Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 August 7



Template:HK-MTR stations

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:28, 15 August 2018 (UTC) No longer in use, except for in documentation and test pages; superseded by adjacent stations, rail color box, station link, line link and rail color. The data is now at Module:Adjacent stations/MTR. Jc86035 (talk) 20:42, 31 July 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * MTR
 * HK-MTR stations
 * HK-MTR stations
 * HK-MTR box
 * HK-MTR color
 * HK-MTR icon
 * HK-MTR lines
 * HK-MTR style
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Airport Express
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Beijing-Kowloon
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Disneyland Resort
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/East Rail
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/East West
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Guangdong
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Island
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Kwun Tong
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Ma On Shan
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/North South
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Northern
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Shanghai-Kowloon
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/South Island
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/South Island West
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Tseung Kwan O
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Tsuen Wan
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/Tung Chung
 * S-line/HK-MTR left/West Rail
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Airport Express
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Beijing-Kowloon
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Disneyland Resort
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/East Rail
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/East West
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Guangdong
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Island
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Kwun Tong
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Ma On Shan
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Northern
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Shanghai-Kowloon
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/South Island
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/South Island West
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Tseung Kwan O
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Tsuen Wan
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/Tung Chung
 * S-line/HK-MTR right/West Rail

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 * delete, seems like a no-brainer. Frietjes (talk) 14:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
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Template:Country data Economic Community of West African States

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:41, 15 August 2018 (UTC) Broken, unused Frietjes (talk) 16:47, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Country data Economic Community of West African States
 * I created it to use in 2 articles, but it's not being used now. It may be useful in the future, so I think that it shouldn't be deleted. Anyway, I can make copy paste and if I need it in the future I may create this template again in the future, so it's at your discretion to delete it or not. Greetings. Odemirense (talk) 11:56, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
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Template:OCN Saturday-Sunday dramas

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 August 23. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * OCN_Saturday-Sunday_dramas
 * OCN_original_series
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Template:Anarion_family_tree

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 August 15. Primefac (talk) 03:09, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Anarion_family_tree
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Template:Archdeacons of Scarborough, ON

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 August 15. Primefac (talk) 03:13, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Archdeacons_of_Scarborough,_ON
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Template:Muhammad's ancestors2

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Muhammad's ancestors2 with Template:Muhammad's ancestors.
 * Muhammad's ancestors2
 * Muhammad's ancestors

To fix redundancy. Advocate retaining the ahnentafel format of prior Template:Muhammad's ancestors2 rather than the text paragraph format of the destination template. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Fear of redundancy is justified. But I want to clear up the reason for making two templates. Template:Muhammad's ancestors is about Muhammad's "fathers" or paternal grand-fathers, where Arabs cared most. It's showing how Muhammed is related to other Arab tribes. While Template:Muhammad's ancestors2 is about Muhammad's family-tree, and how his "fathers" and "mothers" are related to each other.--Maher27777 (talk) 21:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * So I'd say leave the redundant one and then make viewers navigate the full scheme according to any personal preferences, right? Chicbyaccident (talk) 23:07, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose Muhammad's ancestors goes up 21 generations - not exactly sure how an Ahnentafel tree would work with that, so a merge seems impractical. Muhammad's ancestors is really Muhammad's patrilineal line - they have different scopes/navigation IMO Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:31, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
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RC Narbonne and US Dax squad templates
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The result of the discussion was no consensus with NPASR, though I think doing so individually would be more appropriate given how one template appears to meet the "precedent" minimum of 4 links while the other only has two. Primefac (talk) 00:36, 24 August 2018 (UTC) These are navboxes for players for French rugby union teams. However, both these templates now have a vast majority of red links (just 2 and 4 blue links respectively), and these teams no longer participate in a fully professional rugby union competition, meaning current players won't be deemed notable as per WikiProject Rugby union/Notability criteria. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 02:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * RC Narbonne squad
 * US Dax squad
 * Keep for now. The majorty of players will have played at a higher level (the season before) and these two clubs are highly likely to return to Pro D2 in the coming years, it seems unnecessary to delete and then restore the info boxes of the teams relegated and promoted into Pro D2 each summer. Skeene88 (talk) 17:09, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hhkohh (talk) 03:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, the point of a navbox is to allow navigation between related articles. For these two templates, there are almost no articles to navigate to, so they don't serve much of a purpose. It has nothing to do with the team returning to Pro D2 (and your assertion that they are "highly likely" to do so seems completely baseless), but with the fact that none of the players have articles. So there won't be any unnecessary deletion and recreation based on promotion, it will be based on someone actually creating a large number of new articles to make these navboxes viable. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 23:35, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * FYI : next year, 4 links will be ″blue″ on US Dax squad template : Felipe Berchesi, Arnaud Héguy, Toki Pilioko, Nemia Soqeta. It's more than last year/actual template, with 3 players. - Daxipedia - 達克斯百科 (talk) 21:01, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, template updated to reflect this and count updated in comment above. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 01:57, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 08:11, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
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User:Barbara (WVS)/tv template
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The result of the discussion was delete. Creator is okay with deletion. Primefac (talk) 03:12, 15 August 2018 (UTC) Appears to be an abandoned test template, creates WP:REDNOT categories Le Deluge (talk) 09:18, 28 July 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Is REDNOT religiously followed in user-space? I've my doubts and hence, the relisting........
 * User:Barbara (WVS)/tv template
 * Per the original closing comment, I've provided the correct link and reopened the discussion because I also came across the page in a round of REDNOT cleanup. That said, given that it's in userspace instead of templatespace the discussion may more appropriately belong at MFD rather than here — but I agree that because it's creating redlinked article-rating categories for a Wikiproject that doesn't exist to be rating articles, it needs to be either deleted or rewritten to strip its category-generating code. The categorization project can't have kludge like this polluting the redlinked category tracker in a permanent and unresolvable way — either the categories need to come off the page, or the page needs to go if that's not possible. Bearcat (talk) 22:35, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 08:05, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * In response to the relister's comment, yes, we do have to pay some attention to WP:REDNOT issues in userspace — not because it causes problems with the page, however, but because it causes unwanted kludge on Special:WantedCategories. So even in userspace, pages still shouldn't be declaring or artificially generating non-existent categories — the wanted categories tool must always be 100 per cent resolvable at all times, with no exceptions that the people working on category maintenance aren't allowed to deal with in one form or another. People who work with that tool are under no obligation to just accept that the list will remain polluted with permanent speedbumps that can never be cleared off the list — if it's there, then we have to do whatever is necessary to make it go away. Bearcat (talk) 15:08, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Well WP:REDNOT is explicit "A page in any Wikipedia namespace should never be left in a red-linked category". Actually, userspace is even stronger, as WP:USERNOCAT bans most kinds of blue-link categories from userspace, never mind red links.Le Deluge (talk) 22:42, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Please delete the template. I created it for an article in the Signpost and don't plan on using it in the future. Best Regards, Barbara ✐ ✉  00:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
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Template:License of reference
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The result of the discussion was delete. No opposition, reasonable arguments. Primefac (talk) 19:04, 23 August 2018 (UTC) This is pointless clutter that doesn't belong in articles. The licensing of a reference ("CC BY 3.0" vs "CC BY, version apparently not specified", vs ...) is something that belongs in Wikidata (and can be found by following the DOI links), not Wikipedia. Freely-accessible ressources can be marked with free, or are automatically marked if PMC identifiers are present. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * License of reference
 * delete per nom, rarely used, so apparently not needed. Frietjes (talk) 13:33, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
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Template:Ella Chen
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:00, 18 August 2018 (UTC) Both templates don't include enough articles. If you remove the "TV dramas" and "Films" sections (which I found totally unnecessary for a singer's template) from the Ella Chen one, that template is left with only 3 articles. Beyoncetan 2 (talk) 01:01, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Ella Chen
 * Selina Jen


 * Delete Filmographies should not be listed in singer's navigational templates, leaving not enough articles to navigate between. Aspects (talk) 03:29, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
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