Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 September 26



Template:Join AWWDCCW

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The result of the discussion was userfy. The ANI outcome has little effect on this TFD. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 02:36, 7 October 2016 (UTC) Some invitation for a private hobby The Banner talk 22:11, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Join AWWDCCW
 * Delete misuse of WP as a private web host. Muffled Pocketed  07:01, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Userfy. It may serve the creator some purpose, but it should not be in template namespace.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   08:12, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Move to userspace - As per  Varun  FEB2003    15:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Userify. Spammy, but harmless and well-intentioned. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:36, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: Currently being discussed at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:11, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I second Tryptofish. It's a good cause but definitely spam. &mdash; BroVic (talk) 12:59, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Kayseri Erciyesspor squad

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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 02:43, 7 October 2016 (UTC) Club does not have any notable players anymore, thus no blue links in the navigation box, after it relegated to 4th tier of Turkish football in summer 2016. Kq-hit (talk) 20:49, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Kayseri Erciyesspor squad
 * delete, we don't need it. Frietjes (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Preoccupations

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The result of the discussion was delete. REFUNDable provided other related pages actually get created. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 02:44, 7 October 2016 (UTC) With articles only for two albums, this navbox is unnecessary at this time as it does not aid in the navigation of the existing related articles. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:15, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Preoccupations
 * delete, we can use standard in-article linking for two albums. Frietjes (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Wikibreak3

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The result of the discussion was delete. All existing transclusions have been subst'd. (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 02:52, 7 October 2016 (UTC) Unnecessary wrapper for Wikibreak, with only five (5) transclusions, which can be substituted. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:23, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikibreak3
 *  Keep  Number of transclusions at the present date should not used as rationale for deletion. There might be a day when there will be no transclusion or a day when hundreds of Wikipedians might want to you it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:17, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * In the extremely highly unlikely circumstance that hundreds of users want to say the same thing on the same day, they can use Wikibreak. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:08, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Fine. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 09:00, 30 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Either a user is on a Wikibreak or they're not, and this template does not indicate if the user using it is currently on one. Therefore, Wikibreak should be used instead. anemone  projectors  15:03, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Tameside Lines Current

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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 02:48, 7 October 2016 (UTC) This has become redundant as this template is much more up to date and complex. Nathan A RF (talk) 16:15, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Tameside Lines Current
 * delete, we don't need it. Frietjes (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


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Template:I retired in the multiverse

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The result of the discussion was Keep (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 05:54, 9 October 2016 (UTC) Used by one editor only. Delete, or move to userspace if still needed. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:07, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I retired in the multiverse
 * I hope I'm not being too bureaucratically minded, but isn't that practically a userbox, and as such excluded from discussion here? Uanfala (talk) 16:25, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes you are; and no it isn't, as I have explained to you previously. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:28, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to explain, but please mind the difference between explaining and asserting. Uanfala (talk) 17:17, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * As I said, I have explained to you previously.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:25, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Bring up at MfD instead per above. Uanfala (talk) 16:39, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ...or keep as a harmless bit of userspace humour. Uanfala (talk) 17:17, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Changing !vote: no need to be so nitpicky given that there is a proper discussion now.. Uanfala (talk) 21:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * move to userspace. Frietjes (talk) 16:51, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Given the current context, this discussion is insensitive. Keep as a harmless bit of userspace humour or move to userspace. --Epipelagic (talk) 19:53, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with Epipelagic. It's harmless, and could be userified . And the one user who has it, is someone with a long contribution history who abruptly stopped editing, and perhaps may be unwell. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:36, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, keep rather than userify, per Ivanvector, below. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:14, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Userfy  Varun FEB2003    15:18, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: I can't help but think that Pigsonthewing nominated the above template due to our minor history with each other, which wasn't exactly fun. As seen here and here, the template was a present given to me by Viriditas. It has nothing to do with my health, and I didn't think of it as something that needs official approval. Do with it what you will. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:10, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the miswording of my comment above. I was referring to Viriditas, and in no way did I intend to imply anything about you. I didn't realize that he had put the template on someone else's page. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:12, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Tryptofish, I see. I did think you were referring to me since I had stopped editing for a few days and there is currently a note on my user page/talk page about my health. I didn't take offense to your comment, though. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 15:02, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm glad that I was able to clear that up. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:50, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Your suspicion is false (in fact, I have no recollection of ever having interacted with you before); and WP:AGF has not been rescinded. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:39, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - entirely harmless. Deletion/userfication/substitution just makes pointless work. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:28, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * , I agree but I can't help observing that this is TfD and most of what what we do here is about fixing things that aren't broken. Uanfala (talk) 21:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - I see no improvement by deleting this.--Mark Miller (talk) 08:01, 7 October 2016 (UTC)


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Template:UWAYOR
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The result of the discussion was Relisted on 2016 October 7 (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 04:08, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Good Morning Britain
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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) P p p e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r y 18:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC) No cast and crew in navboxes per WP:PERFNAV Rob Sinden (talk) 08:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Good Morning Britain
 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:51, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:PERFNAV. anemone  projectors  15:05, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Eggheads (TV series)
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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 03:10, 7 October 2016 (UTC) Cast/crew removed per WP:PERFNAV. Now not enough links to provide useful navigation. Rob Sinden (talk) 08:06, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Eggheads (TV series)
 * DELETE - Not helpful. Links in intro/infobox anyway. Nigej (talk) 09:15, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, not enough links for a navbox. anemone  projectors  15:05, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Militaries of Warsaw Pact Countries
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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 04:08, 7 October 2016 (UTC) This template is transclused into only one page, so it does not fulfill the definition of a template (template should be included into several pages). It should be substituted and then deleted.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  07:57, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Militaries of Warsaw Pact Countries
 * substitute/delete or merge/redirect. Frietjes (talk) 16:54, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


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Template:All Tvvins
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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) P p p e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r y 19:19, 6 October 2016 (UTC) Nav box with only two links. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:24, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * All Tvvins
 * Delete Not enough links....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Uw-drumpfinator
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The result of the discussion was Delete (non-admin closure) Primefac (talk) 06:10, 15 October 2016 (UTC) Way too specific. Could be generalized and moved to {{subst:uw-textreplace}}, as there are other, similiar, browser extensions (including "Cloud to Butt" and various xkcd-inspired ones). KATMAKROFAN (talk) 03:13, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Uw-drumpfinator
 * Delete and add this replacement to Special:AbuseFilter/345 or another edit filter. P p p e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r y 20:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


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Template:Verifiability
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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nom (non-admin closure) P p p e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r y 01:58, 27 September 2016 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Verifiability with Template:Refimprove.
 * Verifiability - 33 transclusions
 * Refimprove - 247,728 transclusions

Basically the same template. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 01:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC) Withdrawn - I have re-added text to the Verifiability template that was removed in 2007 in favor of a copy-pasted "the X of this article is disputed" template. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 00:43, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , these two templates are widely used and have relevance for the way basic policies are applied. Where have you placed notifications about this discussion? Uanfala (talk) 07:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No, they're not. Verifiability has only 33 transclusions. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:25, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've overlooked that. Thanks for pointing this out. Yes, it does seem best to just redirect then. Uanfala (talk) 16:34, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * But these templates have different messages. Requesting that additional references be added is different from indicating a general problem with verifiability, which can be down to other factors instead, like insufficient reliability of the sources used. Uanfala (talk) 16:37, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect Verifiability to Refimprove, without changing the latter. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:25, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't merge: Verifiability indicates that someone thinks content is unverifiable, while Refimprove indicates that there need to be more footnotes. I've used Refimprove in articles that have content that is at least plausible (for instance, measurements of plants that sound about right), but doesn't have enough footnotes. I would not use Verifiability in that situation, because that would imply something more, that the measurements cannot be found in any source. — Eru·tuon 20:49, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Comment It may be better to merge Verifiability to Verify sources. Perhaps by changing the wording to simply indicate that the sources used in the article should be checked? – Allen4names (contributions) 20:52, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * verify sources is basically the same as . KATMAKROFAN (talk) 00:21, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose: these templates do not overlap. In cases where I add references to an unreferenced article, I change Template:Verifiability to Template:Refimprove. However, it might be possible to do a merge with an optional flag that switches from one message to the other. Praemonitus (talk) 21:12, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose These are two different things. Debresser (talk) 21:19, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose per editors Uanfala and Eru·tuon. These templates have two different meanings and applications, and I find it difficult to accept that either of these has less than several hundreds or even thousands of transclusions.  Has someone cleaned out Verifiability's WLH list?  Yes, it seems they have, for now there are only three mainspace transclusions rather than the 33 Andy mentioned.  That arduous task should be reversed immediately.   Paine   u/ c  21:20, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
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 * Note Verifiability was indeed orphaned during the course of this discussion . Uanfala (talk) 12:00, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Template:KTZ style
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The result of the discussion was relist to 7 Oct. Primefac (talk) 04:05, 7 October 2016 (UTC) another template with no other function than adding styles, bars and colours to templates <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 01:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * KTZ style
 * Keep There are such templates, which shows that styling in this was is used frequently. If you want to change that, nominate all 600 of them in one nomination.  P p p e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r y 19:40, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relist to 7 Oct. Primefac (talk) 04:05, 7 October 2016 (UTC) Template with no other function than adding unwanted styles to templates <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 01:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * RR style
 * Keep per my comment on the above tfd. P p p e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r y 19:40, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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