Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 October 24



Template:Turkvision Song Contest 2017

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 November 2. (non-admin closure) Nihlus  00:17, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Turkvision_Song_Contest_2017
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Template:Turkvision Song Contest 2016

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 November 2. (non-admin closure) Nihlus  00:17, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Turkvision_Song_Contest_2016
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Template:Third Position

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 November 2. (non-admin closure) Nihlus  00:18, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Third_Position
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Template:Hindi writers

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 November 3. (non-admin closure) Nihlus  00:06, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hindi_writers
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Template:Dinesh subasinghe

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as T3 by AnomieBOT ⚡  12:10, 1 November 2017 (UTC) redundant to Template:Dinesh Subasinghe NSH002 (talk) 17:56, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Dinesh subasinghe
 * Tagged T3. agt x  18:03, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Indian food writers

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Nihlus  00:13, 2 November 2017 (UTC) No article which this template is navigating. Serves no special purpose. Störm  (talk)  16:23, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Indian food writers
 * delete, we have Category:Indian food writers, which does a much better job (automatically updated, doesn't clutter the foot of the article, ...) Frietjes (talk) 16:43, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Sydney Trains style/T2

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Per request of the creator RickinBaltimore (talk) 14:31, 25 October 2017 (UTC) Unused, incompatible with S-line due to not ending in "style". Jc86035 (talk) 15:27, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Sydney Trains style/T2
 * delete, probably created by mistake. Frietjes (talk) 16:44, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - ‘‘twas an experiment I did four years ago that didn’t work out. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · contribs · [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=PhilipTerryGraham&project=en.wikipedia.org count]) 21:39, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete — as per creator, mistake. —Joeyconnick (talk) 22:38, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Yama Buddha Discography

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  20:15, 1 November 2017 (UTC) unused, navigates nothing Frietjes (talk) 14:43, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yama Buddha Discography
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Template:Yukon territorial election, 2011/Mount Lorne-Southern Lakes

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 November 3. Primefac (talk) 01:05, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yukon_territorial_election,_2011/Mount_Lorne-Southern_Lakes
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Template:England Squad 2006 ICC Champions Trophy

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 November 1. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 08:49, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * England_Squad_2006_ICC_Champions_Trophy
 * India_Squad_2006_ICC_Champions_Trophy
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Template:Zimbabwe Squad 2006 ICC Champions Trophy

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 November 1. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 08:49, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Zimbabwe_Squad_2006_ICC_Champions_Trophy
 * Bangladesh_Squad_2006_ICC_Champions_Trophy
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Template:Zimbabwean English

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 08:42, 1 November 2017 (UTC) unused and no parent article Frietjes (talk) 13:38, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Zimbabwean English
 * Delete per nom. Redundant template. Störm   (talk)  18:17, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Recent years

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 November 2. (non-admin closure) Nihlus  00:16, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Recent_years
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Template:Library resources box

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 08:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC) Up for deletion in 2013 but was kept. Time to revisit. Has not been updated for years. Superseded in function by Authority control. Four of the links forward to exactly the same Toolabs link, which is nothing more than a list of libraries around the world. — Maile (talk) 15:19, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Library resources box


 * Delete - linked in 2495 articles which is not too much after a lengthy trial period. Agree with nom about it's usefulness and overlap with other tools. -- Green  C  15:32, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * delete after replacing with authority control. Frietjes (talk) 15:34, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Neutral for now, but (see below) I wanted to comment about the functioning of the template. The links that go to the Toolabs "Forward to Libraries" page aren't identical. The "in your library" links show the full list of libraries the first time you use it, but once you choose a library it will remember and go directly to that library thereafter. The "in other libraries" links always show the full list. Either way, when you click through it passes the search parameters. So it's not clear to me that there is any problem with the links in the upper half of the template. I do agree that the "by" links in the bottom half of the box are redundant to authority control; those should probably be removed from the template if it is kept. --RL0919 (talk) 16:16, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * keep This is largely a data-driven template service; while the template itself has not been updated in a while (partly because I seem to be not currently authorized to update it), the data that drives it is frequently updated, with article->Library subject mappings updated once or twice a month, and the library listings and catalog configurations updated several times a month (most recently earlier today, before I saw the TfD notice). See https://github.com/JohnMarkOckerbloom/ftl for details on updates.  I'm happy to consider alternative ways of implementing the functionality if desired, but as of now I don't know of other Wikipedia links that give the same direct-to-the-user's-local library functionality as this template does.  (In particular, the authority control template does not search local libraries, as far as I can tell; and the Book Sources template only does known-item searches, not general subject and author searches.)  (CoI note: this comment is by the originator and maintainer of the service.)  JohnMarkOckerbloom (talk) 16:36, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You might want to ask for Template Editor rights: Requests for permissions/Template editor. Seems weird that you created this template but now can't edit it. — Maile (talk) 22:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion! I've made a request for Template Editor rights; we'll see if they're granted.  I'm happy to take suggestions for improvements on the templates or the documentation.  (Apparently, from comments above it's not currently clear to all users what exactly the templates do.)   Also happy to hear suggestions for different implementations, and/or to add them on more articles if desired.  (I purposely had *not* been adding them to many articles on my own, instead focusing more on building up the back-end data.) JohnMarkOckerbloom (talk) 19:34, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * delete as per nominator's and GreenC's arguments. --Omnipaedista (talk) 10:03, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - also per nominator's and GreenC's arguments. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:13, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - it's clearer and easier to use than the authority controls. People can work out how to use something described as 'find something in your library' vs. 'authority controls'.  --122.108.141.214 (talk) 23:08, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - it does a completely different thing than authority control. This template is "look up resources about this topic in your library", while Authority control (which is a completely opaque term that people who aren't librarians/data nerds don't understand) lets you see resource pages about the topic in national databases like GND. Let's take a non-biographical example: Copyright, which has both Authority control and Library resources box. If I click on the GND link, it takes me to a page in German. If I click the NDL link, it takes me to a page in Japanese. The German page lets me see a bunch of books written in German about copyright law. The NDL page doesn't let me see even that. The Forward to Libraries page lets me look stuff up in research/academic libraries in my country, which include books in English and on topics that are more likely to be useful to me as a reader of English Wikipedia. I think it's important that we link together Wikipedia and Wikidata with the authority control databases, but for the average English-speaking reader, being able to see that some topic on Wikipedia also exists in a German or Japanese or French library database is far less useful than being able to look stuff up in their local/national academic and research libraries. This template is probably more useful to readers than Authority Control. It's not superseded by Authority Control, it's completely separate, and I find it rather strange people don't see that difference. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:41, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nihlus  01:51, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep -- It is very useful for readers of Wikipedia and has a different use from the other tools in the editing and admin toolsets. The amounts of articles it currently exists on reflects more on its publicity and training roll out to the greater Wikimedia community than on its usefulness as a tool. TeriEmbrey (talk) 13:53, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Based on subsequent comments, I'm switching from neutral to keep. --RL0919 (talk) 15:13, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a simple way to direct people to their local library catalogs--without preference to any particular kind or type of library. I'm a librarian, and actively adding to articles in my field of specialization. If it can be improved, fantastic, but it could hardly be easier to use. I think you might have to have a lot of Wikipedia editor knowledge to know how to find the templates, which could account for its low use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebecStu (talk • contribs) 20:01, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment it appears that these are been removed before the debate has been closed with edit summary of "rm obsolete template". Edits such as this and this. Keith D (talk) 18:11, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and repair per Tom Morris, though some of the nominator's points seem valid. ɱ  (talk) · vbm  · coi) 22:50, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
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Brad Pitt as a producer templates
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 November 2. (non-admin closure) Nihlus  00:14, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Brad_Pitt
 * Brad_Pitt_as_a_Film_Producer
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