Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 October 26



Template:The Magic Circle - The David Devant Award

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Nihlus  19:49, 2 November 2017 (UTC) Fails 4/5 criteria of WP:NAVBOX - the award isn't mentioned in most of these biographies, the articles don't refer to one another, there isn't a Wikipedia article about the award (it's not even mentioned in The Magic Circle article) and the articles would not be linked by see-alsos. The navbox is also three years out of date. Gapfall (talk) 18:25, 11 October 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The Magic Circle - The David Devant Award

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:53, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * delete, the list of winners should be in The Magic Circle if this award is indeed notable. Frietjes (talk) 16:51, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox royal house

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox family. No opposition. Primefac (talk) 00:13, 3 November 2017 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Infobox royal house with Template:Infobox family.
 * Infobox royal house
 * Infobox family

Completely redundant dublication of parametres, all collected inside Template:Infobox family. A merge would follow suit in the same way that the redundant Template:Noble house met a decision of merge with Template:Infobox family, as proposed here. Chicbyaccident (talk) 17:28, 11 October 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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Template:Details

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Further information leaving a redirect and implementing the wording change as proposed. No opposition to merger. Primefac (talk) 00:14, 3 November 2017 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Details with Template:Further information.
 * Details
 * Further information

While applying the terminology "for more information", rather than "for details" or "further information", for simplicity. Please note: unable to tag templates in question. Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:57, 9 October 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Let's try to stay on-topic.
 * now tagged. Frietjes (talk) 14:13, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * With unnecessary noinclude tags. &#123;&#123;repeat&#124;p&#124;3&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 18:12, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't add any noinclude tags, but feel free to add them if you want. Frietjes (talk) 17:56, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * disabled has functionally the same affect. &#123;&#123;repeat&#124;p&#124;3&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 21:32, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:33, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Gujarati writers
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2017 November 3. Primefac (talk) 00:15, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Gujarati_writers
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Template:Aurthohin
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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Nihlus  19:50, 2 November 2017 (UTC) Nearly all the articles have been turned into redirects, rendering this Navbox rather useless. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 21:18, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Aurthohin
 * delete, navigates nearly nothing. Frietjes (talk) 16:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Data Amsterdam
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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Nihlus  19:51, 2 November 2017 (UTC) none of these data templates are used outside of userspace, and have generally been replaced by the Dutch municipality population, Dutch municipality total area, ... templates. the advantage of the population, total area, etc templates is that it's easier to update all the municipalities with one edit, rather than editing a bunch of individual templates. and, even then, the data table templates are generally being deprecated in favour of using wikidata for storing population and area data. Frietjes (talk) 18:11, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Data Amsterdam
 * Data Asten
 * Data Bergen (L)
 * Data Bergen (NH)
 * Data Best, North Brabant
 * Data Borne
 * Data Borsele
 * Data Delft
 * Data Deurne
 * Data Drenthe
 * Data Echt-Susteren
 * Data Ede
 * Data Emmen
 * Data Flevoland
 * Data Friesland
 * Data Gelderland
 * Data Goes
 * Data Gouda
 * Data Groningen (municipality)
 * Data Groningen (province)
 * Data Haaren
 * Data Haren
 * Data Harlingen
 * Data Hulst
 * Data Kampen, Overijssel
 * Data Kapelle
 * Data Kollumerland en Nieuwkruisland
 * Data Leiden
 * Data Limburg (Netherlands)
 * Data Middelburg
 * Data Noord-Beveland
 * Data North Brabant
 * Data North Holland
 * Data Overijssel
 * Data Reimerswaal
 * Data Rotterdam
 * Data Scherpenzeel
 * Data Schiermonnikoog
 * Data Schouwen-Duiveland
 * Data Sluis
 * Data Soest
 * Data South Holland
 * Data Stein
 * Data Terneuzen
 * Data The Hague
 * Data Tholen
 * Data Utrecht (municipality)
 * Data Utrecht (province)
 * Data Veere
 * Data Vlissingen
 * Data Westland
 * Data Zeeland
 * Data Zwijndrecht, Netherlands
 * Table row Dutch municipality
 * delete all per nom. - Mnnlaxer &#124; talk  &#124; stalk 04:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Steel1943  (talk) 15:19, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Canton Cougars roster
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:16, 3 November 2017 (UTC) team is defunct, the 2011 season roster is in the 2011 season article. Frietjes (talk) 17:55, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Canton Cougars roster
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Template:Sainsbury's 20x20 Sustainability Plan
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:16, 3 November 2017 (UTC) unused, not clear where it would be used Frietjes (talk) 17:45, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Sainsbury's 20x20 Sustainability Plan
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Template:Salvadoran presidential election, 2014
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:16, 3 November 2017 (UTC) unused and duplicates the table in Salvadoran presidential election, 2014 Frietjes (talk) 17:26, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Salvadoran presidential election, 2014
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Template:Salgaocar
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The result of the discussion was redirect to Template:Salgaocar F.C.. Primefac (talk) 00:17, 3 November 2017 (UTC) unused fork of Template:Fb team Salgaocar Frietjes (talk) 17:23, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Salgaocar
 * Redirect to Template:Fb team Salgaocar. The title could be helpful for navigation to the other template which this template forks. Steel1943  (talk) 15:16, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * why do that when you could redirect to Template:Salgaocar F.C.? Fb templates only work if they start with "Fb" in the title. Frietjes (talk) 16:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with that option as well. Either way, the title of this template seems as though it should redirect to or be something. Steel1943  (talk) 17:32, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Saban general election, 2011
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:18, 3 November 2017 (UTC) unused, duplicates the table in Saban general election, 2011 Frietjes (talk) 17:22, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Saban general election, 2011
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Template:Data tag
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:18, 3 November 2017 (UTC) unused, no documentation, unclear purpose Frietjes (talk) 16:45, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Data tag
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Template:Carolina Aviators roster
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:20, 3 November 2017 (UTC) team folded, so there is no current roster Frietjes (talk) 15:47, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Carolina Aviators roster
 * Tennessee Rail Runners roster
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Template:2012 UIFL Northern East Division standings
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC) unused, blank, wrong (Canton folded before the season) and duplicates Template:2012 UIFL Standings Frietjes (talk) 15:42, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 2012 UIFL Northern East Division standings
 * 2012 UIFL Northern West Division standings
 * 2012 UIFL Southern East Division standings
 * 2012 UIFL Southern West Division standings
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Template:2008 Italian general election in Veneto-Chamber of Deputies
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC) unused, duplicates Italian general election, 2008 (Veneto) Frietjes (talk) 15:24, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 2008 Italian general election in Veneto-Chamber of Deputies
 * 2008 Italian general election in Veneto-Senate
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Template:2008 International League North standings
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC) unused and duplicates 2008 International League season Frietjes (talk) 15:19, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 2008 International League North standings
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Template:1998 Major League Soccer Eastern Conference table
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC) unused and duplicates 1998 Major League Soccer season, should be put to use or deleted. Frietjes (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * 1998 Major League Soccer Eastern Conference table
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Template:CG Railway infobox
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:04, 27 October 2017 (UTC) Unused; unnecessary duplication of CG Railway. Jc86035 (talk) 10:59, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * CG Railway infobox
 * Support as uploader, this was being used for test purposes. -- Natural  R X 13:50, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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Template:Chaebol
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. No opposition. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:25, 3 November 2017 (UTC) Following the report here, I looked into this template and found it highly problematic. It lists some Korean companies classified as 'Chaebol' but criteria for listing are unclear. It lists Top 10 but we don't have any top 10 list, Top 10 changes yearly. It lists 'others' and 'defunct', but those list are clearly incomplete as again we don't have any referenced list to base them on (linked Korean template has more entries but same problem of lack of sources). If we had a referenced list we could have a template listing Top 10 chebols by year or decade or such, but without a referenced list this template is pure and chaotic OR. In other words, this template may be omitting important entries, listing entities that should be on it, have major update-needed problems, and we have no way currently to verify any of this. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:06, 18 October 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Chaebol

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Template:Eric Goldberg
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The result of the discussion was soft delete. No opposition. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 00:26, 3 November 2017 (UTC) Not enough links to warrant a navbox -- wooden superman  13:25, 18 October 2017 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Eric Goldberg

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Template:Subst
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The result of the discussion was keep. A discussion regarding the exact wording of the template is encouraged based on the discussion, but not required. Primefac (talk) 00:27, 3 November 2017 (UTC) Deprecate and convert to error - the listed functionality is already provided by the better known tls, and many transclusions are instead the result of users mistakenly trying to substitute something but using a pipe instead. Converting to an error would make it very easy to find these cases. – Train2104 (t • c) 15:20, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Subst
 * Oppose When I accidentally use this it is good to get the result that I do. If it just says error, it will not be helpful. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:22, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not suggesting that this be redirected to error, rather it be converted to a transclusion of it, with a helpful error message. – Train2104 (t • c) 01:11, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * Keep and revise the template to contain something like . ToThAc (talk) 15:15, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
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