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Template:Cupcakes & Conversation

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:26, 13 July 2017 (UTC) I'm proposing this template for deletion as well, for substantially the same reason as Ballet News, below. It's a single-purpose citation template with no use other than for a subset of articles from the "Cupcakes & Conversation" section of the Ballet News website. Used in eight articles, easily replaced by cite web or cite news. (It appears to be more of a blog than a news site.) TJRC (talk) 23:57, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Cupcakes & Conversation
 * add'l comment by nom; I just noticed that the template has been a veneer over cite web since 2012, anyway. There's really no good reason not to just directly use the cite template.
 * Comment: There are 8 transcluded uses in articles. If deleted, the redirect Template:Cupcakes_and_Conversation also should be.  — Paleo  Neonate  - 05:18, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete — No longer used in article space. — Paleo  Neonate  - 05:12, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Ballet News

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:26, 13 July 2017 (UTC) This is a special-purpose template usable for citing only one web site, Ballet News. There's nothing special about the site, or the cite, to require a one-off template; it would be better to use cite news (or (cite web or another standardized citation template); see, e.g. here. It's only used in about 20 articles, which could easily be revised to use a standardized citation form. (I volunteer to make those edits.) TJRC (talk) 23:48, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ballet News
 * add'l comment by nom; I just noticed that the template has been a veneer cite web since 2011, anyway. There's really no good reason not to just directly use the cite template.
 * Comment — There are ~20 tranclusions of this in articles. I'm not sure if a special template should be used for this site.  Some uses are in external links, which may be questionable.  If deleting, the Template:Ballet_NEWS redirect also should be.  — Paleo  Neonate  - 05:15, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment; I am gradually remediating the transclusions of this template and of Template:Cupcakes & Conversation (TFD above), to use the underlying cite web instead. I'm only doing a handful a day. In case there are objections to the edits, I don't want to make reverting a chore. TJRC (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: For the uses in the external links section, it is probably better to replace the cite template [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amy_Harris_(dancer)&diff=prev&oldid=789532087 thus], as PaleoNeonate has mentioned. --Mirokado (talk) 23:00, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete — No longer used in article space. — Paleo  Neonate  - 05:30, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:27, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, unlikely that an article will have Klingon in it Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:37, 28 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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 * Delete — Unused in main space and implausible use. — Paleo  Neonate  - 16:40, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete but can be restored if you want to use it Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:28, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, unclear purpose Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:37, 28 June 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * TimedText talk header
 * This was meant to be a header template for the TimedText talk pages as they aren't very clear on their purpose and how-to use, but it wasn't put in use (yet). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

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Template:N-VR
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 July 13. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:29, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Kyūshū Collegiate American Football Association navbox
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 July 13. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:45, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Southeast Kentucky TV
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:29, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, not a clearly defined region. See also Articles for deletion/Central Kentucky Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:13, 27 June 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Southeast Kentucky TV
 * keep if Southeast Kentucky is kept, and delete if Southeast Kentucky is deleted. Frietjes (talk) 21:31, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Template:Spam5i
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 July 13. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:29, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Timeline of Jagadguru Rambhadracharya's Works
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:29, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused and generally duplicates Timeline of Rambhadracharya Frietjes (talk) 22:07, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Timeline of Jagadguru Rambhadracharya
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:29, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused and generally duplicates Timeline of Rambhadracharya Frietjes (talk) 22:07, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Timeline WTA Tour Championships winners
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused, and duplicates information found in WTA_Finals Frietjes (talk) 22:05, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Timeline rulers of Monaco
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused. I suppose it could be used in List of rulers of Monaco, but it's not clear if it's needed there. Frietjes (talk) 22:04, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Timeline of wars involving Israel
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused, I suppose it could be used in List of wars involving Israel, but it's not clear if it would be a useful addition. Frietjes (talk) 22:03, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Timeline Electrocution second period
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused, no parent article Frietjes (talk) 22:01, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:RER/background color
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused Frietjes (talk) 21:47, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Railjet article
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused. The main article has File:Karte_Railjet-Strecken.png which does a pretty good job showing the route. Frietjes (talk) 21:46, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Rail transport in Punjab, Pakistan
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused and violates WP:TEMPLATECAT Frietjes (talk) 21:43, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Rail line one to five
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:31, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused and looks like a broken copy of rail line one to four, which is probably why it's not being used. for an example of how to do one-to-five or five-to-one, see Beeston_railway_station. Frietjes (talk) 21:41, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:OTCBB
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:34, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Because the OTC Bulletin Board is nearly defunct, this template is unused in the article space and unlikely to be correctly used going forward. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:23, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:34, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, redundant to   F ASTILY   20:38, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:San Francisco State Gators football navbox
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The result of the discussion was keep, more articles were written. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:56, 8 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, all redlinks Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:32, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * San Francisco State Gators football navbox


 * I am very shortly going to use this navbox during the creation of numerous articles on their football team (yearly articles). Will start these in a couple of weeks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.194.55.187 (talk) 04:12, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 18:27, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose deletion. 1961 San Francisco State Gators football team has been created and I believe that User:Ocfootballknut plans to stub out more season articles.   can you confirm? Jweiss11 (talk) 22:52, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep for now, since it seems there is some effort to create the articles. CapitalSasha ~ talk 16:18, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, started yesterday and all 49 yearly links will be live before I'm done. When I responded before (on the 28th of June) I was on vacation and didn't login to Wikipedia on the device I was using.Ocfootballknut (talk)
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Template:Catalan name
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The result of the discussion was oppose per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:11, 8 July 2017 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Catalan name with Template:Spanish name.
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Merge or redirect to generalize the naming convention as a whole; this has been a huge problem with several IPs replacing the former template with the latter on several articles. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 16:54, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Although Catalan names are very similar to Spanish names, they have slightly different conventions. Merging these two templates would imply an equivalence where none exists. If people are replacing the Catalan names template with the Spanish names one because of some argument that Catalonia isn't a country, you should explain to them that these templates exist not to indicate differences between customs of sovereign states but of cultures and ethnicities. – PeeJay 17:08, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Essentially, a case of WP:BIAS? jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 17:09, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Bias against the Catalan culture, yes. – PeeJay 18:23, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose per and others. This is an international naming dispute that has echoes in resentments on the one side and linguistic domination and politicial repression on the other going back centuries; Wikipedia should not get involved in this.  When someone has a name like Pere Joan Sala that is not a Spanish name, that is a Catalan name.  The fact that you can translate it into Spanish, or French (or even English, for that matter) is irrelevant. The name is Catalan, it follows Catalan naming conventions.  Furthermore, in some future Wikipedia these templates may become 'smarter' about naming patterns including cleverly handling names with particles like 'y' (Spanish; e.g. José Ortega y Gasset) or 'i' (Catalan; e.g., Montserrat Abelló i Soler).  If you want to avoid having two of these templates, then unify them under some name that doesn't incite an international dispute, such as Template:Double surname.  To me, that would have the slight advantage of being able to use it beyond Iberia, and could be placed on the articles for Coretta Scott King and articles for various British aristocrats (just add param   with values   (for patrilineal surname first) and   (matrilineal) and it can be used universally), but has the disadvantage of being a hodgepodge of different traditions, so why unify them?  See also Double-barrelled name. Next stop: the Balkans, and we can tell them Croatian is just part of Serbian, so they'll have to use Serbian templates now. (not!).  Wikipedia shouldn't get anywhere near this kind of dispute.  Mathglot (talk) 20:13, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose - There are many naming cultures that are similar to Spanish naming that are not merged. If we were to merge these, then why not also merge Filipino names as they have the same gist. Snood1205 (talk) 23:02, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I checked. Filipino doesn't have a template. I think they use the Spanish convention, if I'm not mistaken. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you are mistaken. Mathglot (talk) 06:51, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Template created. Scratch that. I didn't realize a template already exists for the naming convention. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 23:33, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 July 13. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:34, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:32, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused Frietjes (talk) 15:49, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete — Indeed unused, also incomplete and has not been edited in months. — Paleo  Neonate  - 17:11, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:48, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused Frietjes (talk) 15:48, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:48, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused and navigation generally duplicates navigation found in Template:International volleyball Frietjes (talk) 15:46, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:2011 College Cup
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:48, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused Frietjes (talk) 15:41, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * 2011 College Cup
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Template:College Cup 2010–2019 navbox
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The result of the discussion was keep now that it's being used. Feel free to renominate it if there is a different reason why you feel it should be deleted.. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 12:35, 15 July 2017 (UTC) unused Frietjes (talk) 15:41, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * College Cup 2010–2019 navbox
 * Keep - Went ahead and linked the template to the appropriate articles, which is about a dozen or so applicable articles. Quidster4040 (talk) 16:11, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep given the above. CapitalSasha ~ talk 16:20, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:2009–10 Men's Division I (NTHL) standings
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:32, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused and all red links Frietjes (talk) 15:31, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:1996 BFL Division I standings
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:45, 13 July 2017 (UTC) unused and empty Frietjes (talk) 15:28, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * 1996 BFL Division I standings
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Template:Conceptions of God
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:39, 13 July 2017 (UTC) The template is redundant to Template:God. All of the links in the template are already included in the "Specific conceptions" section of Template:God. 142.160.131.202 (talk) 01:34, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Conceptions of God
 * Comment — It is still being used by a few articles (Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Conceptions_of_God). Replacing those instances would work, although I noticed that the main visible part of Conceptions of God are invisible by default in God.  I don't personally like such templates which don't show anything and where multiple clicks are needed to reach the same information.  I admit that the God template is more complete, however.  — Paleo  Neonate  - 05:14, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Update: Although it is not the default, is mostly equivalent to Conceptions of God.  I have also substituted the few remaining uses in main and draft space.  — Paleo  Neonate  - 17:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Additional comment: if deleted, the redirect Template:ConceptionsofGod also should be. Thanks, — Paleo  Neonate  - 17:34, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete — Now also orphan. — Paleo  Neonate  - 17:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:42, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Redundant with the serious-example images, a template is not necessary here. – Train2104 (t • c) 01:30, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Imgbox
 * Delete — Orphan, useless. — Paleo  Neonate  - 17:36, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:43, 13 July 2017 (UTC) Redundant with Userspace draft – Train2104 (t • c) 01:29, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Workinp
 * Delete — Orphan, redundant. — Paleo  Neonate  - 17:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
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