Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 November 9



Template:RFL

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. No opposition. Primefac (talk) 20:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC) While contributing to a related RfD discussion, (and others, including myself) raised a useful question about the usefulness of this template (Template:RFL). So, I thought I'd propose this for discussion, which could include deleting, redirecting to Template:Reflist, keeping, or some other avenue. Doug Mehus (talk) 20:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * RFL
 * Note: Only a single page, a subpage of 's userspace has transcluded this template, which does not seem especially significantly hard to update. Doug Mehus (talk) 20:14, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Pppery/noinclude list (which I think you are talking about) transcludes all pages listed at TfD for technical reasons. The transclusion will go away on its own once this TfD is closed. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:16, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , Oh, interesting. Thanks for clarifying, . Didn't realize it was an auto-generated list you'd had. :) Doug Mehus (talk) 20:17, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The point of the template is to save editors a bit of time when creating a new article: instead of writing  they can write  . Personally, I don't think that the time savings are significant, and the template's existence can lead to confusion (see the linked RfD, where a lower-case version was created as a redirect to Template:Reflist). However, I don't think it should be deleted if people still actively use it; I don't know if they do: there are no transclusions only because the template is subst-only. – Uanfala (talk) 21:31, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , Yeah, I realized that afterward that this template is not to be transcluded. I personally don't think it's that hard to type a "References" section head and "Reflist" in curly braces. It takes what, 5 seconds? Doug Mehus (talk) 23:53, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * We could always delete or soft delete such that WP:REFUND would apply if there were a groundswell of people wondering why their "RFL" template wasn't working? Doug Mehus (talk) 23:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Since I tagged you previously, do you have a strong opinion one way or the other? Doug Mehus (talk) 23:56, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as an unnecessary "shortcut" that saves a mere 12 characters of typing. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:53, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , Thanks. I didn't actually count it out, but I agree, it's not that hard to type "== References ==" and in curly braces. It takes me, maybe, 5 seconds? Doug Mehus  T · C  20:49, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:PetroWagon

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Primefac (talk) 03:30, 17 November 2019 (UTC) Orphaned template for a deleted promotional article (PetroWagon) whose author is blocked for promotional editing. MER-C 17:34, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * PetroWagon
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EFL Trophy standings templates

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The result of the discussion was delete per this discussion and multiple prior discussions Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 12:09, 15 November 2019 (UTC) unused and unnecessary since the team season articles are transcluding the sections from the main article directly. Frietjes (talk) 17:27, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Northern Group A
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Northern Group B
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Northern Group C
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Northern Group D
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Northern Group E
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Northern Group F
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Northern Group G
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 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Southern Group A
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Southern Group B
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 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Southern Group D
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Southern Group E
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 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Southern Group G
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Southern Group H
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy Northern Group A/doc
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy group table mbox
 * 2016–17 EFL Trophy standings templates
 * 2018–19 EFL Trophy Northern Group A
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 * 2018–19 EFL Trophy Northern Group C
 * 2018–19 EFL Trophy Northern Group D
 * 2018–19 EFL Trophy Northern Group E
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 * 2018–19 EFL Trophy Northern Group G
 * 2018–19 EFL Trophy Northern Group H
 * 2018–19 EFL Trophy Southern Group A
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 * 2018–19 EFL Trophy standings templates
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Northern Group A
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Northern Group B
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Northern Group C
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Northern Group D
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Northern Group E
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Northern Group F
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Northern Group G
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Northern Group H
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Southern Group A
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Southern Group B
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Southern Group C
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Southern Group D
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Southern Group E
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Southern Group F
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Southern Group G
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy Southern Group H
 * 2019–20 EFL Trophy standings templates
 * EFL Trophy standings templates
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 10:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 16:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Panathinaikos F.C. squad - 1971 European Cup Final

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The result of the discussion was delete. A reasonable nomination. While consensus can change and, as far as I'm aware, deletion discussions do not necessarily set precedent, the consensus here was unanimous that this template was not helpful. (non-admin closure) Doug Mehus T · C  01:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC) Per past consensus (such as here, here and here), tournament squad navboxes are not used on the club level, only for major international football competitions (World Cup and main continental competitions, men and women). There is also a longstanding consensus to not have championship winning club squad templates in football, as there are too many competitions for this to be viable. Information regarding the squad can already be found at 1970–71 Panathinaikos F.C. season and 1971 European Cup Final. S.A. Julio (talk) 15:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Panathinaikos F.C. squad - 1971 European Cup Final
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 16:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as well. They didn't even win the match. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 03:17, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
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