Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 November 15



Template:2010 UFL (Philippines) Division 1 table

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The result of the discussion was delete. czar 00:42, 23 November 2019 (UTC) unused after being merged with the parent article (with attribution) per consensus at WT:FOOTY Frietjes (talk) 14:33, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 2010 UFL (Philippines) Division 1 table
 * 2010 UFL (Philippines) Division 2 table
 * 2011 UFL (Philippines) Division 1 table
 * 2011 UFL (Philippines) Division 2 table
 * 2012 UFL (Philippines) Division 1 table
 * 2012 UFL (Philippines) Division 2 table
 * 2014 UFL (Philippines) Division 1 table
 * 2014 UFL (Philippines) Division 2 table
 * 2015 UFL (Philippines) Division 1 table
 * 2015 UFL (Philippines) Division 2 table
 * 2016 UFL (Philippines) table
 * 2018–19 Elitserien (bandy) table
 * 2017–18 Elitserien (bandy) table
 * 2019–20 TFF First League table
 * 2015–16 Egyptian Second Division Group A table
 * 2015–16 Egyptian Second Division Group B table
 * 2015–16 Egyptian Second Division Group C table
 * 2015–16 Egyptian Second Division Group D table
 * 2015–16 Egyptian Second Division Group E table
 * 2015–16 Egyptian Second Division Group F table


 * Delete. Simply not needed after being merged with parent articles. Might be even a speedy delete per previous similar nominations made by Frietjes. Ben5218 (talk) 15:55, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 11:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 11:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Steven (Editor) (talk) 04:32, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:2019 AFF Futsal Championship Group A

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The result of the discussion was delete. Noting that Template:2019–20 Elitserien (bandy) table was in use in Draft:2019–20 Elitserien (bandy), a stale draft. Happy to restore that template if it enters reuse. czar 00:39, 23 November 2019 (UTC) unused Frietjes (talk) 14:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 2019 AFF Futsal Championship Group A
 * 2019 AFF Futsal Championship Group B
 * Football at the 2018 Asian Games – Men's tournament – Group A
 * 2019–20 Elitserien (bandy) table
 * 2018 Asian Games men's water polo group A standings
 * 2018 Asian Games men's water polo group B standings
 * 2018 Asian Games women's water polo round robin standings
 * 2018 Asian Games water polo convenience template navbox
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 11:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Steven (Editor) (talk) 04:32, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:2018–19 Eastern Counties Football League Division One South table

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The result of the discussion was delete. czar 00:34, 23 November 2019 (UTC) unused after being merged with the parent article (with attribution) per consensus at WT:FOOTY Frietjes (talk) 14:11, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 2018–19 Eastern Counties Football League Division One South table
 * 2018–19 Eastern Counties Football League Division One North table
 * 2018–19 Eastern Counties Football League Premier Division table
 * No problem at all with these three templates being deleted. Thank you,, for embedding them within the parent article.Drawoh46 (talk) 14:24, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 11:01, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 11:03, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Steven (Editor) (talk) 04:32, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:G/O Media

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:G/O Media using Gizmodo Media Group as the base for the merged template. The final name should be G/O Media. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 11:52, 23 November 2019 (UTC) Propose merging Template:G/O Media with Template:Gizmodo Media Group.
 * G/O Media
 * Gizmodo Media Group

Gizmodo Media Group is now G/O Media, however Template:G/O Media is only used in G/O Media page. No needed to create another template.  John123521  ( Talk - Contib. ) 13:09, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect Gizmodo template to G/O's. They're not exactly the same as the subjects are separate entities. If the overlap is significant enough to warrant a merged template, I'd go with G/O. czar  23:10, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: Not seeing why is proposing to redirect with no transclusions on Template:G/O Media. I assumed Gizmodo Media Group renamed itself? Nevertheless, I think we should keep Template:Gizmodo Media Group since it was created first, merge the two, and the consider a rename, without leaving a redirect, to Template:G/O Media.--Doug Mehus  T · C  22:48, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Because there's nothing to merge—what else from the GMG navbox should be included in G/O's? GMG didn't rename itself. It's a different entity that combines GMG's assets with other properties. czar  02:05, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , Ah, thanks. Still, we should preserve the page history for the older Gizmodo Media Group and, since it was created first, it should be surviving entity. We could still perform a round-robin page move to rename Template:Gizmodo Media Group as Template:G/O Media. Doug Mehus T · C  13:44, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirects preserve edit history. It's the simplest way to "merge" the two. czar  00:31, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , Oh, my understanding is that we can also do a talkpage history preservation, but yes, if you're concerned with preserving attribution, I'd have no problem with that. In terms of attribution, I look at how substantive, though, the template is. A simple navbox likely does not need edit history preserved (admins can still restore revisions, as I understand it) whereas a complex template like Template:Archive box should have its attribution preserved. Doug Mehus T · C  00:35, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Template:G/O Media and then Rename Template:Gizmodo Media Group to Template:G/O Media, per above. --Doug Mehus T · C  13:46, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Fashion bloggers

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 22:03, 22 November 2019 (UTC) Fails WP:NAVBOX. Störm  (talk)  09:40, 15 November 2019 (UTC) -- ★ Pikks ★  MsG  10:49, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Fashion bloggers
 * Keep: Please refrain from just giving delete statements or suggestions without explanation. In accordance to WP:AADD and more specifically to WP:JUSTAPOLICY while merely citing a policy or guideline may give other editors a clue as to what the reasoning is, it does not explain specifically how the policy applies to the discussion at hand. When asserting that an article should be deleted, it is important to explain why. The same is true when asserting that something does follow policy. If you really think it has to be deleted, in order to meet the above rules, please explain what part of WP:NAVBOX is not being met here? After you explain your reasons, also please explain why, in accordance to WP:VAGUEWAVE and most specifically please take a position on this sentence "Keep in mind that articles can often be improved, and may not need to be deleted if the specific problems can be identified and corrected"
 * You seems to have no understanding of WP:NAVBOX. Please familiarize yourself with guidlines before introducing your vague/arbitrarily-defined criterias. Störm   (talk)  13:21, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * delete, the criteria for inclusion is complete WP:OR. Frietjes (talk) 15:08, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:NAVBOX: The articles do not refer to each other to a reasonable extent. Navigation between unrelated fashion bloggers is already sufficiently covered by Category:Fashion journalists. If there needs to be a subcat for bloggers, break it out, but I don't see the need right now. czar  23:13, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete though I disagree it fails WP:NAVBOX. I suspect this is just a case of a Wikipedia editor(s) not knowing the correct documentation format. Let's not be too bitey, I think. Still, I don't see a use case for this.--Doug Mehus T · C  22:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Humans (TV series)

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The result of the discussion was keep The keep side's arguments are better supported by policy, since navboxes and categories should not be considered in conflict with each other per WP:CLN. While the advantages and disadvantages section of WP:CLN was cited as an argument to delete there are also arguments to keep in the same section making those arguments largely equivalent. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 13:04, 22 November 2019 (UTC) No need for a navbox, when all the links are accessible straight through one article; basically a duplication (in template format) of List of Humans episodes. -- / Alex /21  00:27, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Humans (TV series)
 * Keep: I don't follow this rationale. The navbox means that when I'm on Series 1, Episode 6 (Humans), in one click I can get to Series 1, Episode 2 (Humans). I don't want to go to List of Humans episodes, wait for the page to load, scroll down roughly the right amount, have to adjust, and then click on the header link to the right episode. What exactly of WP:NAVBOX is not being met here? It's a "small, well-defined group of articles". WP:NAVBOX lists some criteria which most navboxes meet a couple of and this one meet almost all of them: it "relate[s] to a single, coherent subject [...] mentioned in every article", it's true that the articles "refer to each other, to a reasonable extent" and there's a page on the main topic. — Bilorv ( talk ) 09:09, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Nice way to dramatically expand on moving between two articles; go to one article, go to another. That's it. What does this template do that Category:Humans (TV series) episodes does not? Note the Disadvantages section: If simple, can often be replaced with a category. Note that navboxes are not accessible on mobile, so your rationale only applies to desktop users. Navboxes are not necessary for episodes of only a single season. Can you cite similar examples? -- / Alex /21  09:29, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not that simple unless you're intimately familiar with WPTV standards, which 100% of readers (to the nearest whole number) are not. — Bilorv ( talk ) 22:52, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It is that simple. Episodes linked all through a single article? Category. -- / Alex /21  23:48, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Appropriate use of a navbox. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:29, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * delete, the succession links in the infobox are enough. Frietjes (talk) 14:56, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. —Joeyconnick (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Some people prefer navbox navigation to category navigation.  We're not in an either/or situation here, both are appropriate and both service the reader.  212.135.65.247 (talk) 13:30, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Per my comment here. -- / Alex /21  13:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * There is a link to this discussion at the other one. 212.135.65.247 (talk) 13:47, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 08:20, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep These episodes should probably be merged, but that's another matter. I see a use case for this template as each link goes to a separate article.Doug Mehus T · C  22:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Major English-language Science and Technology Magazines

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2019 November 23. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:01, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Major_English-language_Science_and_Technology_Magazines
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