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Template:US executive actions introduction

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  08:06, 19 March 2017 (UTC) This is meant to be a transcluded lead section of articles about the executive orders issued by various presidents. Transcluding prose appears to be discouraged, and leads, of all things, should definitely not be boilerplate. &mdash; Train2104 (t • c) 02:53, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
 * US executive actions introduction
 * Keep Speedy Delete. Original justification for prose transclusion stands: The pages involved were already headed by boilerplate prior to me creating this template.
 * Each article that uses this template is conceptually identical in concept: they are each a list of executive decisions (currently, those by Donald Trump, Barack Obama and George W. Bush, with applicability likely to be extended to other presidents as the series of lists continues to be overhauled). As a result, they all had essentially the same lead. In the process of editing the heading for one of the lists, I realized the same edits would be applicable to the other lists, so moving the already-identical text to a common file seemed like an obvious idea that would simplify the work of future editors, which would in turn improve the experience for future readers.
 * ...but as discussed below, a template is the wrong tool: The idea for doing this as a template came from seeing a similar idea in play in other series of articles. The specific example that had been in my head was the header template for articles related to calendar years (such as 1968, as a random example): Year article header.
 * I read the referenced 2005 discussion on transcluding prose, and it doesn't look like anything like a consensus on a policy or guideline was ever reached.--NapoliRoma (talk) 08:50, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * LST-ify P p p er y 00:44, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment/question: This certainly looks doable, and the content of this help page implies that transcluding prose is not unheard of.
 * Maybe I'm misreading the concern here: is it that content should be in mainspace, not template namespace? That was not at all clear to me from the kickoff to this discussion. If that's the primary concern, than switching from a template to LST makes sense.
 * Otherwise, it seems like either approach has about the same advantages and disadvantages.--NapoliRoma (talk) 22:39, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Read the first sentence of the first bullet point of WP:TMPG, which says Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content. P p p er y 23:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a very direct applicable guideline -- thanks! I will convert to LST.--NapoliRoma (talk) 00:49, 11 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. Each Executive actions page for each president should be the same except the last line in the lead section. I noticed that each executive action/order page for presidents has very little if no citations at all. I am in the middle of over hauling List of executive actions by George W. Bush so that it will have the correct information. I have kept up the List of executive actions by Donald Trump with all items signed by him with citations. - Kiraroshi1976 (talk) 04:14, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

I've changed the articles per the above discussion (specifically, they now use section transclusion per WP:LST); the template is no longer in use and can be deleted.--NapoliRoma (talk) 01:01, 11 March 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:13, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment. I'm not sure why this has been relisted.  I created the template; someone above pointed out why I should have used another method to achieve my intended result; I've done so, and deleted it from all articles; it's no longer being used, and is extremely unlikely to ever be used again.  Shouldn't it just be nuked?--NapoliRoma (talk) 22:43, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Bemani series

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:12, 28 March 2017 (UTC) All contents of this template have been replaced by the navigational boxes Konami franchises and Konami Holdings Corporation. All links to the Bemani template have been removed on the respective articles. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 08:11, 9 March 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Bemani series

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 * Delete -- serves no purpose. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:26, 19 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Footlights presidents

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:12, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Too many unlinked entries for this to be a useful navigation tool. Best left to list and category navigation. Rob Sinden (talk) 16:47, 9 March 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Footlights presidents

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 * Delete -- the list of presidents is already provided in the main article Footlights and the template is excessive / not needed, plus the non-article issue. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:28, 19 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the 82nd ID
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation. After the red links have been removed and articles on nn subjects redirected to alphabetical lists, only two blue-linked articles remain; pls see prior version.
 * Knight's Cross recipients of the 82nd ID

Per the recent discussion (Redirect proposal for Knight's Cross winners), it's highly unlikely that the removed subjects would be considered notable in the future and the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:39, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the 94th ID
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation. After the red links have been removed and articles on nn subjects redirected to alphabetical lists, only two blue-linked articles remain; pls see prior version.
 * Knight's Cross recipients of the 94th ID

Per the recent discussion (Redirect proposal for Knight's Cross winners), it's highly unlikely that the removed subjects would be considered notable in the future and the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:26, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the 96th ID
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation. After the red links have been removed and articles on nn subjects redirected to alphabetical lists, only one blue-linked article remains; pls see prior version. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:06, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Knight's Cross recipients of the 96th ID


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Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the 98th ID
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation. After the red links have been removed and articles on nn subjects redirected to alphabetical lists, only two blue-linked articles remain; pls see prior version.
 * Knight's Cross recipients of the 98th ID

Per the recent discussion (Redirect proposal for Knight's Cross winners), it's highly unlikely that the removed subjects would be considered notable in the future and the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the 100th JD
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation. After the red links have been removed and articles on nn subjects redirected to alphabetical lists, only two blue-linked articles remain; pls see prior version.
 * Knight's Cross recipients of the 100th JD

Per the recent discussion (Redirect proposal for Knight's Cross winners), it's highly unlikely that the removed subjects would be considered notable in the future and the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:02, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the 102nd ID
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation. After the red links have been removed and articles on nn subjects redirected to alphabetical lists, only two blue-linked articles remain; pls see prior version.
 * Knight's Cross recipients of the 102nd ID

Per the recent discussion (Redirect proposal for Knight's Cross winners), it's highly unlikely that the removed subjects would be considered notable in the future and the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:01, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the 116th PD
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation. After the red links have been removed and articles on nn subjects redirected to alphabetical lists, only two blue-linked articles remain; pls see prior version.
 * Knight's Cross recipients of the 116th PD

Per the recent discussion (Redirect proposal for Knight's Cross winners), it's highly unlikely that the removed subjects would be considered notable in the future and the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:59, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the 134th ID
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:26, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation. After the red links have been removed and articles on nn subjects redirected to alphabetical lists, only two blue-linked articles remain; pls see prior version.
 * Knight's Cross recipients of the 134th ID

Per the recent discussion (Redirect proposal for Knight's Cross winners), it's highly unlikely that the removed subjects would be considered notable in the future and the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:57, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Pink Grand Prix: 1991
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:12, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation: only two listings are articles: Kazuhiro Sano & one of the movies. Going by the state of AfDs/PRODs in the related area, the non-link subjects are highly unlikely to be considered notable in the future. Thus the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:55, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Pink Grand Prix: 1991
 * Delete. No more than minimally functional. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 12:42, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Little useful navigation with only two relevant blue links (with on linked multiple times). • Gene93k (talk) 22:51, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the HPBs
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:17, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation. After the red links have been removed and articles on nn subjects redirected to alphabetical lists, only two actual articles remain (one of the links listed is a redirect); pls see prior version.
 * Knight's Cross recipients of the HPBs

Per the recent discussion (Redirect proposal for Knight's Cross winners), it's highly unlikely that the removed subjects would be considered notable in the future and the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:53, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the 294th ID
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:12, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation. After the red links have been removed and articles on nn subjects redirected to alphabetical lists, only one article remains; pls see prior version.
 * Knight's Cross recipients of the 294th ID

Per the recent discussion (Redirect proposal for Knight's Cross winners), it's highly unlikely that the removed subjects would be considered notable in the future. Thus the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:50, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete as insufficient use being made of the template, Better off deleted. – Davey 2010 Talk 17:22, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Knight's Cross recipients of TPA
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:12, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation. After the red links have been removed and articles on nn subjects redirected to alphabetical lists, only two blue-linked articles remain; pls see prior version.
 * Knight's Cross recipients of TPA

Per the recent discussion (Redirect proposal for Knight's Cross winners), it's highly unlikely that the removed subjects would be considered notable in the future and the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:45, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as insufficient use being made of the template, Better off deleted. – Davey 2010 Talk 17:23, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Pink Grand Prix: 1990
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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:13, 28 March 2017 (UTC) Insufficient navigation -- only two blue linked entries, after non-links and red-links have been removed prior version. Going by AfDs/PRODs in the related area, these removed entries are unlikely to be deemed notable in the future, and the template is not needed. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:28, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Pink Grand Prix: 1990
 * Delete as insufficient use being made of the template, Better off deleted. – Davey 2010 Talk 17:23, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. No more than minimally functional. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 12:42, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. With all but two relevant links deleted, this template is now useless. • Gene93k (talk) 23:10, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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