Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 December 14



Template:Vehicle manufacturing in Ukraine

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 01:44, 22 December 2019 (UTC) Just three links but two of them are to non manufacturig articles. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:50, 7 December 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Vehicle manufacturing in Ukraine

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 19:43, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * delete, better to use categories. Frietjes (talk) 16:33, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Associations of the Christian faithful

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:37, 25 December 2019 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Associations of the Christian faithful with Template:Catholic laity.
 * Associations of the Christian faithful
 * Catholic laity

New, forked template. Largely overlapping content, it seems, though. Why not merge? PPEMES (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Haven't studied it so will not comment for now. Too many nominations at once. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:21, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * replying to a nearly useless comment. Frietjes (talk) 15:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * support, most of the links are already in the Catholic laity template, so a merge seems sensible. Frietjes (talk) 15:56, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I think Catholic laity is ultimately a hopelessly broad navbox. There are simply too many categories of them with too many instances in each. It's a bit like having a navbox that tries to list all "Schools", "Hospitals" or "Parks". The more articles are created, the more untenable the broad navobx will become. If anything, Catholic laity should be split to each type of lay organization. Each of those can be potentially expanded many-fold. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Theoretically, possibly, but past years doesn't show a rapid expension getting out of hand, does it? PPEMES (talk) 00:05, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Adding completely useless relist comment

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 21:51, 4 December 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 19:34, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
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Template:In defensum castitatis

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:37, 25 December 2019 (UTC) Propose merging Template:In defensum castitatis with Template:Catholic saints.
 * In defensum castitatis
 * Catholic saints

While admittably it is a large template, shouldn't this be estimated one of the larger excepetions for a descent overview? Better keep it together? PPEMES (talk) 00:46, 27 November 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose this one. The first template is large enough and is a specific enough topic for its own template. Let it stand as is. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge - there is no article for "In defensum castitatis" which fails WP:NAVBOX#4, so this is pure WP:OR which cannot be WP:V. Merge as secondary option. --Gonnym (talk) 07:42, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 21:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 17:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Neutral on the merge, yet I think it would probably be helpful to be able to quickly access these similarly classed individuals. Perhaps a specific cat would serve. Manannan67 (talk) 04:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Catholic protection
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Opinions vary greatly with the 3 comments suggesting drastically different paths forward. No consensus can thus be determined. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 16:13, 23 December 2019 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Catholic protection with Template:Prayers of the Catholic Church.
 * Catholic protection
 * Prayers of the Catholic Church

Seems like rather mergable content? PPEMES (talk) 00:18, 27 November 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:26, 6 December 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose. Sacramentals are numerous enough to have a navbox of their own. See Category:Sacramentals and subcats (basically all are Catholic). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Oppose. In the first place, I see no purpose for the "Catholic Protection" template at all. It could well be deleted in its entirety with no particular loss. As for Sacramental, I think that's a bit premature as there appears to be some confusion, even among Catholics, as to what are currently termed sacramentals. Both the catechism and the USCCB use the term essentially equating it to "blessings" of one kind or another, with other things previously termed sacramentals described as either "expressions of popular piety" or "devotional articles". Maybe that should be sorted out first. Manannan67 (talk) 07:11, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Horizontal Maya
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 December 25. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:36, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Horizontal_Maya
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