Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 May 5



Template:Neilgorsuchopinions

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:16, 13 May 2017 (UTC) The years are red links and the name of the template is confusing. Marvellous Spider-Man  17:33, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Neilgorsuchopinions

Comment: Every other sitting SCOTUS justice has this table, and the format was modeled off of Antonin Scalia's template, which also has plenty of red links. I oppose deletion as he will issue opinions soon. JocularJellyfish (talk) 21:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * delete, navigates nothing. Frietjes (talk) 22:32, 5 May 2017 (UTC)


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User warning templates for unsourced or improperly cited works

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The result of the discussion was do not merge Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:17, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Uw-unsourced1
 * Uw-poorlysourced1
 * Uw-unsourced2
 * Uw-poorlysourced2
 * Uw-unsourced3
 * Uw-poorlysourced3
 * Uw-unsourced4
 * Uw-poorlysourced4

Propose merging: Uw-poorlysourced templates are not (yet) officially part of WikiProject User warnings or listed in Template messages/User talk namespace. The wording is very similar in these templates, main point being the user should add reliable sources. 80.221.152.17 (talk) 00:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: I don't understand how to get consensus in Wikipedia and get these templates to be officially part of the User Warnings or User Talk Namespace Templates. Qwertyxp2000 (talk &#124; contribs) 22:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Oppose – Why were these created?
 * Uw-poorlysourced1
 * Uw-poorlysourced2
 * Uw-poorlysourced3
 * Uw-poorlysourced4
 * They are almost completely identical to the well-established Uw-unsourced templates, except for the minor change of inserting "poorly". In my opinion, this is completely unnecessary. Calling a source poor is a negative way of saying the source is unreliable. The distinction being made can bite newcomers, whether intentional or not. These should be deleted if anything, as they fail to enhance the unsourced templates. --GoneIn60 (talk) 02:50, 5 May 2017 (UTC)


 * (Disclosure: I am the nominator, 80.221.152.17.) I don't oppose deleting these templates, per User:GoneIn60's suggestion. 84.250.0.185 (talk) 08:50, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * oppose, if you want to delete the poorly sourced templates, then nominate those for deletion, but there is really nothing to merge here. Frietjes (talk) 22:38, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose I feel they may be distinctly different from unsourced and poorly sourced. And some protection descriptions show about "addition of unsourced or poorly sourced content", yet we don't show about "poorly sourced" on the templates. And I don't even understand how to bring consensus in Wikipedia, even with two-years experience. Qwertyxp2000 (talk &#124; contribs) 10:28, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


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Template:Politics of Vatican City

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Politics of Vatican City. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:23, 13 May 2017 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Politics of Vatican City with Template:Politics of the Holy See.
 * Politics of Vatican City
 * Politics of the Holy See

Largely overlapping, creating confusion. Vatican City is the territory. Holy See is the diplomatic and sovereign entity. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:47, 15 April 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 03:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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Template:Beware of Darkness
<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
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The result of the discussion was no consensus Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:17, 13 May 2017 (UTC) Only three valid links: two albums and one single. Everything else was redirected. Delete per WP:NENAN. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:44, 27 April 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Beware of Darkness
 *  Keep for now - While it is possible that only three of the works are notable, three of the works were unilaterally redirected by User:TenPoundHammer without PROD nor WP:AFD.  "All Who Remain" has four references, and the EPs each have a reference.  AFD before TFD. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:57, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 *  weak keep, since the redirects were by the nominator. Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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Template:Association football positions
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:25, 13 May 2017 (UTC) Unhelpful template that mixes together entirely different sorts of "positions" - the tactical on-field positions (e.g. midfielder) with positions in the sense of job roles. Many of the latter link to non-football specific articles, such as general sports ones (e.g. coach) or ones on much more general topics, such as physician, which doesn't even mention sport. Cutting it down to the playing positions would make logical sense, but would leave too few links for it to be worthwhile. Jellyman (talk) 06:47, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Association football positions
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 07:04, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see a problem with the combination of playing and non-playing roles. It is clearly marked and types of positions are important roles in soccer. --SuperJew (talk) 07:18, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Layout is as expected for sports, similar to Template:Baseball positions for example. UW Dawgs (talk) 14:19, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The baseball template is useful in that it includes a significant number of playing roles, and – while I'm not a fan of mixing the on- and off-field roles in this way, as I said – at least the off-field ones mainly link to baseball-specific articles. What value is a template that mixes together "midfielder" and "physician"? These articles don't relate to each other in the slightest, which is what articles in navboxes are supposed to do. Jellyman (talk) 05:05, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That seems to be a valid argument for improving it via WP:BOLD, not a reason to entirely break cross-navigation between the positions -a convention which seems to exist in every similar team sport-position article. 05:13, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - a 'position' in association football refers to playing, and there are four - not enough for a template. See also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. GiantSnowman 18:50, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - Serves no useful purpose. JMHamo (talk) 08:39, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not a useful aid to navigation, the non-player role element is confusing, and not relevant leaving only a minimum of valid blue links

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 * delete, and replace with see also links for the directly-related positions. Frietjes (talk) 22:40, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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Template:GPnotebook
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 May 13. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:29, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * GPnotebook
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