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Template:2005 CBA Divisional Championships

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:07, 1 July 2017 (UTC) unused and duplicates 2004–05 CBA season and 2004–05 CBA season Frietjes (talk) 21:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 2005 CBA Divisional Championships
 * 2005_CBA_Playoffs
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Template:1995–96 CBA standings

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:07, 1 July 2017 (UTC) unused and duplicates 1995–96 CBA season and 1996–97 CBA season. Frietjes (talk) 21:04, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 1995–96 CBA standings
 * 1996–97 CBA standings
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Template:1996 CBA Relegations

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:07, 1 July 2017 (UTC) unused and duplicates 1995–96 CBA season, 1996–97 CBA_season, 2002–03 CBA season, 2002–03 CBA season Frietjes (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 1996 CBA Relegations
 * 1997 CBA Relegations
 * 2003 CBA Relegations
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Template:1968–69 Football League Second Division table

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:07, 1 July 2017 (UTC) unused and duplicates 1968–69 Football League Frietjes (talk) 20:44, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 1968–69 Football League Second Division table
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Template:Philippine History Timeline

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused timeline Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:06, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Philippine History Timeline
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Template:Philippine Government
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, sprawling, poorly formatted Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:06, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Philippine Government
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Template:Philadelphia Stock Exchange
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:53, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, no proof that this is a site worth linking to Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:06, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Philadelphia Stock Exchange
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Template:PhiCOTW
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:53, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Collaboration in question is long defunct, these templates are no longer needed Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * PhiCOTW
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Template:Phanerozoic 200px
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:53, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:04, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Phanerozoic 200px
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Template:Pepperdine Waves bowl game navbox
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:53, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, only one link Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:43, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Pepperdine Waves bowl game navbox
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Template:Peak resource production
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The result of the discussion was delete (appears to have been replaced by Template:Natural resources) Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:54, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Patriarchy (ethnography)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:54, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, blatant misuse of template space Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Patriarchy (ethnography)
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Template:Past Presidents of Zambia
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:55, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, just transcludes a few pictures Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:17, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Parrillas One squad
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The result of the discussion was delete. See also Parrillas One Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:57, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, mostly redlinks Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Parishes of Montserrat
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:57, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, fails WP:NENAN Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Panasonic video cameras
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:57, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, mostly redlinks and TBDs Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:PaliPN
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused attribution template Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:59, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:POV:KS
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused fork of POV Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:A.R. Kane
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The result of the discussion was keep. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC) WP:NENAN, links only 3 articles Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * A.R. Kane
 * Keep - previously listed with no consensus. The navbox is fine. GiantSnowman 08:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
 * keep, seems fine, and nothing has changed since the last several times it was nominated for deletion. Frietjes (talk) 21:26, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - few entries, yet it fulfills the the requirements for a "stand-alone" navbox. Drdpw (talk) 15:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Outline City+
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  21:09, 23 June 2017 (UTC) Unused outline template. We can format articles much better than this now. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:44, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Outline City+


 * As creator, I request that the page be deleted. The Transhumanist 17:15, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:2012 AFC Cup Group A
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC) unused and duplicates 2012 AFC Cup group stage, 2012 AFC Cup group stage, 2012 AFC Cup group stage, 2012 AFC Cup group stage Frietjes (talk) 15:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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 * 2012 AFC Cup Group B
 * 2012 AFC Cup Group C
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Template:2012 Wellington Sevens Pool A
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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 18:39, 24 June 2017 (UTC) unused, incomplete, and if it were complete it would duplicate 2012 Wellington Sevens Frietjes (talk) 15:45, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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 * 2012 Wellington Sevens Pool B
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Template:2013-2014 EuropeanNationsCup Division 2A
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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 18:39, 24 June 2017 (UTC) unused, empty, and would duplicate content found in 2012–14 European Nations Cup Second Division Frietjes (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:2012-2014 EuropeanNationsCup Division 1A
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC) unused and duplicates content found in 2012–14 European Nations Cup First Division Frietjes (talk) 14:28, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 2012-2014 EuropeanNationsCup Division 1A
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Template:2013-2014 ENC Div1B Games
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC) unused and duplicates content found in the main article Frietjes (talk) 14:26, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 2013-2014 ENC Div1B Games
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Template:2012-2013 EuropeanNationsCup Division 2D
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC) unused and duplicates content found in this section of the main article Frietjes (talk) 14:23, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 2012-2013 EuropeanNationsCup Division 2D
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Template:Commercial policy
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC) unused fork of Template:World trade Frietjes (talk) 14:04, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Notability editnotice
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 July 1. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Nosourceimage
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused and ancient warning template, we have better ones now Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:48, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Nosource-warn
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:59, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused warning from 2005, we have better ones now Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:47, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Norwegian nobility
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:59, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:38, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Norfolk Spartans roster
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:59, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, contains no links Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:23, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Noleander shortened
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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 18:39, 24 June 2017 (UTC) Unused, links to a long since abandoned case from 2011. No longer needed. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Noleander shortened
 * Delete: per nom (and creator: me!). Cheers, &Lambda; u α  (Operibus anteire) 16:26, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Ngee Ann Polytecnic
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The result of the discussion was move to User:UBX/Ngee Ann Polytecnic Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:01, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Has been around since 2007 but has never been used Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:10, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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 * move to userspace, and/or discuss at WP:MFD per instructions at the top of WP:TFD. Frietjes (talk) 21:37, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:07, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, fails WP:EXISTING and WP:NENAN Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:09, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, contains no links Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:03, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, only one link Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 06:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 July 1. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, just transcludes a hatnote and a commons link, neither of which requires its own template Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 06:07, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused infobox Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 06:06, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 06:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, overly massive Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:58, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 July 1. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:10, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, says "This template is not to be used until all legal issues are resolved." but then points to mostly defunct or redlinked pages, so it's clear that this is no longer an issue. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Template:US Presidential Administrations
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The result of the discussion was merge. Primefac (talk) 21:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Propose merging Template:US Presidential Administrations with Template:US Presidents.
 * US Presidential Administrations
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Should we merge the navboxes on U.S. presidents and presidencies according to Draft:US Presidents navbox?

A merge of those largely-overlapping templates has been discussed several times, but no consensus was found on how the merge product should look. When closing the previous merge discussion, it was suggested to hold a debate on the proposed design of the merged template, and then re-nominate when a "final product" is agreed. The new draft design has now been refined and endorsed by RfC, so it's time to re-nominate. — JFG talk 07:30, 13 June 2017 (UTC) — JFG talk 07:30, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak support since even though I concocted the adopted proposal, I'd much prefer Proposal D.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 11:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Design choices have been settled in the RfC; this discussion must focus on deciding whether the merge improves the encyclopedia for the benefit of readers. — JFG talk 23:19, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Conditional Support Although my only reservation is with the inclusion of the U.S. Coat of Arms in addition to the Seal of the President. I think just the seal is necessary.--Jacob51515 (talk) 01:04, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Following two requests, I have now removed the Coat of Arms from the draft. — JFG talk 23:06, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comments I agree that the CoA needs to be removed from the proposed design. I disagree that these two existing templates are "largely-overlapping", as one navigates between biographical articles about the men who served as POTUS, and the other navigates between U.S. presidential administrations. Also, in addition to there being "no consensus" in previous discussions concerning "how the merge product should look", there was no consensus as to whether or not the merge should happen at all. I myself am not totally convinced that it should. Drdpw (talk) 02:55, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The combined navbox allows easy navigation among the presidents and their administrations; this is more useful to readers; a glance at template histories shows that there was a single navbox for years, and they were split off relatively recently. I suspect that the split versions were the result of unsatisfactory design or layout; an issue now addressed. — JFG talk 23:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No, that was not the case. The need/justification for a separate "administrations" navbox only came about 8/10 months ago when several new presidential administration articles were developed (only 17 existed at this time last year) and after several editors reached a consensus last December that there should be separate "personal-biographical" and "administration" navboxes (see here). Drdpw (talk) 02:22, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Usage note: On each president's page, both navboxes are listed, so the overlap is plainly demonstrated. In addition, the templates are often drowned in the middle of a dozen other navboxes for various topics related to the individual's prior career or his roles in international bodies. If the templates are merged, I would advocate displaying that navbox prominently above the collapsed list of "lesser" navboxes. So a typical president's bottom of the page would have his personal navbox and the navbox about all the presidents, then a collapsed list of the other relevant navboxes. — JFG talk 23:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * , I took a look and did not find what you state above. I found no instances where a "US Presidents" navbox was on a president's admin-article page, and found only one instance where a "US Presidential Administrations" navbox was on a president's bio-article page (and I removed it). The two templates are placed on appropriate pages and fulfilling their functions well, as is the "United States presidential inaugurations" navbox, which I took a look at as well, as it's interconnected with the 2 under discussion here (and also with no overlap). BTW, I concur with you that there are too many navboxes crammed into the "Articles related to ..." shell on the presidents' bio-article pages; however, as the administrations navbox is not among them, that's really a separate issue to be discussed elsewhere. Drdpw (talk) 02:22, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * OK,my bad, I must have drowned myself in all those navboxes… thanks for reviewing the articles. I still believe a merged template is more useful to readers than separate ones. — JFG talk 03:09, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

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 * Oppose: Nice design, but I see no compelling reason to merge two well-functioning, clear and concise navboxes, one that navigates between presidential administration articles and another that navigates between president bio articles. Further, merging these two templates runs counter to the guidance provided at WP:Navigation template, which encourages developing smaller templates on sub-topics when the broader topic is large. Navboxes should be simple and succinct, which the proposed merged navbox is not. Drdpw (talk) 01:36, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * support merge per the related RfC. the proposed merged template is compact, easy to navigate, and provides superior navigation when compared to two separate navboxes. Frietjes (talk) 14:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 July 1. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:10, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:10, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Unused, replaceable by   F ASTILY   23:32, 15 June 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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