Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 October 13



Template:Infobox Paris by Night

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The result of the discussion was Refactor. the Paris by Night infobox to function as a "module" or "child infobox" Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:14, 19 November 2019 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Infobox Paris by Night into Template:Infobox television episode.
 * Infobox Paris by Night - just 40 transclusions
 * Infobox television episode - approximately 11,000 transclsuions

Redundant, per prior discussion at Templates for discussion/Log/2015 May 6. Though that closed as no consensus, in June 2015, we were told that a revamp of the more general template, to facilitate such a merge, was in hand. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:21, 19 September 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I vote to merge.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  12:53, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I have tagged the standard television episode template with noinclude tags for this TFD, as it's causing the notification to come up on ~11,000 pages, even though it's not relevant on ~10,960 pages, given that it's just the Paris by Night template that is being considered for merging. -- / Alex /21  04:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge, convert to module instead - As I pointed out at the last TfD, Infobox television episode does not contain a number of parameters that are included in Infobox Paris by Night. These parameters are "executive" (not the same or substitutable by "producer"), mc, filmedat, filmedon, venue and format. That's 6 of the 9 parameters. The TV templates were indeed updated to allow inclusion of other parameters but this is done by using modules rather than adding rarely used, single program specific fields. As Infobox Paris by Night is only used in 41 articles and not the 10,800 that currently use Infobox television episode it would be more appropriate to convert this infobox to a module. That said, it was pointed out at the last TfD that the programs using this infobox are not part of a TV series. Instead, they are essentially standalone events that were filmed and then released on home media. Infobox television is only missing the "format" parameter (it has alternatives to others) but that doesn't seem like a necessary field. Infobox television is missing the navigation between articles present in the episode and season infoboxes but the Paris by Night infobox doesn't include that anyway. With all that said though, since these don't actually appear to have been broadcast on TV so they are not really TV programs and probably shouldn't use TV infoboxes. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 04:32, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - this should be either treated as stand-alone DVD movies and then use Infobox television (or Infobox film), as "episodes" of Paris by Night and use Infobox television episode. Another option is to generalize this template to Infobox live event and then maybe use that in templates like Infobox award's "Television/radio coverage" section. In any case format should be removed as it's basically the home media format it was released on, which no other film or TV infobox uses. --Gonnym (talk) 08:24, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It's worth noting that "format" was a parameter of infobox television for a long time but was eventually removed because it was an ambiguous term that nobody really understood. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 08:57, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:27, 2 October 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There seems to be a consensus that it shouldn't be a standalone template, discussion about the relative merits of a conversion to a module or a merger would be appreciated.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --Trialpears (talk) 18:51, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * convert to a child-box module and then reconsider if there isn't anything useful in the child-box. Frietjes (talk) 12:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Convert to module None of the options here are excellent here but I believe it's the best, primarily per AussieLegend's analysis of the fields that would be inappropriate to add to a parent Infobox. Modules have quite some ordering problems and aren't that convenient, but for such a small infobox its acceptable. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 01:20, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
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Template:Vandalwarn1

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The result of the discussion was redirect to Template:Uw-vandalism1. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 09:52, 20 October 2019 (UTC) It duplicates the existing templates which are found at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace#Vandalism--Biografer (talk) 00:06, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Vandalwarn1
 * Redirect to Template:uw-vandalism1. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:01, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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