Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 February 22



2013–14 Egyptian Premier League tables

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator. Thanks for the note. (non-admin closure)  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:28, 24 February 2019 (UTC) Only used on one pages. Just call directly from that page. No reason for a template.  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:43, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * 2013–14 Egyptian Premier League championship play-off table
 * 2013–14 Egyptian Premier League Group B table
 * 2013–14 Egyptian Premier League Group A table
 * Delete This template is only used in one article. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 00:07, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * subst then delete per above Hhkohh (talk) 01:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've created those templates to be used on two articles beside 2013–14 Egyptian Premier League; those two articles were 2013–14 Al Ahly SC season and 2013–14 Zamalek SC season. I've just noticed that I forgot to use those templates on the articles I mentioned, and I've just added them while I was writing this. I think there is no need for deletion now. Ben5218 (talk) 03:51, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * keep no longer used in one page. please consider withdrawing this TfD Hhkohh (talk) 04:33, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Asbox/sandbox/no-table

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure)  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:25, 1 March 2019 (UTC) Unused template, can't figure out how to eliminate the error(s), no prejudice against recreation if the template is needed in the future DannyS712 (talk) 21:41, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Asbox/sandbox/no-table
 * Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This template has never been used. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 22:22, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep if I understand rightly, as it looks to be a sandbox. If it's not a sandbox itself, we should be able to delete it under G2 as a test that's not in an appropriate testing environment.  Nyttend (talk) 12:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - I made it back in 2012, presumably to approach improving the markup of asbox, but haven't been involved with that since then. —  Scott  •  talk  12:47, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Marshall Islands-sport-stub

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure)  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:26, 1 March 2019 (UTC) Unneeded template; only used for 1 page (Marshall Islands National Olympic Committee) which already has Olympic-org-stub. DannyS712 (talk) 21:37, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Marshall Islands-sport-stub
 * Replace and delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's now used on four pages, but that's still far below the minimum, and it also appears not to have been proposed through the normal means.  Nyttend (talk) 11:58, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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Module:FileData

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The result of the discussion was delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 00:59, 2 March 2019 (UTC) Unusable per its own documentation. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 21:33, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * FileData


 * Neutral as author. Necessary functions for the module to work were removed, but I don't know why deleting it would serve a purpose. Wnt (talk) 22:12, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Because your code does nothing. --Gonnym (talk) 10:58, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - dead module per doc and author. --Gonnym (talk) 10:58, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete; aside from sandboxes, we shouldn't keep template components that don't do anything. Nyttend (talk) 12:55, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox U.S. state

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 March 2. (non-admin closure) Hhkohh (talk) 01:38, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Infobox_U.S._state
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Template:Infobox Finnish municipality

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 April 6. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 21:00, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Infobox_Finnish_municipality
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Metadata population AT templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Hhkohh (talk) 01:37, 2 March 2019 (UTC) Subst & delete. This is not a valid way to store data. The population should either be directly placed on the page or stored in WikiData. Not maintained in this sort of template. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:27, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Metadata population AT-1 - 0 article transclusions
 * Metadata population AT-1/doc
 * Metadata population AT-2 - 1 article transclusion
 * Metadata population AT-3 - 2 article transclusions
 * Metadata population AT-4 - 1 article transclusion
 * Metadata population AT-5 - 0 article transclusions
 * Metadata population AT-6 - 21 article transclusions
 * Metadata population AT-7 - 0 article transclusions
 * Metadata population AT-8 - 0 article transclusions
 * Metadata population AT-9 - 0 article transclusions
 * Get Austria population
 * Shouldn't Template:Get Austria population be included here as well? &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 20:48, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * added -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:49, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - at least until there is a good, and equally well maintained alternative in Wikidata. The current population data templates are referenced, up to date (2016) and I can't remember ever having found an error in the data. Markussep Talk 18:33, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: Template:Metadata_population_AT-9 has already been deleted per Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_February_15 as has Template:Infobox_Town_AT per Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_February_17. With that, these templates are almost entirely unused. So there really isn't any point to keep them at this point. -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:41, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant, per Zackmann08's update. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Metadata Population BE

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 March 2. (non-admin closure) Hhkohh (talk) 01:35, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
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 * Metadata_Population_DE-BY
 * Metadata_Population_DE-HB
 * Metadata_Population_DE-HE
 * Metadata_Population_DE-MV
 * Metadata_Population_DE-NI
 * Metadata_Population_DE-NW
 * Metadata_Population_DE-RP
 * Metadata_Population_DE-SH
 * Metadata_Population_DE-SL
 * Metadata_Population_DE-SN
 * Metadata_Population_DE-ST
 * Metadata_Population_DE-TH
 * Metadata_Population_Dominican_province
 * Metadata_Population_Turkish_province
 * Population_Germany
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Template:If affirmed

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 March 1. (non-admin closure)  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:12, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Costliest U.S. Atlantic hurricanes by wealth normalization

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 March 2. (non-admin closure) Hhkohh (talk) 06:39, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Costliest_U.S._Atlantic_hurricanes_by_wealth_normalization
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Template:Trillium Line route diagram detailed

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 March 2. (non-admin closure) Hhkohh (talk) 06:39, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Trillium_Line_route_diagram_detailed
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2018 Singapore NFL Div tables

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure)  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:07, 1 March 2019 (UTC) Substitute, then delete. Each has a single transclusion. Bsherr (talk) 17:09, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * 2018 Singapore NFL Div 1 table
 * 2018 Singapore NFL Div 2 table
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 * subst then delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 17:21, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Subst and delete per nom. Confusing connections between 2018 Singapore NFL Div 1 table, 2018 Singapore National Football League Div 1 table (redirects from 2018 NFL Div 1 table. Nigej (talk) 18:23, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It was a cut-and-paste move that Hhkohh diligently identified and has now been repaired. --Bsherr (talk) 19:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Subst and delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Subst and delete as above. GiantSnowman 15:49, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox playwright

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox playwright. (non-admin closure)  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:10, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Infobox playwright - 222 transclusions
 * Infobox writer - 29147 transclusions

Propose merging Template:Infobox playwright into Template:Infobox writer.

Playwrights are, by definition, writers; many write things other than plays. We seem to have more articiles on playwrights that already use than use .

The writer template has parameters that are not in the playwright template; but these are mostly of generic biographical type (for example, honorific_suffix; parents; years_active) and apply equally to playwrights.

The few parameters unique to the playwright box are either widely deprecated (influenced; influences) or can be included in the writer template - there being just five of the latter:


 * collaborator
 * debut_works [sic]
 * magnum_opus
 * memorials
 * ploys (labelled "Dramatic devices")

-- Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep don't see how this proposal makes editing experience easier, it's clear the template is still in use, has unique parameters to better describe playwrights, and no convincing rationale for merging. I don't find the fact that some playwrights use writer a convincing reason for merging. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The proposal is not intended to make the editing experience any easier. It will also not make the editing experience more difficult. It will, however, make the process of mainitaining templates better, as described at Infobox consolidation, so there's a net benefit, with no cost to regular editors. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:22, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge, seems like a duplication. Renata (talk) 04:39, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * meta comment a link to this discussion appeared at the top of the article I was reading, drawing attention to itself by disrupting the display of the infobox. The discussion has no effect on the page, as a page merge might, so why is it being advertised in i-dont-know-how-many articles in main space? cygnis insignis 10:18, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I quite agree with the previous comment, that I really don't understand why a link to this discussion appears on all pages that use the infobox writer. --Dick Bos (talk) 11:21, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * meta response : The purpose is to get more editors to discuss this proposal, since without such a notice traffic to template-related discussions is at a level far below that to article-related discussions, while at the same time keeping the notice's visual footprint minimized so as to not overwhelm the rest of the page. I think it's a balanced approach. —Geekdiva (talk) 11:30, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge - I don't see the need for unique templates for sub-types of writers - comic, novel, play, television, film. Even more so, when these writers can and do write for several different mediums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonnym (talk • contribs)
 * Merge. If this weren't being used for any playwrights, I can imagine opposing on the grounds that people writing articles about playwrights have found it more useful, but since it's already being heavily used, any not-useful-for-playwrights argument is obviously invalid.  Note that some playwrights don't have either infobox, e.g. William Shakespeare uses only Infobox person.  Nyttend (talk) 12:48, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge Not unique enough or used enough to warrant a separate template. - Samuel Wiki (talk) 05:58, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge – Points made by PigsOTW are pertinent in all respects. – S. Rich (talk) 06:21, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge - I have seen some people working on several media. Giving a individual template to a occupation is not reflecting the fact. -Mariogoods (talk) 03:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Playwrights are not writers by definition. Completely different specializations, taught at different universities. Most writers are unable to professionally write plays/screenplays without at least additional guidance/education and vice versa. The fact that SOME people are known for successfully combining both skills doesn't tell anything. Merging them means merging two different professions. And in most cases the infobox is defined by the person's contribution to this or that field. Anton Chekhov is clearly a writer, while Martin McDonagh is clearly a playwright. AveTory (talk) 21:29, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Merging these two templates would not imply that writers and playwrights are the same thing. There are plenty of general-purpose templates on Wikipedia that serve multiple use-cases. B<b style="color: #FD8F42">L</b><b style="color: #0096FF">A</b><b style="color: black">IXX</b> 22:17, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That "most writers are unable to professionally write plays" does not mean that playwrights are not writers. McDonagh is in the catgory "20th-century British writers". Our category "Dramatists and playwrights" is itslef in the categories "Writers by format" and "Writing occupations". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:22, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * McDonagh is credited with a number of books published. But most reliable sources name him "a playwright" first and foremost. That's his main occupation. And the playwright page explicitly states that "the term is not a variant spelling of the common misspelling "playwrite": the word wright is an archaic English term for a craftsman or builder (as in a wheelwright or cartwright). Hence the prefix and the suffix combine to indicate someone who has "wrought" words, themes, and other elements into a dramatic form - someone who crafts plays. The homophone with "write" is entirely coincidental". I can see how it could be listed as a subcategory of "Writers by...", as it does involve writing, and a number of famous writers contributed to playwright as well. But I still disagree with this categorization, it is based on pure fact that playwright involves writing down some thoughts. But so does computer programming, for example. Or scientific theory. Yet their purpose is completely different. And so does playwright, only it's not that obvious. AveTory (talk) 23:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge. I don't see any issues. Some of those extra parameters in Infobox Playwright seem very susceptible to WP:OR, and perhaps should be dropped, but that can be another discussion. --Bsherr (talk) 19:07, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge. It's seem to be both same and some of the parametres are not defiened in play, if its merged then less maintenance will be required for templates, and precious time can be saved in maintaining other important templates. --Rocky 734 (talk) 01:59, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge - Historically, a great many playwrights have also been poets, novelists, short story writers, essayists and journalists. Nowadays, many people who write for the stage also write for the screen. I don't see how having a separate infobox for playwrights is helpful. Simon Peter Hughes (talk) 04:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
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West Chester Railroad S-line templates
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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure)  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:07, 1 March 2019 (UTC) Deprecated and replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/West Chester Railroad. Mackensen (talk) 15:38, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * West Chester Railroad color
 * West Chester Railroad lines
 * West Chester Railroad stations
 * S-line/West Chester Railroad left/West Chester Railroad
 * S-line/West Chester Railroad right/West Chester Railroad
 * WCRR style
 * Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Copa Truck champions
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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Hhkohh (talk) 14:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC) WP:NENAN. Only one navigable link. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:42, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Copa Truck champions
 * Delete - Main article: Copa Truck is missing and the template only has 2 pairs of links (2 being red links). Articles first, then template. Nigej (talk) 16:37, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete The main article was never created. ― Susmuffin  Talk 22:18, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Mariogoods (talk) 03:43, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Cyanide & Happiness
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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Hhkohh (talk) 14:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC) WP:NENAN : only 3 links. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:00, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Cyanide & Happiness
 * Delete - Only 3 links, 1 a web series based on it, 1 a battle royale based on it, 1 is one of the creators. The battle royale doesn't seem to link from the main article but a "see also" section would be more suitable than a template. Nigej (talk) 16:34, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Links can be contained in parent article; if needed, template can be recreated --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Why was this given a template? &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 22:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I checked the template and found that the template does not format properly. --Mariogoods (talk) 03:42, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Water supply and sanitation in Europe
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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Hhkohh (talk) 12:34, 1 March 2019 (UTC) Template is obsolete. Usages has been replaced with Water supply and sanitation by country. This template could also be generated using Europe topic. Reh man  11:10, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Water supply and sanitation in Europe
 * Delete - Includes Gibraltar but otherwise seems to duplicate Water supply and sanitation by country. Nigej (talk) 12:38, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Use has been replaced --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Because of your reasonable reason. --Mariogoods (talk) 03:38, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have added Gibralter to Water supply and sanitation by country. --Bsherr (talk) 19:11, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
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