Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 June 20



Template:Charlotte 49ers softball coach navbox

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 June 28. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:28, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Charlotte_49ers_softball_coach_navbox
 * Arizona_State_Sun_Devils_softball_coach_navbox
 * Central_Michigan_Chippewas_softball_coach_navbox
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Template:2018–19 Sudan Premier League tables

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC) unused after being merged with the parent article (with attribution) per consensus at WT:FOOTY Frietjes (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * 2018–19 Sudan Premier League tables
 * 2015 Sudan Premier League table
 * 2016 Sudan Premier League table
 * Sudan football standings templates
 * 2013 J.League Division 1 table
 * 2013 Uzbek League table
 * 2013 Campeonato Paulista Série A table
 * 2013 Campeonato Brasileiro Série B table
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 10:39, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
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Speedway in Poland navboxes

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 June 28. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:28, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Team_Speedway_Polish_Championship_seasons
 * Polish_speedway_teams
 * Speedway_Ekstraliga
 * Speedway_Ekstraliga_seasons
 * Speedway_in_Poland
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Template:African Union

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 June 28. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * African_Union
 * Life_in_the_African_Union
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Template:Australian tropical cyclone intensity small

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  03:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC) Unused templates with the same accessibility problems as Saffir-Simpson small (see below). Some of these scales are not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 22:13, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Australian tropical cyclone intensity small
 * BOM Scale small
 * FMS Scale small
 * Not sure what to think about the so called accessibility problems as its not my area of expertise, but would comment that the 3 scales are the same (abr the weaker intensities) and are mentioned on Wikipedia.Jason Rees (talk) 22:27, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Question: Are the scales the same across regions? --Gonnym (talk) 10:48, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nominator Noah Talk 16:29, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - although I have urged keeping the more-used Saffir-Simpson version below while the identified problems are addressed, it is less useful to keep these three. With no transclusions, a good path of action is probably to fix and improve the Saffir-Simpson version, and then (re)create other legends based on it (or possibly extend a single "color legend" template using an option for different scales). —AySz88\ ^ - ^  05:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

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Template:Saffir-Simpson small

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC) Inaccessible and similar in function to Saffir-Simpson scale. See also archived discussions (especially the last comment), below. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 22:08, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Saffir-Simpson small

No code
I removed the HTML code, and replaced it with proper wiki code. I also removed the "mouse over for more details" text, since mousing over the links just gave the link target (which is the same for all links of course). Finally I right-aligned it, which is needed for all its current users (see Category:Tropical_cyclones_by_strength and children). Jdorje 05:51, 15 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Mousing over the cell was supposed to give things like "Tropical Storm, 39–73 mph (63–117 kph)" which makes the template pretty much a complete replacement for Saffir-Simpson-US, though a little less obvious about how to use. If there's some sort of conflict between the tooltips, perhaps the links should be removed instead because Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale is already linked to above the cells. --AySz88 ^  -  ^  00:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree the links should be removed. I've never seen any useful tooltips, either on this table or on the season button bar. Jdorje 00:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Does that mean the tooltips didn't work for you, or you don't think it would be useful? --AySz88 ^ -  ^  00:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I just changed the width so it's consistent across all parent widths, and with a seperate edit re-added the mouseovers (though not the text indicating their existance). The mouseovers can be removed if they're felt to be a problem. --AySz88 ^  -  ^  00:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The tooltips do not work so long as the text is a link. Jdorje 01:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yikes, I wasn't aware of that, that's a big problem for the button bar. Thanks for telling me.  I'm using a Wikipedia plugin-thing that previews a page, so I never noticed. --AySz88 ^  -  ^  01:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Tooltips are inaccessible Web design
As mentioned in above discussion from 2005, content in tooltips is not accessible to everyone. Non-sighted users, keyboard users, and &mdash; especially important in 2018 &mdash; touchscreen users cannot perceive tooltips. Setting the template to nomobile should help, since it's of little use to them, but non-sighted users will still hear meaningless letters and numbers. Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 01:41, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Im not sure that this template is really needed at all. We link to the SSHWS at various points in the articles while the timeline image contains all the windspeeds and colours that this template does. I also note that its sister templates are all Template:Australian tropical cyclone intensity small, Template:BOM Scale small and Template:FMS Scale small are not transcluded anywhere, which makes me wonder even more about it being needed.Jason Rees (talk) 23:53, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete and replace with Saffir-Simpson scale where used. Tooltips / Hover text are indeed not supported by the MOS (see Manual of Style/Accessibility). --Gonnym (talk) 10:52, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - This template was mainly intended as a color legend for maps and tables (such as in 2004_Atlantic_hurricane_season) where a key for the meanings of the colors is desired, but not so much the information about the scale itself. The tooltips inside the template were "nice to have" but not the template's main purpose; if the template is kept, the tooltips and accessibility issues can be addressed separately.
 * For context, at the time the template was made, the use of colors to convey category and strength information was widespread in WikiProject Tropical cyclones, and screen space was scarce: a 800x600 CRT monitor was a plausible use case. With that in mind, Saffir-Simpson scale may not be a drop-in replacement. Some refactoring could create a solution, such as in the aforementioned table, which has a column that explicitly lists the categorization for each storm, obviating the legend.
 * WPTC might still have need of a miniature legend like this, though - for example, I would have expected some transclusions to provide a key for track maps (Wikimedia:Category:Atlantic hurricane tracks). The discussions on tooltips and addition of "nomobile" seems to have muddled the applicability and usage of the template - moving the template (after replacing to zero transclusions) could be an option to allow the project to repair it, or modify it to work better with modern UI. —AySz88\ ^ - ^ 08:29, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

* Delete with no replacement I would suggest simply deleting this template and not replacing it. None of the other season articles have their scales at the top of the effects table, so it isn't needed here. The TC scales page is already linked. One could also view the timeline on the page to see the scale. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 14:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I'm not sure the consistency argument works - one might as well say that the other basins *should be using* their templates more (plus, there are other contexts where this template is used than the effects tables). And Tropical cyclone scales, in the word "category" in the column headers, is a mix of all the basins' scales, not the specific one being used. More broadly, almost by definition this is a brief on-hand alternative to the main place for this information. Usability-wise, removing the ability to have a legend at all seems to be a step backwards and prone to confuse (unless there's a decision to remove color entirely instead). —AySz88\ ^ - ^  05:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - after some more research, I'm getting more convinced that the issues being identified are more shortcomings and lack of maintenance than reasons to delete. The transclusions of this template are indeed at places where the articles have want of a labelling of the colors. I'd suggest that the need here is to address the issues - perhaps a redesign based on or merged with the other instances where a color legend is used, such as in the timelines and track maps, or a merge with some smaller option of Saffir-Simpson scale, in a design without the wind speed columns. (I can't guarantee how quickly the project would address this comprehensively, but seems improper to go to deletion for lack of this work.) —AySz88\ ^ - ^ 05:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep – This template provides another function for using a scaled-down version of the table, just like how the Template:Hurricane infobox small has its own specific purpose separate from that of the larger Hurricane infobox template. This template is also used in a large number of articles with hurricanes/storms that are warned on by the U.S., probably every single hurricane season article with a Season effects table. Any issues with the smaller template as it is can be resolved with maintenance and syntax adjustment (if needed).  Light and Dark2000  🌀 (talk) 06:38, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep (as-is at least) is not a substitute for this one, which is more concise and compact. That is useful for season articles and other articles not specifically about the scale.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:05, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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Template:This user talk
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC) rarely used. Viztor (talk) 16:51, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This user talk
 * Keep since it is used/transcluded. Unless a target to redirect or merge this is found, there's no reason to delete. Steel1943  (talk) 17:23, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It is used by three people, should not it be in User space in this case? Viztor (talk) 11:05, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep per Steel. Userspace templates don't really need the maintenance and watching that mainspace templates do; there's no harm in having this template with a few transclusions if nothing else does the same job.  Nyttend (talk) 00:46, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Question Since when do we need to disambiguate user talk page? If not, should it be marked as humorous material to avoid confusion? Viztor (talk) 11:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * See discussion near the bottom of User talk:Asterion/Archive 11. The point is basically to be a user-talk version of User page, but simpler and oriented toward helping a reader find the article of the same BASEPAGENAME.  Nyttend (talk) 11:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Also it seems it could use for similar things. Viztor (talk) 11:02, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Relisting a discussion in which you've been involved is discouraged. Wait for an uninvolved editor. Retro  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 11:08, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

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Template:Cs1 function
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 June 28. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:30, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Cs1_function
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York Region Transit s-line templates
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The result of the discussion was Delete - F ASTILY   01:28, 28 June 2019 (UTC) templates for York Region Transit and Viva Rapid Transit. Superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/YRT. All transclusions have been replaced. <b style="color: #329604">B</b><b style="color: #FD8F42">L</b><b style="color: #0096FF">A</b>IXX 12:41, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * YRT color
 * YRT stations
 * YRT lines
 * YRT style
 * Delete per nomination. Mackensen (talk) 11:52, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Anamanaguchi
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The result of the discussion was delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 04:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC) The band's navigational template consists of four links: the band's article, one album article and two album redirects back to their band's articles. So there are only two valid links that already link between themselves making this template unnecessary and WP:NENAN. Aspects (talk) 05:18, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Anamanaguchi
 * delete, the articles are already well-connected. Frietjes (talk) 15:13, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, no question that it does not meet navbox guidelines. <b style="color: #329604">B</b><b style="color: #FD8F42">L</b><b style="color: #0096FF">A</b>IXX 20:29, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Amoebic Ensemble
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The result of the discussion was delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 04:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC) The band's navigational template consists of ten links: the band's article, one of the band member's article, six red links to other band members and two album redirects back to the band's article. So there are only two valid links that already link between themselves making this template unnecessary and WP:NENAN. Aspects (talk) 05:11, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Amoebic Ensemble
 * delete, the articles are already well-connected. Frietjes (talk) 15:14, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * delete per navbox guidelines. <b style="color: #329604">B</b><b style="color: #FD8F42">L</b><b style="color: #0096FF">A</b>IXX 13:37, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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