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Template:Grand Ducal Family of Tuscany

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) TheTVExpert (talk) 15:52, 6 August 2020 (UTC) This bulky navigational sidebar has dozens of living private citizens (WP:BLPNAME), likely including many minors, but only a total of five blue links. It also attributes defunct styles and titles to them that, depending on where they live, are illegal to claim. JoelleJay (talk) 03:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Grand Ducal Family of Tuscany

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 * These seem like cleaning suggestions, not template-deletion suggestions. Can you clarify which you think should lead to deletion? I've removed the non links per WP:NAV. NENAN says 5 is reasonable, so we're more or less good there. --Izno (talk) 06:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking into it more, it seems that none of these people are or were grand dukes of Tuscany, as the duchy was dissolved in 1860, before any of them were born. "Grand Ducal Family of Tuscany" could maybe be moved to "Descendants of Grand Dukes of Tuscany" or "Members of the Tuscany line of Habsburg-Lorraine", I guess, but should not be a Europe royal family template since they are not royalty. Alternatively, it could be repurposed to include only those people who were Grand Dukes of Tuscany, and then remove those people from the Tuscan princes template (which I will also be cleaning up shortly). The template is also only transcluded in 2/5 pages. JoelleJay (talk) 17:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Izno's comment and the template has been cleaned. There are sources supporting peoples membership of the Grand Ducal Family and its a useful aid for readers to link the living members of the family that articles exist for. - dwc lr (talk) 10:46, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete- the positions were abolished in 1860!!!before any of the people listed were born! This sort of stuff is absurd fantasy.Smeat75 (talk) 20:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or possibly rename: I'm convinced this template as I've cleaned it is insufficient even still per JJ. I have no issue with either of the two options. --Izno (talk) 21:06, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Current form is lacking in utility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.169.44 (talk) 00:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment the following templates for non-reigning royal families probably should also be looked at: Template:Albanian Royal Family, Template:Ducal Family of Anhalt, Template:Grand Ducal Family of Baden, Template:Bulgarian Royal Family, Template:French Imperial Family, Template:French Royal Family (Legitimist), Template:French Royal Family (Orléanist), Template:Greek Royal Family, Template:Hanoverian Royal Family, Template:Hessian Grand Ducal Family, Template:Italian Royal Family, Template:Princely Family of Ligne, Template:Grand Ducal Family of Mecklenburg, Template:Montenegrin Royal Family, Template:Grand Ducal Family of Oldenburg, Template:Ducal Family of Parma, Template:Portuguese Royal Family, Template:Romanian Royal Family, Template:Russian Imperial Family, Template:Ducal Family of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Template:Grand Ducal Family of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, Template:Saxon Royal Family, Template:Ducal Family of Schleswig-Holstein, Template:Thurn und Taxis, Template:Two Sicilies Royal Family, Template:Ducal Family of Urach, Template:Yugoslav Royal Family, Template:Georgian Royal Family (Mukhrani), Template:Iranian Imperial Family, Template:Lao Royal Family, Template:Nepalese Royal Family, Template:Burmese Royal Family, Template:Egyptian Royal Family, Template:Imperial Family of Ethiopia, and Template:Libyan Royal Family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:300:B610:E86F:930:66BE:734 (talk) 00:35, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:01, 15 July 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment pages for the former Austrian, Prussian, and Bavarian royal families have already been deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:300:B610:788B:B6C:51C3:6335 (talk) 13:06, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Same IP editor ad before, while I still support delete, given the removal of unlinked entries on some of the other templates mentioned, perhaps they should be deleted as well due to limited utility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:300:B610:FCCF:3D85:383A:F998 (talk) 02:10, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Comment with only four names listed, it doesn't seem all that useful as a template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.110.217.186 (talk) 22:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete POV-pushes the idea that this family is still royal, despite Italy being a republic (t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:12, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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ABS-CBN navboxes

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The result of the discussion was delete per this discussion and prior discussions Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 12:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC) We don't need to use navboxes to list every single show that has ever been produced by a network. Connection between the series are generally tangential. We have ABS-CBN (original programming) for the original programming, and whilst that is also probably unnecessary, that should suffice. We don't have entire navboxes devoted to CBS drama series or ABC comedy shows, etc. This can all be dealt with by categories and lists. TheHotwiki (talk) 13:10, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ABS-CBN comedy shows
 * ABS-CBN current affairs shows
 * ABS-CBN documentary & magazine shows
 * ABS-CBN drama anthologies
 * ABS-CBN drama series
 * ABS-CBN game shows
 * ABS-CBN informative shows
 * ABS-CBN kid-oriented shows
 * ABS-CBN newscast shows
 * ABS-CBN reality shows
 * ABS-CBN talk shows
 * ABS-CBN variety shows
 * ABS-CBN youth-oriented shows
 * Merge the data on these templates into List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN.  Hiwilms   Talk   14:33, 12 July 2020 (UTC)  Delete, but only after the shows listed on these templates are transferred to List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN because there are differences in the data.   Hiwilms   Talk   18:27, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: The shows on these templates are already on the List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN.  Hiwilms   Talk   11:34, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, no consensus. CruzRamiss2002 (talk) 11:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You're not supposed to expect a consensus with just one vote before you.  Hiwilms   Talk   18:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, I am okay with the deletion because we already have numerous templates plus there is a devoted list page for it. — Nicco18 (talk) 04:11, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Are the shows listed on these templates already on the List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN? Could you please help verify? Thanks.  Hiwilms   Talk   08:03, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes they are. All previous shows by the network are finally in one article.TheHotwiki (talk) 23:07, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for confirming. I couldn't really dedicate much time here at the moment since we only have 3 weeks remaining for this term/quarter. Maybe this could proceed as "delete", now that the target pages are already merged.  Hiwilms   Talk   11:34, 20 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per prior discussion, and the content has been merged into the list article. much easier to keep one list article up-to-date vs. a dozen navboxes. Frietjes (talk) 16:09, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep: Almost all of ABS-CBN shows are aired through it's cable channel Kapamilya Channel, even TV Patrol is aired on ABS-CBN News Channel. Their shows like, Pamilya Ko and Make It With You are cancelled so objecting this deletion. Maybe I shall ping about possible deletion of ABS-CBN show templates. --2600:6C4E:580:A:990:B8F5:9F89:22B8 (talk) 18:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There's no need for these templates. There are already two articles for these – List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN and List of programs broadcast by Kapamilya Channel  Hiwilms   Talk   20:28, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheTVExpert (talk) 16:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The numerous similar templates for the shows of GMA Network were deleted last year. So these templates should be deleted as well.TheHotwiki (talk) 11:05, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheTVExpert (talk) 21:41, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't find these templates helpful at all. Looking at WP:NAVBOX, these fail 3 out of 5 of the guidelines: They don't refer to each other; except for the drama template, none have an article on the subject (List of ABS-CBN drama series) and almost no read will be looking to jump from Hiwaga sa Bahay na Bato to Love Thy Woman. Additionally, these templates become huge and offer no real value (as plain text and references shouldn't be in it), while the list article should be used to give context. Also, there is also ABS-CBN (original programming), which means that these templates don't list original programming, if that is the case, then the content itself is questionable. --Gonnym (talk) 07:28, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and agree with Gonnym on WP:NAVBOX guidelines; subject of each navbox isn't established independently -- AquaDTRS (talk) 19:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Fbml

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC) This template family is for making a football match lineup which is usually done using normal wikitables. In fact the templates are only used on one page (2016 Kenyan Super Cup). I asked at WT:FOOTY if we should start using templates here or not and the one person who responded at the time of writing this did not think so. I'm happy to defer to people who are actually writing football articles though. --Trialpears (talk) 19:53, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Fbml
 * Football match line-up header
 * Football match line-up mid
 * Football match line-up end
 * Football match line-up manager
 * Football match line-up substitutes
 * Football match line-up player
 * Football match line-up kits
 * Note: Football match line-up kits has a few more transclusions than the one mentioned above, but since it's just a wrapper for Football kit there would be no issues with substituting this one. If anyone thinks discussion on this should be split from the others feel free to do so. --Trialpears (talk) 19:58, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 20:07, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, not used and I see no point when standard wiki table formatting suffices. GiantSnowman 20:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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Template:DYKED

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the template's undeletion. Primefac (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2020 (UTC) I am almost certain this is not being used or someone would have noticed that it has been broken since 29 September 2016. Frietjes (talk) 18:24, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * DYKED
 * Delete per nom, unused -- AquaDTRS (talk) 19:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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