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Module:Dot plot

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC) Unused. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Ifarticle

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 02:44, 11 October 2020 (UTC) This is a strange template. A mixture of Main other and Userpage otheruse. A left over from a much earlier time. Currently only used in one user's user pages. Replace with a User page (or User page and For). Gonnym (talk) 19:57, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ifarticle


 * Delete per nom. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as a strange/redundant template. Convert existing usages as appropriate first, generally with Main other (as this one makes sense in the contexts I checked). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Back to contents

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The result of the discussion was keep. Editors cited accessibility reasons, and usage on prominent project namespace pages, as the main reasons to keep. Some editors said that the template should not be used in mainspace, and indeed the template documentation instructs the same. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC) Non standard interface component, used on just 93 (out of ~50 million) pages. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Back to contents
 * Keep - unless there is some alternative? Used on our help pages like  directories and indexes and community pages...(Help:Directory Dashboard WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Sports Glossary Shortcut index) to aid in navigation on huge pages.....part of the standard  navigation aid system for big help pages for years. Is usage not looked at before nomination?-- Moxy 🍁 22:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not helpful to users, new or otherwise, to teach them a non-standard interface which they will never find on the rest of Wikipedia. The alternative is to have such navigation added to the core wiki. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Not seeing any harm in having additional navigational aids on our big help pages. You may not find it useful but others might...especially those with disabilities and those that dont use a keyboard. Till there is some sort of core solution we should not go out of our way to make it hard to navigate huge administration pages on a whim with no policy bases for deletion.-- Moxy 🍁 20:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm the first to call for us to show more care for the needs of people with disabilities; where is the evidence that this template serves that need? How does having it on 93 pages (many of which are not help pages) out of ~50 million help such people? And please try to make your case without dismissing my considered analysis of this template as a "whim". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Not on many pages as we dont have that many directories of giant size. Why is usage  a reasons for deletion over its accessibility purpose on the pages in question? . ..if  its placed improperly then that should be fixed not a reason for deletion.  What is done for those with disabilities. I call it a whim because there is no way an experienced editor has not seen these "take backs" before as we have many. -- Moxy 🍁 21:39, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Lack of usage is an issue, because "It's not helpful to users, new or otherwise, to teach them a non-standard interface which they will never find on the rest of Wikipedia". And thanks for the link, but I didn't ask for a general accessibility guide; I asked "where is the evidence that this template serves that need" (emphasis added for clarity). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Retain here because of notice on the dashboard Where I just used the feature. --2605:8D80:540:D87:E8D2:5E0E:4A26:FD5F (talk) 23:10, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * A (deletion) notice on a dashboard is not a reason to keep a template; if it were, we would never delete any. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove from mainspace as a minimum. This should be used nowhere there per nom. I think also tend toward removal from non-mainspace as well per nom, and accordingly delete. --Izno (talk) 21:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Removed from Mainspace - 26.-- Moxy 🍁 22:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep OR Keep until replacement is abso-freakin'-lutely ready to take its place per everything Moxy said. I'm hella disabled, and removing it without having a replacement would make those pages so burdensome that I would be in such extra pain that I wouldn't use them... Argh, sorry. I already pushed myself too far today on WP—because I wanted to, not for any fake-saint reason, but because I was enjoying it—that I am not at my best communication-wise, but my real-life limitations will likely get in the way of me coming back here so I tried for a limit break. :P So sure, eventually remove it, but PLEASE don't remove the crappy curbcuts until you've got the new ones ready to go! 93 pages or 93 street corners, the number doesn't matter when you are the one trying to defy your body trying to get through that one right there! —Geekdiva (talk) 02:01, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Standardization is not a sufficient reason since it is used on very prominent pages and no alternative currently exists. The usage on the Dashboard alone is a necessary keep. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:43, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per above comments. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:27, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Top of page

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 October 15. Primefac (talk) 16:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Strauss operas

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The result of the discussion was delete after replacing the single usage with the image. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Single use; fails WP:NENAN. Redundant to Richard Strauss. Hides the image on mobile (the image should be retained in the article when the template is removed). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:57, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:57, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Strauss operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Stravinsky operas

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Unused; redundant to Igor Stravinsky. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:55, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Stravinsky operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Villa-Lobos operas

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The result of the discussion was delete, replacing the transclusions with the image in the template. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:07, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Only used on two articles; fails WP:NENAN. Redundant to Heitor Villa-Lobos. Hides the image on mobile (the image should be retained in the articles when the template is removed). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:54, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:54, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Villa-Lobos operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Wagner operas

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:09, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Unused; redundant to Richard Wagner. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Wagner operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Wallace operas

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The result of the discussion was delete, replacing the transclusions with the image in the template. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:09, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Single use; fails WP:NENAN. Redundant to William Vincent Wallace. Hides the image on mobile (the image should be retained in the article when the template is removed). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Wallace operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Walton operas

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The result of the discussion was delete, replacing the transclusions with the image in the template. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:09, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Only used on two articles; fails WP:NENAN. Redundant to William Walton. Hides the image on mobile (the image should be retained in the articles when the template is removed). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Walton operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Weber operas

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:10, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Unused; redundant to Carl Maria von Weber. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Weber operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Kurt Weill

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The result of the discussion was delete. Regarding the point raised on moving for title consistency, compared to other nominations Template:Weill operas seems to focus solely on a specific area by the individual, rather than a more broad person navbox. Noting this important distinction, a move may not necessarily be appropriate, at least not in the same sense. There is no prejudice against a discussion on the move. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 23:54, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Unused; redundant to Weill operas. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:20, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Kurt Weill
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content.  if this is deleted, we should move  to this title for consistency. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Hindemith operas

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The result of the discussion was delete, replacing the transclusions with the image in the template. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:11, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Single use; fails WP:NENAN. Redundant to Paul Hindemith. Hides the image on mobile (the image should be retained in the article when the template is removed). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:19, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:19, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hindemith operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Glass operas

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Unused; redundant to Philip Glass. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Glass operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Ginastera operas
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The result of the discussion was delete, replacing the transclusions with the image in the template. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Only used on two articles; fails WP:NENAN. Redundant to Alberto Ginastera. Hides the image on mobile (the image should be retained in the articles when the template is removed). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ginastera operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Delius operas
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The result of the discussion was delete, replacing the transclusions with the image in the template. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:13, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Only used on two articles; fails WP:NENAN. Redundant to Frederick Delius. Hides the image on mobile (the image should be retained in the articles when the template is removed). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:08, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delius operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Bernstein operas
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The result of the discussion was delete, replacing the transclusions with the image in the template. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:14, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Only used on two articles; fails WP:NENAN. Redundant to Leonard Bernstein. Hides the image on mobile (the image should be retained in the articles when the template is removed). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:08, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Bernstein operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Balfe operas
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The result of the discussion was delete, replacing the transclusions with the image in the template. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:14, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Only used on two articles; fails WP:NENAN. Redundant to Michael William Balfe. Hides the image on mobile (the image should be retained in the articles when the template is removed). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Balfe operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Adams operas
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The result of the discussion was delete, replacing the transclusions with the image in the template. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:14, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Only used on two articles; fails WP:NENAN. Redundant to John Adams (composer) Hides the image on mobile (the image should be retained in the articles when the template is removed). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Adams operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Birtwistle operas
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The result of the discussion was delete, replacing the transclusions with the image in the template. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC) Single use; fails WP:NENAN. Redundant to Harrison Birtwistle. Hides the image on mobile (the image should be retained in the article when the template is removed). Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Birtwistle operas
 * delete, redundant navigation. the footer navbox is better in terms of layout and not crowding the main prose content. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete, per nom. These sidebars are both redundant and inferior to the footer navbox in terms of layout. Voceditenore (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Kwun Tong Future
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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC) The template doesn't provide navigation, as a 'navigation template'. Sun8908 ── Talk 09:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Kwun Tong Future
 * delete, provides no navigation. Frietjes (talk) 14:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Argentine films
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 19:26, 11 October 2020 (UTC) Redundant to the bottom navbox Cinema of Argentina, which appears to be on all the pages this template is on except (ironically) Cinema of Argentina. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 04:46, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Argentine films

Keep Convenient side template, perfect for lists like this, Template:Cinema of Argentina is the one which should be deleted, how is going to see the template sandwiched down there?† Encyclopædius  09:37, 16 September 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete sidebar. I support deletion if the sidebar remains unchanged. As it is these are both lists with links of years, one in vertical and one in horizontal format. No need to have both. If the Argentine sidebar was changed to be more useful, such as directing to a few key articles, then I would support keeping it. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Cinema of Argentina is much more user friendly at the bottom. No need to duplicate the same exact template on these lists. --Gonnym (talk) 10:19, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * delete the sidebar. the footer navbox provides more consistent navigation. Frietjes (talk) 14:40, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * comment I personally think Argentine films is better than the bottom navbox (of readers - who actually reads those bottom ones anyway). I think it may be neater to uncollapse it, and delete the navbox rather than the sidebar. Topics quite closely related. Not too strong on this, though, and not really opposed to keeping the navbox instead of the sidebar as some of the above editors prefer. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:19, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Year Zero alternate reality game
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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 03:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC) Template used to group together separate pages for the Year Zero ARG, all of which are heading for deletion as being WP:FANCRUFT and WP:GAMEGUIDE. All of the pages in the template will then be able to be linked from the album's page, leaving the template redundant. fuzzy510 (talk) 07:58, 16 September 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Year Zero alternate reality game

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 * Close nomination. This nom is dependent on whether the other pages are deleted. If they are, then the template can be speedy deleted using WP:G8. Cheers --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete template as is. All Year Zero links are available in Nine Inch Nails so either completely delete, or convert into a bottom navbox (with only relevant links). I prefer deletion, as the template will be a duplication of a group of subset links. --Gonnym (talk) 14:04, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Template:Ds/extended-confirmed-editnotice
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 19:26, 11 October 2020 (UTC) Low-usage duplicate of Ds/editnotice and EN templates in Category:Standardised Wikipedia arbitration enforcement templates (for the 500/30 part), e.g. IPA AE/Edit notice. Proposed to replace usages with appropriate template, and delete. In some cases no substitute is desirable, as 500/30 is now enforced by technical means (ie ECP protection), thus doesn't need a notice telling people not to edit if they have less than 500/30. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:47, 16 September 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Ds/extended-confirmed-editnotice

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 * Delete These articles under ECP don't need a unique form of warning as compared with other articles. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 October 11. Primefac (talk) 03:10, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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