Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 August 10



Football squads templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:17, 18 August 2020 (UTC) Clubs no longer exist so don't have squad. Empty templates. No links to player articles. Plays in amateur competitions. Template not updated since 2012. Club dissolved recently. Phoenix club with another name will play in amateur competitions. Club currently either not exists or plays in amateur competitions. Template not updated since 2012. Club expelled last season. Template not updated for 3 years, only 2 links to articles. Clubs dissolved. Phoenix clubs with another names were created. Only 1 link to player articles.
 * FC Dnipro Dnipro squad
 * FC Kamza squad
 * SV Mattersburg squad
 * FC Baku squad
 * FK Khazar Lankaran squad
 * Ravan Baku FC squad
 * Simurq PFC squad
 * PFC Sliven squad
 * PFC Vidima-Rakovski Sevlievo squad
 * FC Dacia Chișinău squad
 * FC Tiraspol squad
 * Energiya Voronezh squad
 * FC Sibir Novosibirsk squad
 * FC Spartak Vladikavkaz squad
 * FC Luch Vladivostok squad
 * FC Armavir squad
 * Lyubimets 2007 squad
 * Veria F.C. squad
 * FK Atlantas squad
 * FC Vereya squad
 * PFC Marek Dupnitsa squad
 * F.C. Verbroedering Dender E.H. squad
 * K.S.C. Lokeren Oost-Vlaanderen squad
 * Akademik Sofia squad
 * PFC Kaliakra Kavarna squad
 * FC Zaria Bălți squad
 * FC Kuban Krasnodar squad
 * PFC Svetkavitsa squad
 * PFC Pirin Gotse Delchev squad
 * OFC Nesebar squad
 * FC Levski Karlovo squad
 * PFC Haskovo squad
 * PSFC Chernomorets Burgas squad

Alex (talk) 22:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom, for reasons of emptiness, lack of use, linked once (can be subst / deleted) or club dissolution.--Tom (LT) (talk) 00:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all - none links, empty tables, dissolved clubs - all these should not have a template. --Gonnym (talk) 12:49, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete all per nom - either out-of-date or for dissolved clubs. GiantSnowman 16:32, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all for all the appropriate reasons mentioned by the nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:08, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Tld

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 August 24. Primefac (talk) 23:20, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Tld
 * Tlc
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Former Royal Families

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 09:58, 18 August 2020 (UTC) All these templates have five or less individuals, severely limiting their usefulness. Albanian Former Royal Family isn't in the template namespace for some reason, but I propose it with the rest. 73.110.217.186 (talk) 22:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Albanian Former Royal Family
 * Ducal Family of Anhalt
 * Grand Ducal Family of Baden
 * French Imperial Family
 * French Royal Family (Legitimist)
 * Hessian Grand Ducal Family
 * Grand Ducal Family of Mecklenburg
 * Montenegrin Royal Family
 * Grand Ducal Family of Oldenburg
 * Ducal Family of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
 * Saxon Royal Family
 * Ducal Family of Schleswig-Holstein
 * Two Sicilies Royal Family
 * Ducal Family of Urach
 * Delete them all. Useless and silly. Smeat75 (talk) 23:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. The point of a navbox, which is what these are, is to provide links between related articles. I see no point in having a navbox with three names and a huge coat of arms. It is nothing but intrusive in the layout. The titles of the templates being fantastically misleading is a special concern. Surtsicna (talk) 13:20, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete all, somewhere between useless and misleading fantasies. —Kusma (t·c) 19:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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Template:RuPaul's Drag Race Seasons

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:00, 18 August 2020 (UTC) Duplicates Template:RuPaul's Drag Race -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * RuPaul's Drag Race Seasons
 * Merge per nom.--Tom (LT) (talk) 00:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as duplicate (as I think there is nothing to merge). --Gonnym (talk) 12:49, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , Correct. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:56, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Purely redundant material; nothing to merge. Armadillo  pteryx  22:03, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - There is nothing to be merged here. Nihlus  20:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - It is so unclear from the current page of the show and from the other template to understand the timeline of all editions and spino-offs. I found this template very useful and finally clear. --Sailko (talk) 14:01, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, even if it wasn't being nominated for deletion, I'd strongly oppose it's inclusion at the TOP OF THE PAGE. I've seen thousand of articles and none used a navigation template like this. --Gonnym (talk) 13:50, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I've never seen a template at the top of the page like this. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per ... well ... anyone above who has said "delete" because I have nothing to add. Steel1943  (talk) 17:49, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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Template:TWN local forecast systems

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC) I thought I was a hot shot in 2008 making navboxes like this. It's unneeded and only used in one article, which now links to the other two anyway. Delete. Raymie (t • c) 20:32, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * TWN local forecast systems
 * Delete per nom.--Tom (LT) (talk) 00:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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Template:LAT TV

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC) This is now a non-defining characteristic of its remaining member articles as a former network. I created this 14 years ago—its time has long since passed. Raymie (t • c) 20:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * LAT TV
 * Delete per nom.--Tom (LT) (talk) 00:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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Scottish League Cup templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC) Templates have been merged into parent articles at 2019–20 Scottish League Cup group stage and 2019–20 Scottish League Cup group stage and are no longer used. See also: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 122. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 18:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2019–20 Scottish League Cup Group A table
 * 2019–20 Scottish League Cup Group B table
 * 2019–20 Scottish League Cup Group C table
 * 2019–20 Scottish League Cup Group D table
 * 2019–20 Scottish League Cup Group E table
 * 2019–20 Scottish League Cup Group F table
 * 2019–20 Scottish League Cup Group G table
 * 2019–20 Scottish League Cup Group H table
 * 2019–20 Scottish League Cup best runners-up table
 * 2020–21 Scottish League Cup Group A table
 * 2020–21 Scottish League Cup Group B table
 * 2020–21 Scottish League Cup Group C table
 * 2020–21 Scottish League Cup Group D table
 * 2020–21 Scottish League Cup Group E table
 * 2020–21 Scottish League Cup Group F table
 * 2020–21 Scottish League Cup Group G table
 * 2020–21 Scottish League Cup Group H table
 * 2020–21 Scottish League Cup best runners-up table
 * Delete per nom, once they've all been transcluded into the club season articles. Boothy m (talk) 22:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Subts and delete per nom.--Tom (LT) (talk) 00:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Subst (if still needed) and delete. --Gonnym (talk) 12:49, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 16:32, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Archive banner

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Archives. Consensus to convert Archive banner into a wrapper, but not to substitute/replace usages. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:12, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Close amended following discussion; consensus for a clear merge. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 16:12, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Propose merging Template:Archive banner with Template:Archives.
 * Archive banner
 * Archives

Didn't realize Template:Archive banner existed until today. Almost redundant to Template:Archives. Add a parameter to Template:Archives such as  to allow Template:Archives the option to visually appear as Template:Archive banner currently does, and then all the functionality of one is now in the other. Steel1943 (talk) 17:36, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I use archives on my talk page and am fine with any solution that lets me continue to do so, ideally without setting a parameter. --BDD (talk) 18:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, if the merge occurs in the way I'm stating, the existing transclusions of Archives should not be affected in any way. Steel1943  (talk) 18:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's what I thought. Mostly wanted to leave a future-proof comment since I don't plan to watch this discussion (ping me if needed). --BDD (talk) 18:54, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Does it make sense to merge together templates that work in widely different ways? -- Guerillero &#124;  Parlez Moi  18:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It does not, which is why I am requesting this merge ... because the two templates work very similarly. Steel1943  (talk) 18:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:CONSOLIDATE. If we don't want to affect the display of existing instances, then we can turn Archive banner into a wrapper of Archives. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 19:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I am unsure what the finished product will look like and at present I do not use, or want a banner. So I would oppose a proposal which would cause my talk page archives to change. Wm335td (talk) 21:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's not what this proposal is for, but the exact opposite. If you are using Archives on your talk page (which I see you are), nothing will change. This proposal is to merge contents into Archives that will not affect how any of the uses of Archives appear, including yours. Nothing of yours will change. Steel1943  (talk) 21:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment if merged it should use the name "archives" and not "archive banner" (or perhaps "archives box"). The presentation should be set by a switch. -- 65.94.169.16 (talk) 21:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, which is partially why I'm proposing that Archive banner be merged into Archives ... which will retain the "Archives" template name. However, to make the "banner" setting appear, it will need to be done by a switch, as proposed above; having no switch (in other words, the default setting) would make the template appear as Archives currently does. Also, FWIW, currently, the amount of transclusions of Archives vs. Archive banner is about 50 to 1. Steel1943  (talk) 22:01, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Reduce the dozens of archive related templates to make it easier for editors to use and maintain these. --Gonnym (talk) 22:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Archive banner doesn't seem to work with the nested Archives by months (as Archives does), which I – and probably other editors with extensive archives – find useful. "Almost redundant" isn't "redundant". Struck through after 's clarification below, with apologies for not reading the proposal closely enough. Hope the merge doesn't break Archives by months, though.  Mini  apolis  23:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * this would merge Archive banner into Archives, so unless you want a template that doesn't work with Archives by months, I don't see what the problem is. Elliot321 (talk &#124; contribs) 00:56, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. I'm convinced that having a single template with a parameter is easier to use and maintain than separate templates. I'm all for standardisation with a view to ease of use for this sort of thing.--Tom (LT) (talk) 00:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom & WP:CONSOLIDATE. 0qd (talk) 02:26, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Conditional support only if there is a way - a bot can do this - for editors currently using the banner to have their banner usage automatically converted to the newly merged template with the banner option turned on i.e., editors currently using the banner won't see an aesthetic change. (If a bot does this then it would also be nice to drop a short, friendly note in the same User Talk pages to let those editors know about this rather inconsequential change.) ElKevbo (talk) 14:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course that would have to happen, possibly by replacing instances of  (or one of its redirects) replaced with   (or one of its redirects) of the " " parameter is used as mentioned in my nomination statement.  Steel1943  (talk) 17:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'd like to point out that I don't archive in a fixed pattern. Personally, I like being able to archive my own messages, so this is a bit troubling. -User:DanTD (talk) 12:04, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. This has nothing to do with a bot archiving your messages. Also, both templates in this discussion are already set up to allow custom lists, so I'm not sure what the concern is. Steel1943  (talk) 16:23, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I completely second this. Gug01 (talk) 17:39, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and WP:CONSOLIDATE —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 17:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support I'm usually a mergist, and I see no reason to make an exception now. I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me with &#123;&#123;U&#125;&#125; after replying off my talk page. Thank you. 02:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Support as long as we add a new "banner" parameter as specified by 's first post about this template merger. F r i e n d  5 0 5  22:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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Template:2020 Allsvenskan table

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC) not needed after template moved to 2020 Allsvenskan Boothy m (talk) 15:41, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2020 Allsvenskan table
 * Why do this? All league tables have their own templates. This will also break club season articles linked to template page. Rupert1904 (talk) 16:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The consensus at WT:FOOTY is to include tables in the season articles (easier to spot vandalism etc). All league tables do not have their own templates - as you'll see from previous seasons, e.g. 2019 Allsvenskan. And don't worry, I've already fixed the club season articles which use the template by transcluding the table :) Boothy m (talk) 18:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 10:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete templates not needed as the table can be transcluded from other Wikipedia articles. Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 10:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Template:2020–21 Czech First League table
<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC) not needed after template moved to 2020–21 Czech First League Boothy m (talk) 15:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 2020–21 Czech First League table
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 10:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete templates not needed as the table can be transcluded from other Wikipedia articles. <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 10:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Kusanda Family
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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Author blanked, WP:G7'd.. GeneralNotability (talk) 19:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC) Appears to be a family tree entry with no encyclopedic value.  Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 10:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Kusanda Family
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Template:Debbarma Family
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G11 by AnomieBOT ⚡  15:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC) Appears to be a family tree entry with no encyclopedic value.  Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 10:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Debbarma Family
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Template:LRT Bandar Utama-Klang Line
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:LRT Bandar Utama-Klang Line. Along the lines of Procrastinating. Izno (talk) 20:23, 22 August 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:LRT Bandar Utama-Klang Line with Template:Bandar Utama-Klang Line.
 * LRT Bandar Utama-Klang Line
 * Bandar Utama-Klang Line

same RDT for Bandar Utama–Klang line. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:40, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.--Tom (LT) (talk) 00:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge; keep LRT Bandar Utama-Klang Line. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 03:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Clearly needs a merge, but the question is which template to keep and what to do about the remaining differences (like line numbers, title)–if not resolved here, probably wouldn't get resolved on the dead talk anytime soon. I think keep LRT Bandar Utama-Klang Line, since it looks much tidier and better designed. Interestingly, this is also the one that has no transclusions. If Bandar Utama–Klang line is at all reliable, the 'line prefix' should be BK, not S (eg BK12, not S12), so the latter template may be more reliable in terms of data. So at a glance, and in summary, I'd say merge into the former copying the data from the latter, but I have no experience in this subject. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:23, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
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