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Warsaw

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 April 2. Primefac (talk) 01:26, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Districts_of_Warsaw
 * Białołęka
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Bemowo
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Bielany
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Mokotów
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Ochota
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Praga-Północ
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Praga-Południe
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Rembertów
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Śródmieście,_Warsaw
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Targówek
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Ursus,_Warsaw
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Ursynów
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Wawer
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Wesoła
 * Neighbourhoods_of_Wilanów
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 * Neighbourhoods_of_Wola
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Warsaw landmarks

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Culture in Warsaw. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 17:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC) Redundant to the new Template:Culture in Warsaw. Kochas (talk) 01:14, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Warsaw landmarks
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Template:German law section

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 April 2. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 17:19, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * German_law_section
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Template:Seneca the Younger's plays

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Seneca the Younger. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Seneca the Younger's plays with Template:Seneca the Younger.
 * Seneca the Younger's plays
 * Seneca the Younger

Duplicate content. Redundancy. PPEMES (talk) 19:40, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Lean support. All the content of this template seems to be in the main Seneca template, and that's not too big.  P Aculeius (talk) 13:43, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Supporting merging Both templates deal with the same subject after all. Accesscrawl (talk) 03:38, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Milecastles

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Hadrian's Wall. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Milecastles with Template:Hadrian's Wall forts.
 * Milecastles
 * Hadrian's Wall forts

Surely these contents are too close not to consider a merge? PPEMES (talk) 19:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge - Suggest under the name 'Forts & Structures of Hadrian's Wall'. Forts being merged into the Milecastles template, positioned above existing blocks. Sammy_r (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * "Hadrian's Wall structures" is shorter and fully inclusive of all types; "Hadrian's Wall" would probably suffice. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:35, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge into Hadrian's Wall per Andy. More inclusive name, more intuitive, easy to add onto.  P Aculeius (talk) 12:13, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Provinces of Roman Anatolia

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 March 31. Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:55, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Provinces_of_Roman_Anatolia
 * Roman_provinces_AD_117
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Template:Ancient monuments in Rome
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Ancient monuments in Rome with Template:Infobox monument.
 * Ancient monuments in Rome
 * Infobox monument

Is it really motivated with a specific, separate template like that? PPEMES (talk) 19:08, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Do not merge Different types of monuments. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Merge as per Pigsonthewing. Puddleglum  2.0 (How's my driving?) 19:40, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Maury family tree
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 April 2. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:20, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Roman religion (festival)
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:20, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Roman religion (festival) with Template:Roman religion.
 * Roman religion (festival)
 * Roman myth (mortal)
 * Roman myth
 * Pontifices Maximi
 * Ancient Roman religion horizontal
 * Roman religion

Would it be possible to collect this information into one single template? C.f. Template:Anglo-Saxon paganism, Template:Norse paganism topics etc. PPEMES (talk) 18:38, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Existing templates are appropriately scoped; a merged version would be too large. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:13, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Nikkimaria. There's something to be said for limiting the size of templates like this.  P Aculeius (talk) 13:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Ancient Tiber bridges
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 March 31. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:55, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ancient_Tiber_bridges
 * Roman_bridges
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Template:Roman bridges
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Roman bridges with Template:Roman roads.
 * Roman bridges
 * Roman roads

Would be possible and desirable to merge this into some "Roman roads and bridges by contemporary country" kind of template? PPEMES (talk) 18:28, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Existing templates are appropriately scoped; a merged version would be too large. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:13, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Nikkimaria. The bridges template is quite large; adding a large section that doesn't deal with bridges wouldn't make sense, and you wouldn't want to mix roads in with the various regions; it doesn't help that most of them would go under Italy.  P Aculeius (talk) 13:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Late Anatolian Roman provinces
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Late Anatolian Roman provinces with Template:Late Roman provinces.
 * Late Anatolian Roman provinces
 * Late Roman provinces

Same time period? PPEMES (talk) 18:23, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose: I'm generally not a big fan of mergers. I created Late Anatolian Roman provinces 8 yrs ago, and as I state there, it was intended to be a subset of Roman provinces. Surely the latter can simply link to the former. We don't need to clutter up pages dealing with Roman Anatolia with lists of provinces covering the entire Roman Empire! (as long as navigation between the two is relatively simple) Are there separate templates for other prefectures or dioceses? --Michael Goodyear ✐  ✉  20:40, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Michael Goodyear. If the smaller one links to the larger, I think that'd be enough; it's big enough by itself, and it looks useful to limit the scope of a template to related topics, even though larger templates are available to cover the entire empire.  P Aculeius (talk) 14:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Epochs of Roman Emperors
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Epochs of Roman Emperors with Template:Roman Emperors.
 * Epochs of Roman Emperors
 * Roman Emperors

Redundant duplification? With just a couple of links needing merge? PPEMES (talk) 18:13, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose merge. There's little duplication going on (the five major epochs figure in both, that's all). Other than that, the "Emperors" template is only suitable for biographical articles of individual emperors, and the "Epochs" template is only suitable for articles on epoch subdivisions (e.g. Year of the Six Emperors, which should *not* have a template with hundreds of names of individual emperors spreading over 15 centuries).
 * The "Emperors" template is also fairly unworkable for size and number of links, and I'd propose to split it, at least in two separate templates, but probably better in four or five separate navboxes, no more than one per major subdivision of the epochs. --Francis Schonken (talk) 20:20, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Francis Schonken. The Roman Emperors template is quite large, and useful in its way, although I agree that it might benefit from splitting.  There are a few ways to do this, but I would suggest following Michael Grant's approach, and splitting it at 476, so that the earlier list includes both eastern and western emperors through the fall of the Western Empire.  The eastern emperors on this list could also be in the other template; I don't think a slight overlap would hurt anything.  P Aculeius (talk) 14:06, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Template:The Jackson 5 singles
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:The Jackson 5 singles with Template:The Jackson 5.
 * The Jackson 5 singles
 * The Jackson 5

Could this material somehow be merged? PPEMES (talk) 18:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Existing templates are appropriately scoped; a merged version would be too large. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:57, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose merge. The resulting template would be rather unwieldy. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 14:49, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Family tree
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Tree chart As usual great care should be taken when implementing the merger. This result does not include merging or deleting any of the involved wrapper templates and if that is desired a new discussion should be started. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 01:44, 7 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Family tree with Template:Tree chart.
 * Family tree
 * Tree chart

It says in the top of Template:Family tree that it is "deprecated", and that "Please use Template:Tree chart instead". However, I can't identify a proper merge request having been carried out for this purpose. Could this request be of help to get one step closer? Please note that there are wrapper templates belonging to both main templates. See also: Template:Tree_chart. PPEMES (talk) 17:56, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: I don't know what would change with the proposed merge, but the decision should come fast, because the template for discussion is messing with the family trees. See here for example. T8612  (talk) 18:24, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ouch! Agricolae (talk) 20:12, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge - they basically accomplish the exact same thing. Agricolae (talk) 20:12, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear since the proposal isn't explicit, I think Template:Tree chart is the better one, so Template:Family tree should be merged into it. Agricolae (talk) 08:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. What's the real reason of merging? The family trees should be kept separate because they give a quick and clear overwiew of the family members (like infoboxes or categories), while in the article itself they are often hidden and lost within content. Furthermore, the articles of notable families are often very large and the family tree chart at the end of an article would unnecessary make it even larger. -- Silve  rije  00:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * This seems to misunderstand the proposal. There are currently two separate templates, Template:Family tree and Template:Tree chart (renamed a year ago from Template:Chart, which I didn't even know had happened until right now) that do exactly the same thing, make family tree-like charts that look exactly the same, but with minor differences in the coding.  It is easier to keep track of the specific code for just one, rather than having to learn two different ones (and if you are like me, keep them straight rather than mistakenly using the code specific to one tree type on the other template, then having to redo it).  There have also been several times when I have wanted to make a new tree by combining aspects of two existing trees, but I couldn't without a whole lot more work replacing code because they happened to have been made with the two different templates. Any useful trees (and any unnecessary ones) will still be in the same place they were before, just coded uniformly. Agricolae (talk) 08:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I partially misunderstood the proposal, because I didn't notice what happened to Trpimirović family tree until the day before yesterday (it was merged with the article). But still, Agricolae, are you sure that two separate templates, Template:Family tree and Template:Tree chart, are exactly the same thing, as you said? For instance, I've seen a "Tree chart" of the Family tree of Chinese monarchs (late) and it doesn't look exactly the same as many Family trees, but different. It's not called "Tree chart of Chinese monarchs" but "Family tree of Chinese monarchs"! I'm not a fan of mergers, especially when they cause misunderstanding. There is a Category:Family tree templates, but I haven't found a Category:Tree chart templates. Am I wrong? As for me, Template:Family tree is clear and understandable, while Tree chart is not. There is a Category:Charts, which is much larger (for financial, statistical and other purposes). The existing Template:Family tree is appropriately scoped and should be kept. I'm not sure what should be done with Template:Tree chart and whether a proposed merged version would be appropriate. -- Silve  rije  00:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If you want to label a tree created with Template:Chart tree "Family tree of Chinese monarchs (late)", you can do that the same way you give a title to a tree created with the Family tree template. If you want a Category:Family tree templates to point to pedigrees made with Template:Chart tree pedigrees, that is just as easy to do as to have the category point to Template:Family tree pedigrees.  If the name Template:Family tree is preferable, then we can consider giving a merged single template that name, but is it really worth having two separate templates to make the same type of chart just because one person who uses it to make family trees wants it to be called Template:Family tree, while another using it to make organizational charts wants it to have a different name?  If you think people making a family tree with it are more likely to search for the Template under the name Template:Family tree, a simple redirect takes care of that.  To answer your question, they are not exactly the same thing, but they do exactly the same thing, but they use code that is just different enough to trip you up and make merging trees made with the two different templates inconvenient, when instead we could have a single unified template, whatever name it is given. Agricolae (talk) 01:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, I thought that was evident from the proposal. Thanks anyway. And if support here is evident, if the top note of this nomination affects lots of pages disproportionately, perhaps a snowball close could be motivated for this case? PPEMES (talk) 08:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge - I agree with Agricolae. They do the same thing. Thanks, Johannes Schade (talk) 07:54, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Replace as a merge seems to be not needed here (but count this as a support for "merge"). Family tree is marked as deprecated for ~2.5 years with a note to use Tree chart. There is no reason to support duplicate code bases, where one is apparently inferior. --Gonnym (talk) 09:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Migrate and Delete It is not clear to me how this proposal would be implemented. The syntax of the two templates is different, see: Template:Tree_chart. Because the syntax is different and incompatible, there is no way to merge the templates with out either breaking some trees that use one or other of the templates, or including an additional parameter to distinguish which syntax is being used, but that would be little different from having two separate templates. Currently there are 2593 transclusions for Template:Family tree and 4218 transclusions for Template:Tree chart. I suggest that rather than merge the templates, all 2593 uses of Family tree be found, tested for compatibility with Tree chart and if necessary the changes noted in "Migration from familytree" be made. Once the transclusions for Family tree are reduced to 0, Family tree could be deleted. Tango Mike Bravo (talk) 11:57, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep but delete later I completely agree. There are so many different pages with the two templates that merging them into one quickly would be impossible. Their code is written completely differently. It's definitely not the best, but I think 's idea is much better; slowly integrating tree chart into all of the family tree templates (or vice versa) on articles and then deleting family tree altogether — Yours, Bᴇʀʀᴇʟʏ  • Talk∕Contribs 10:41, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That logic is exactly what the Templates for discussion/Holding cell is for. --Gonnym (talk) 12:10, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The migration described was always going to have to happen as part of the merge process - I certainly wasn't suggesting that we just dump all of the trees made with the family tree template. Whether we decide to call what we are doing 'merging', begin migrating and then close down the disused template, or call it 'not merging yet' and nonetheless begin migrating and then close down the disused template seems little more than a semantic distinction, except that without the formal decision to merge (when the migration is complete) little progress is likely to be made: by closing this as Keep or No Consensus, it could be seen as a lack of mandate to change anything. Agricolae (talk) 17:59, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge privided it means Migrate and Delete. With Agricolae's description of what merge means in this case, I am for making this change, but I think calling the process merge could lead to someone trying to merge the code bases, which I think would be a mistake. Tango Mike Bravo (talk) 12:36, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Possible Summary This is one persons attempt to summarise the discussion. This discussion should be closed quickly. Proposed result: The result of the discussion was Merge on the understanding that all uses of Template:Familytree will be migrated to using Template:Tree chart after which Template:Familytree will be deleted / replaced with a redirect to Template:Tree chart. Tango Mike Bravo (talk) 12:52, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. PPEMES (talk) 12:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge and delete per nom and intended template documentation. Easier to have a single consistent template. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. I previously initiated a successful merge of previously scattered and competing templates preceding Template:Ahnentafel. Two main where first merged, and the the small embedded tempaltes where too. Perhaps also the future merge Template:Tree chart might also benefit from merging with its satellite embedd templates likewise for convenience? PPEMES (talk) 16:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Ripper victims
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The result of the discussion was Delete the sidebar.
 * Delete Template:Ripper victims
 * Keep Template:Jack the Ripper
 * Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 19:22, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Propose merging Template:Ripper victims with Template:Jack the Ripper.
 * Ripper victims
 * Jack the Ripper

That's one small sidebar. Better keep it together in the navbar? PPEMES (talk) 17:46, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete the former as redundant; all five entries are already in the latter. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:52, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Ripper victims as Andy is correct. No need for duplicate templates. Keep articles less cluttered when possible. --Gonnym (talk) 09:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Ripper victims as per reasons already outlined above. It is redundant. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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Template:PlayboyPlaymateTimeHeader
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:PlayboyPlaymateTimeHeader with Template:Playboy Playmates by year.
 * PlayboyPlaymateTimeHeader
 * Playboy Playmates by year

See below. If necessary, decades could be rendered in row sections in the merged destination template. PPEMES (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The Decade header one is for categories and not articles. These templates should never be on the same pages. That said, the category template is not in use, so if it's not needed, delete. --Gonnym (talk) 09:09, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Playboy Playmate template list
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Playboy Playmates by year. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Playboy Playmate template list with Template:Playboy Playmates by year.
 * Playboy Playmate template list
 * Playboy Playmates by year

One template location for this information should suffice? PPEMES (talk) 17:29, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - exact same template. Can support the nested template if needed. --Gonnym (talk) 09:09, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:US Army tabs with Template:US Army badges.
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Seems like we could use a template which collects this all together? PPEMES (talk) 17:10, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose That's definately possible. But not all tabs are badges, and very few badges are tabs. Which makes the merging slightly odd. Do we duplicate the awards that are both tabs and badges on the same template in both categories? Plus, as it stands now, the badge template is a large bottom of entry template whereas the tab template is a narrow column template that appears in the top right of entries. Merging them would require us to bury the badge info in the giant bottom-of-entry badge template and think that would be a real loss to the nice tight tab template that figures on the tab entries. Lastly, tabs and badges are different awards in the US Army. Really, the only reason tabs appear as badges is because on dress uniforms sometimes the tab patches don't appear so they had to invent a way to include the tabs on those uniforms as badges. The Army's use of 'tabs' as a unique form of award seems odd, but it really is its own unique thing seperate from badges or medals or unit patches and I don't think conflating the tab template with the badge template is the best decision (although, it isn't a terrible idea. I see the thinking.). Atfyfe (talk) 00:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose: I agree with Atfyfe's statement above. --McChizzle (talk) 15:52, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete after substitution Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 18:01, 3 April 2020 (UTC) Contents may better be merged into Awards and decorations of the United States Armed Forces. PPEMES (talk) 16:49, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:08, 5 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Aristotelian logic with Template:Aristotelianism.
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Would a merged template make sense? PPEMES (talk) 14:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Nest instead of merging It is possible to nest one navbar template inside another. At most I would recommend nesting the logic template inside the main one. That way the logic articles would appear on all Aristotelianism template pages, but the Aristotelian logic pages would not be overburdened with the Aristotelianism entries.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose nesting. No current opinion on the actual merge proposal. The above nesting proposal is meaningless, as it will just act like two separate templates, just in the same page. The content is either relevent to all pages in the template or not relevant to all pages. --Gonnym (talk) 12:02, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I am not as familiar with how the wikiproject philosophy likes to do things, and already got my wrist slapped for adding navboxes to the articles I added to it (I thought that was the point of a navbox), so leaving my vote open, but it seems to me there are too many articles on Aristotelian metaphysics and so forth to not have a separate one for all the term logic. Also, his logic is dead, while not so for other aspects of his philosophy, hence the 'modern' part (though it should probably read 'contemporary', modern has a specific use in history of philosophy and it doesn't mean now). I would probably be for making an "Aristotelians" template, to remove the bloated "Followers" section. I suppose I'm a splitter rather than a lumper.  Cake  (talk) 14:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose merging into a super template makes these articles harder to reader. Aristotilean logic is notable enough to get its own navbox and its certainly adequately populated. I don't see a convincing reason to merge.--Tom (LT) (talk) 23:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Ancient Greek schools of philosophy. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Presocratics with Template:Ancient Greek schools of philosophy.
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Someoverlap, although may result in a disproportionately enlarged destination section. Yet, would it still be considerable per WP:NOTFINISHED with regards to the other sections in the destination template? PPEMES (talk) 14:28, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Support On the condition that the Template:Ancient Greek schools of philosophy maintains the current layout of Template:Presocratics whereby philosophers are organised by school of philosophy. I'd be happy to add and organise Socratic and Hellenistic philosophers so to balance it out. Mugsalot (talk) 16:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that would be great! PPEMES (talk) 20:21, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Support the distinction between these two templates is unclear. Also I'm not sure what the significance of Italian philosopers is given this is in a pre formation of Italy time period.--Tom (LT) (talk) 23:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:51, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Tactile illusions with Template:Optical illusions.
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Would it be an idea to merge these contents into a Template:Illusions? PPEMES (talk) 14:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose The optical illusions template already links to other templates. Both Template:Auditory illusions and Template:Optical illusions contain a lot of examples and a lot of detail about two very different topic areas. I think a generalized "illusions" template would be more confusing and less useful than what we currently have. HouseOfChange (talk) 17:49, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No reason given for the proposed merge. Is the goal is to have a nav box is that is huge and unwieldy? "Auditory", "temporal", "tacticle", and "optical" are not synonyms. Hyacinth (talk) 22:05, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox Jewish leader. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Infobox rebbe with Template:Infobox Jewish leader.
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Could this not be merged? PPEMES (talk) 13:25, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that is possible, and even preferable. I see spouse2 and spouse3 parameters that need to be taken care of. Nevertheless, since this template has some 150 transclusions, we should think this over carefully. Debresser (talk) 15:12, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge. A Rebbe is a Jewish leader. --Gonnym (talk) 09:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:INFOCOL Capankajsmilyo(Talk 01:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Infobox military memorial with Template:Infobox monument.
 * Infobox military memorial
 * Infobox monument

Redundancy? PPEMES (talk) 13:03, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Not redundant, former is clearly scoped and appropriate for its articles. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:06, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:49, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:INFOCOL Capankajsmilyo(Talk 01:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:INFOCOL Christian75 (talk) 22:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. The military memorial infobox is quite considerably different to the plain monument infobox. They only overlap in so far as they both mention "monument". Clearly not redundant. ◦ Trey Maturin 18:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:48, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Infobox Civil Air Patrol Wing with Template:Infobox military unit.
 * Infobox Civil Air Patrol Wing
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Redundancy? PPEMES (talk) 12:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Contribs ━━━┥ 16:15, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:50, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Most of the parameters for Infobox Civil Air Patrol Wing don't exist in Infobox military unit. -- Diriector_Doc ┝<sup style="position:absolute">Talk
 * Merge per WP:INFOCOL Capankajsmilyo(Talk 04:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per User: Diriector Doc, there are nearly 90 parameters in the two infoboxes and none exactly duplicate. The parameters for CAP Wing seem appropriate to it.  --Lineagegeek (talk) 15:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: parameters are different and debatable whether subject is the same as the CAP doesn't have a military role.--Melbguy05 (talk) 08:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as per above: Most of the parameters do not overlap. Creuzbourg (talk) 13:25, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose——联合果君 (talk) 16:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox nuclear weapons test. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:53, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Infobox nuclear weapons test with Template:Infobox high explosive test.
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Redundancy? PPEMES (talk) 12:53, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:54, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge. Seems reasonable. The latter isn't used much and could become a redirect to the former.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was Delete - F ASTILY   03:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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templates for the Chicago Transit Authority, which operates the Chicago 'L'. Superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/CTA. All transclusions replaced. There are 38 dependent s-line data modules which should also be deleted. Mackensen (talk) 12:41, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as in previous noms of this nature. --Gonnym (talk) 09:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
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Template:PitchforkVideo
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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete most, but no-consensus for Billboard Year-End number one albums and Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award. Please feel free to renominate these if you would still like to see them deleted. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 21:08, 30 March 2020 (UTC) Consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:33, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * PitchforkVideo
 * RollingStoneSingle
 * ConsequenceOfSoundSong
 * NMESingle
 * PitchforkSong
 * PitchforkDecade
 * NMEAlbum
 * NMEAlbum
 * PitchforkDecadeSongs
 * RollingStoneAlbum
 * Rock Sound Albums of the Year
 * Billboard Year-End number one albums
 * NAACP Image Award for Outstanding Album
 * Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award
 * PitchforkAlbum
 * ConsequenceOfSoundAlbum
 * Delete all as per discussion. Any publication or organization can give awards. They may increase their visibility, web traffic, etc., but are not recognized as important by writers in biographies, encyclopedias, and other music references. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:35, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Billboard Year-End number one albums as that represents actual performance rather than a particular magazine's opinion of what is best. That topic is not like the others.  No opinion on the rest. Rlendog (talk) 13:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep only Billboard Year-End number one albums (which is statistical, not opinion) and Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award (career recognition), and Delete the rest of the templates. We have tons of music magazines and newspapers, and we certainly do not need "best xxx" opinion templates for each of this publications. Bluesatellite (talk) 02:30, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete all except BB Year-End and Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award. I'm not at all familiar with the latter accolade but by the sound of it, it might be best to treat that and the Billboard one as a separate issue. No question with regard to the opinion-based templates, though. As raised at WP Albums, the number of templates that could be created for similar critics' polls is substantial, meaning the most acclaimed albums and singles could have perhaps dozens of additional navboxes, each offering very little in the way of informational value. JG66 (talk) 09:12, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).