Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 October 24



Template:Please see

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Please see with Template:Discussion notice.
 * Please see
 * Discussion notice

Very similar templates, for the same purpose. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:39, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No comment right now. Can I Log In (talk) 20:32, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep separate the templates are similar in goal but very different in tone; I think there is a risk of removing either the kindly version or the impersonal version, and I can see uses for both. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:18, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Other than one template says "please", the other "thank you", how are they "very different" in tone? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:47, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Tom (LT). --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 10:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose These are serving entirely different purposes. Discussion notice is like a generic ANI-notice where as Please see is like a generic Talkback. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 10:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
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Template:No talkback

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 November 5. Primefac (talk) 01:41, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * No_talkback
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Template:User talk pages

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Userspace disclaimers. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:59, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * User talk pages
 * Userspace disclaimers

Propose merging Template:User talk pages 'into'' Template:Userspace disclaimers.

UD contains a subset of UTP. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:16, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support good idea, and what's more having all these in the same navbox may help speed along consolidation. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:18, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The templates serve a different purpose. The talk pages template contains other templates related to several uses of talk pages. The disclaimer template contains templates that are to do with userspace disclaimers. An appropriate merge might be Template:Userspace disclaimers to Template:Disclaimers as they share a common purpose. SilkTork (talk) 17:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * already includes a "User talk pages" row, which ends "More can be found at User talk pages". There are pages, such as Template:Usercomment using both navboxes. I've just nominated  for deletion, as unused.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. WP:CONSOLIDATE. --Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 05:46, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Struggling to see any sense in having the two templates. Nigej (talk) 12:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Musicals and operas of Leonard Bernstein

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:04, 1 November 2020 (UTC) Unused navbox. Redundant to Leonard Bernstein, also a navbox, which contains all of the links in the nominated template. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:13, 15 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Musicals and operas of Leonard Bernstein

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Template:Vaughan Williams operas

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The result of the discussion was delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 17:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC) Navbox. Redundant to Ralph Vaughan Williams, also a navbox, which contains all of the links in the nominated template. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:45, 15 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Vaughan Williams operas

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 * Note: that every single one of the articles using is also using .  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:04, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Licht

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:24, 31 October 2020 (UTC) Navbox. Redundant to Karlheinz Stockhausen, also a navbox, which contains all of the links in the nominated template. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:42, 15 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Licht
 * Keep – This is a targeted navbox for the opera cycle and its components. The navbox is too big and unwieldy for easy navigation. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * is transcluded on 83 articles; the community at large clearly does not feel that it is "too big and unwieldy", otherwise someone would have nominated it for deletion on that basis (though, if they did it would undoubtedly be kept). Those 83 articles include all of those in the nominated template, where the two templates sit adjacent to each other. In other words, there is not a single article using which is not also using .  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:23, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Keep the navbox is huge, whereas the navbox links a well defined set of articles together. It's useful for navigation, so I vote keep. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:18, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
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