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Template:FIS Speed Skiing World Cup seasons

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused and almost all redlinks Frietjes (talk) 23:11, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * FIS Speed Skiing World Cup seasons
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Template:FIFA World Cup Country record

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused and out-of-date Frietjes (talk) 23:11, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:FIFA Beach Soccer World Cup Finals

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused and redundant to navigation found in Template:FIFA Beach Soccer World Cup Frietjes (talk) 23:10, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * FIFA Beach Soccer World Cup Finals
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Template:FFCOTF article

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC) old and unused (could be moved to a subpage of Final Fantasy Collaboration of the Fortnight if it's important to keep it) Frietjes (talk) 23:09, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:FC Ripensia Timișoara squad

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:55, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused and out-of-date Frietjes (talk) 23:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * FC Ripensia Timișoara squad
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Template:FC Oleksandriya
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:55, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused and not needed (has the wrong prefix for the fb template system) Frietjes (talk) 23:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * FC Oleksandriya
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Template:FC DAC 1904 Dunajská Streda
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:55, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused and out-of-date Frietjes (talk) 23:07, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * FC DAC 1904 Dunajská Streda
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Template:FC Arsenal-2 Tula squad
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:55, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused and blanked by primary contibutor Frietjes (talk) 23:05, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:F1 rejects original drivers
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:55, 22 December 2017 (UTC) all redlinks Frietjes (talk) 23:04, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:EventDecadesInCenturyCat
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:55, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused Frietjes (talk) 23:02, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * EventDecadesInCenturyCat
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Template:EuropeLargestCities
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:55, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused, no parent article Frietjes (talk) 23:01, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Europe Pacific Rugby Trophy
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:56, 22 December 2017 (UTC) all red links Frietjes (talk) 23:00, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Ethiopia squad 2012 African Women's Championship
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 December 22. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:56, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ethiopia_squad_2012_African_Women's_Championship
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Template:English vowel development, foreign sources
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:56, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused; should be added to an article or deleted Frietjes (talk) 22:57, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:England national man football team results
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:56, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused and redundant to navigation provided within England national football team Frietjes (talk) 22:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Endurance/out
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:56, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused subtemplate after refactoring of the parent template (and changes to convert) Frietjes (talk) 22:53, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Endurance/out
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Template:Encode
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:56, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused, replaced by more specific date parser functions and templates Frietjes (talk) 22:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Encode (and the subtemplates)
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Template:Election box unrecorded
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:56, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused, most likely replaced by other more general election box templates Frietjes (talk) 22:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Election box unrecorded
 * Election box turnout unopposed no change
 * Election box turnout no party no change with delegates
 * Election box supplementary hold
 * Election box supplementary hold win
 * Election box ranked choice no change
 * Election box inline incumbent no party link
 * Election box not gain with party link
 * Election box ranked choice eligible no change
 * Election box ranked choice exhausted no change
 * Election box incumbent
 * Election box hold with party link with swing
 * Election box gain with party link with swing
 * Election box gain from new with party link
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 * Election box begin FPTP multimember
 * Election box all independent candidate
 * Election box US hold with party link
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Template:Eidi-century-range
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:57, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused, so presumably not needed for any of the other Eidi templates Frietjes (talk) 22:36, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Eidi-century-range
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Template:Education noticeboard navbox
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:57, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused, archives are using archives instead. Frietjes (talk) 22:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC) Frietjes (talk) 22:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Education noticeboard navbox
 * Education noticeboard navbox all
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Template:Mainstream R&B/Hip-Hop
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:57, 22 December 2017 (UTC) unused Frietjes (talk) 22:25, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Mainstream R&B/Hip-Hop
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Template:Apple Specialists
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The result of the discussion was delete per author approval Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:27, 15 December 2017 (UTC) As template creator. Apple recently has established a new category, eliminating calling this sort of retailer "specialist." My intention was to find these specialists across the country and write about notable ones. This didn't work out... BusterD (talk) 19:36, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Apple Specialists
 * you could probably have this speedy deleted using db-author. as far as I can tell you are the only substantial contributor to the template. Frietjes (talk) 20:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - It's redundant to Category:Apple Specialists. I added a list of notable ones to the article's contents.  <span style="color:#1018ff;font-family:Zapfino,Monotype Corsiva;"> Warren -talk- 20:46, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox algiz
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The result of the discussion was merge with the article and keep article-space redirects to preserve the edit history Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:00, 22 December 2017 (UTC) single-use infoboxes which can be merged with the parent articles (now that I have migrated them to use infobox rune). Frietjes (talk) 18:20, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Infobox algiz (and the rest of the infoboxes in Category:Rune infoboxes)
 * please do not delete, but if necessary turn into redirect, in order to preserve edit history! --dab (𒁳) 22:10, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Warped Tour
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:57, 22 December 2017 (UTC) Not enough active links to warrant a navbox. -- wooden superman  16:49, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Warped Tour
 * Delete - This template is full of red links. Nav templates are for navigating between Wikipedia articles that already exist -- otherwise, it's not really a nav template, is it? <span style="color:#1018ff;font-family:Zapfino,Monotype Corsiva;"> Warren -talk- 20:40, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete – The articles used to exist, but were deleted after several WP:PRODs and a discussion at Articles for deletion/Warped Tour 2002 Tour Compilation (2nd nomination). The desire to delete this template was also discussed in that deletion discussion (without objection). —BarrelProof (talk) 23:49, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Ahnentafel bottom
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The result of the discussion was keep mostly due to the lack of working merged template example. If you would still like to see the templates merged, please feel free to create a working example demonstrating the merger and restart the discussion. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:04, 22 December 2017 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Ahnentafel bottom with Template:Ahnentafel-compact5.
 * Ahnentafel top
 * Ahnentafel-compact4
 * Ahnentafel-compact5
 * Ahnentafel-compact6
 * Ahnentafel bottom

Suggest merging all preexisting templates in Category:Ahnentafel formatting templates into Template:Ahnentafel-compact5 (please note that the ones listed in the category but not here below were locked for unknown reasons). The final template would then be called perhaps simply Template:Ahnentafel. Reasons for this merge is that it should be possibly to merge with code into one single, unified template. This template would then possibly contain different amount of places - ergo generations - as is already the case, only that this could be indicated and visually exemplified in the template documentation in a more suitable way. This solution of one merged template would make only one such be the subject of discussion of style - arguably the preexisting one - which would then make biographical articles more consistent, and the template use more easy for Wikipedians to apply. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:20, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * comment How do you suggest to make the new template easy-to-use? It sounds like you want one template. It seems quite easy to use e.g. Ahnentafel-compact4 and Ahnentafel-compact4. Christian75 (talk) 12:11, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Merging all of the template nominations together due to a) no comments on the other nominations, and b) they all said "see above"

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:16, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep (do not merge) - It's easy enough to use the different templates. This is not a system that needs to be fixed. Also, no working template (with working example) has been proposed to replace these templates. -  t u coxn \talk 14:46, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep but feel free to create the single template and re-propose merging. I don't think we should agree to delete the current ones until the new one is ready and testable. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:54, 14 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Question If all of these templates are going to be deleted, then who will be in charge of going through each page and reinstating the preferred template with all of the correct information.--MorrisIV (talk) 01:57, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Don't fix it if it ain't broken. SpartaN (talk) 04:19, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep unless you can create a robot that will convert all existing pages using this. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 03:24, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Besides which, what happens to the table I am working on right now? --Michael Goodyear (talk) 21:16, 19 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per Tucoxn, SpartaN and others who actually use these templates and understand how they work. —Мандичка YO 😜 10:38, 17 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep because seriously, don't we have bigger problems? This is very easy to use and economical, and I get a great deal of information from these charts.  Please find something else to do besides gripe about things that are working just fine. Iamvered (talk) 19:22, 17 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep compact6 reaches to also hyperlink in two jumps to third cousins, which reasearch has shown to usually have healthier than average children. Also many military alliances and long-standing dynastic disputes in medieval age were based on relationships where the compact6 ahnentafel is useful.68.40.122.133 (talk) 05:43, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Merge. While this is clearly going to fail through lack of consensus, I'd strongly recommend creating the merged template as a proof-of-concept, as Bermicourt suggested. Given the numbering is consistent in Ahnentafeln, it shouldn't be too difficult to render generations conditionally. Once the template exists and can be shown with examples of different numbers of generations (and examples of more-unusual states, with only 1 or 2 members of a generation are populated for example, such as 20 and 21 but noone else from 16 onwards), then the argument might be more persuasive. — OwenBlacker (talk) 21:57, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep it is easy to understand and navigate and quite useful as a jumping off point for further research. Royalty2012 (talk) 22:50, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep The templates have been working just fine for years and are found on (I would guess) hundreds if not thousands of articles that would be disrupted if one little line of code went wrong in some "new and improved" template. So please - Don't screw with a good thing!  Leave it alone and go work on something that really, truly needs fixing.  Textorus (talk) 10:54, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Honestly isn't a big problem. Why can't we keep it? It really doesn't matter, so let's not inconvenience users who've already got those pages bookmarked.--- Anonymous Nyan Cat(talk)
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Template:Kim Hee-chul
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:58, 22 December 2017 (UTC) These templates are duplicates of each other. The inclusion of the subject's filmography violates WP:FILMNAV. This leaves the discography and publications sections; none of the topics have articles, so there is nothing to link. This leaves little to navigate, and is ultimately useless. ℯ xplicit  06:09, 6 December 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Kim Hee-chul
 * Kim Heechul

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:15, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete both of them. Sawol (talk) 04:26, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete both of them, obviously. An alternative may be to delete one, and make the other one useful, but I don't know how difficult that'll be. It's probably best to delete both. Anonymous Nyan Cat (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete both per nom. -- wooden  superman  14:30, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
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Template:CC BY-ND 2.5 IN
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Template:Hungama TV Original Series
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 04:01, 22 December 2017 (UTC) Unnecessary, not all shows are Hungama original programming and all aired shows can be found in Wikipedia article "List of programs broadcast by Hungama TV" User 261115 (talk) 13:51, 2 December 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. This should probably be trimmed of non-original content first, so we can see what is left.  -- wooden  superman  16:43, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. As far as I can make out, the only original content is Hero - Bhakti Hi Shakti Hai.  It's the only article that the navbox is transcluded on in any case, so provides negligible navigation.  -- wooden  superman  16:45, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
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