Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 March 31



Template:Provinces of Roman Anatolia

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:28, 9 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Provinces of Roman Anatolia with Template:Roman provinces AD 117.
 * Provinces of Roman Anatolia
 * Roman provinces AD 117

Any of the former that absolutely cannot be included in the latter scope? Perhaps also the final merged templates could section its contents just a little, distinguished by larger historical or contemporary regions? PPEMES (talk) 19:12, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The arguments here are similar to those of the proposed merger of the Diocletian provinces. One is clearly a subset of the other, and more appropriate to pages dealing with Anatolia alone. Thank you for letting me know --Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉  20:49, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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 * Oppose per Michael Goodyear. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Ancient Tiber bridges

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:28, 9 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Ancient Tiber bridges with Template:Roman bridges.
 * Ancient Tiber bridges
 * Roman bridges

See below. PPEMES (talk) 18:32, 22 March 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. The scopes differ. "Roman bridges" is a behemoth that intimindates casual readers. "Tiber bridges" could be navigated as one would along a river: sailing from one bridge/article to the next. Breezy-easy. Plus, extra info of "Tiber bridges" like the upstream/downstream division would probably just be lost/ignored in the "merge", which presumably would be simply an erasure-redirect-finito. --Menchi (talk) 20:08, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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 * Oppose per Menchi. Different scopes and will not be an aid to navigation.
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Template:Infobox tribe

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:28, 9 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Infobox tribe with Template:Infobox ethnic group.
 * Infobox tribe
 * Infobox ethnic group

What constitutes a tribe and how, if, it is distinguishable from an ethnic group has proved hard to determine. As is the case the other way around. Perhaps better merge? PPEMES (talk) 16:24, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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 * Merge per nom. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:51, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:INFOCOL Capankajsmilyo(Talk 01:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. infobox tribe is for tribes defined narrowly as groups of people with descent from a shared ancestor, and so the infobox has fields for the name of the ancestor, for parent and daughter tribes, as well as for the surname (which is in many cases common to all members of the tribe). infobox ethnic group doesn't need these parameters, and conversely has a large number of other parameters that aren't relevant for tribes, such as the detailed per-region population fields. If infobox tribe is to be merged with anything, that would ideally be infobox clan (though there's still large non-overlap of parameters and the latter infobox appears to be fine-tuned for Scottish clans). – Uanfala (talk) 23:16, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. per Uanfala. -TheseusHeLl (talk) 20:01, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

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Greetings! i apologize for not using the bold oppose/merge...i am still learning and moreover what i say in the following may only complicate the issue... to be honest i can't see any difference (in terms of layout, or structure or what you call page/template(?). of wikipiedia--i am 'computer' illiterate and hence i cannot in any way comment for either side..i do not even know what the issue is about so please ignore this and forgive me for this..but if the issue also covers the idea of tribe and ethnic then i would like to share the following problem.

if, or assuming that, we agree to take the following definitions of 1.Tribe and 2.Ethnic as: 1. a social division in a traditional society consisting of families or communities linked by social, economic, religious, or blood ties, with a common culture and dialect, typically having a recognized leader https://www.google.com/search?q=Tribe&oq=Tribe&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j69i61l2.2887j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 2. relating to a population subgroup (within a larger or dominant national or cultural group) with a common national or cultural tradition https://www.google.com/search?q=ethnic&oq=Ethnic&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60l3.3767j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 then i wish to present the following point as a Sumi Naga of Nagaland. Nagas are considered as Tribes from the NorthEast India. if we come to NorthEast: to Nagaland then there are many smaller Tribes, with totally different language and culture, that comprises as Nagas for example Angami Tribe, Ao Tribe, Lotha Tribe, Poumai Tribe, Sangtam Tribe etc., if we take this case then Nagas will no longer be a Tribe but rather an Ethnic group in NorthEast India and subsequently the smaller groups will be considered as Tribes of Nagaland since the smaller group fulfills the criteria of the Tribe definition given above, however the problem arises again because if we come within a particular Tribe we find differences in dialect (here i am not talking of slight differences but rather a completely different language such that the two speakers from the same tribe will not understand each other), and moreover most of the Tribes don't share "common culture" as such they too like Nagas will not be a Tribe but rather an Ethnic group within Nagaland...but again in all official and administrative usage the term Nagas as well as Aos, Angamis, Konyaks etc., are sometimes used as Tribe and sometimes as Ethnic... i don't know if i make any sense or made any valuable/constructive inputs so i apologize once again. H.S.Naga (talk) 16:30, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - While this is a bit of a tricky issue, I'm inclined to agree that the definitions of "ethnicity" and "tribe" have particular distinctiveness to where merging seems rather unhelpful and illogical. We should probably leave things as they are. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above comments. Templates have different scopes, it is confusing to combine them and likely to also confuse future editors and readers.--Tom (LT) (talk) 00:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose - in the light of the above comments. Also, I'm in agreement with User:CoffeeWithMarkets. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 19:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per Unafala and Mactep. KylieInTheSkylie (talk) 15:37, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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Template:International human rights instruments
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:International human rights instruments with Template:International criminal law.
 * International human rights instruments
 * International criminal law

Please see below. PPEMES (talk) 14:19, 22 March 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Merging would not be beneficial. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:04, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep per Nikkimaria. No clear benefit to doing this. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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Template:International human rights organizations
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:International human rights organizations with Template:International criminal law.
 * International human rights organizations
 * International criminal law

Some overlap indicated. Would it make sense to merge this for clearer overview and transparancy of interrelations of entries? PPEMES (talk) 14:19, 22 March 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Merging would not be beneficial. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:01, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep - The organization-based page has a fundamental distinctiveness when compared to the more general page on law. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:36, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Nikkimaria. No clear benefit to doing this. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep – per the above comments. It's better to have them as separate templates. Also, User:CoffeeWithMarkets has made a good point. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 15:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Ancient Greek skepticism
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Skepticism. (non-admin closure) Train of Knowledge (Talk) 05:32, 11 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Ancient Greek skepticism with Template:Skepticism.
 * Ancient Greek skepticism
 * Skepticism

Would it be fair to consider keeping these contents in one and the same template? PPEMES (talk) 13:56, 22 March 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Seems reasonable with a bit of redesign of the template. Teishin (talk) 20:30, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge – It's better to merge them, however, do a little bit of work on Template:Skepticism as per requirements (there would be, I believe). Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 15:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy to work on the Skepticism template to merge in Ancient Greek Skepticism. Teishin (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Good and evil
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:30, 9 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Good and evil with Template:Ethics.
 * Good and evil
 * Ethics

Merge contents into proper section, perhaps in a subsection if necessary? PPEMES (talk) 13:53, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Some pages with Good and evil would be better served by having just the Good and evil template. Probably all pages with the ethics template would be better served by having the Good and evil template transcribed as a (collapsible?) subsection within the ethics template.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:24, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:50, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - I'm not exactly sure how this would work, but it seems rather clear that relative goodness in contrast to evil are fundamental topics in not just ethics but the broader discussion on rationality. I look forward to maybe seeing more back and forth on this idea, though. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:35, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Good and Evil has a clear target and focus. Ethics is a very broad topic with an already large template. I don't see the benefit to readers in merging these and I think the focuses are different. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep – They are different subjects, though some of the concepts studied under them intersects/touches each other at some points, still they are different in a number of ways. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 16:01, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Logical truth
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Logical truth with Template:Theories of truth.
 * Logical truth
 * Theories of truth

Merge into proper section? PPEMES (talk) 13:46, 22 March 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:50, 31 March 2020 (UTC) Oppose mixing two more or less completely different topics. Christian75 (talk) 09:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Christian75. Different topics. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep – per Christian75. They are not the same topics, and differ significantly, and this is abundantly clear. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 16:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Informal fallacies
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Formal fallacies. Once the merging is complete and all the content from the previous templates is added, it could also be possible to move Template:Formal fallacies to Template:Fallacies. (non-admin closure) Train of Knowledge (Talk) 05:29, 11 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Informal fallacies with Template:Formal fallacies.
 * Relevance fallacies
 * Informal fallacies
 * Formal fallacies

In order to create one Template:Fallacies?PPEMES (talk) 13:41, 22 March 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Merge – If these could be blended into one Template, then it's better to do that. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 16:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox command structure
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 April 11. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 13:10, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Infobox_command_structure
 * Military_unit_sidebar
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Template:US regiments sidebar
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Military unit sidebar. (non-admin closure) Train of Knowledge (Talk) 05:21, 11 April 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:US regiments sidebar with Template:Military unit sidebar.
 * Cavalry
 * Arkansas Confederate Infantry Regiments navbox
 * Arkansas Confederate Artillery Batteries
 * WWII Philippine Army Divisions
 * US Special Forces Groups sidebar
 * US regiments sidebar
 * Military unit sidebar

Seems like a more generic template is now available, since suggested merge-template was created? PPEMES (talk) 12:21, 22 March 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Merge per nom. Appear to be clear duplicates succeeded by a better template. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
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