Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 August 13



Template:Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward One

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  03:23, 21 August 2021 (UTC) Ward thirteen is unused and the rest should be substituted where used. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward One
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Two
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Three
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Four
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Five
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Six
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Seven
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Eight
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Nine
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Ten
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Eleven
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Twelve
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Thirteen
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Fourteen
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Fifteen
 * Oppose per my comments below. Per WP:MULTI, discussion of the use of election templates should be centralised, not distributed across a flurry of separate TFDs. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * PS: Category:Canada election result templates (complete list) currently contains 5,368 templates (and I think that it's not actually complete) . No reason has been given for selecting the 3 sets on this page for separate discussion. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Notification: the Canadian Wikipedians' notice board has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - as insignificant. GoodDay (talk) 02:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. The purpose of dedicated election results templates like this is to keep information consistent across multiple articles — for example, for an electoral district in Parliament or the provincial legislature, a template is appropriate for the presentation of election results because it can be used in the electoral district's article and the MP's/MPP's biographical article (and in some cases a non-winning candidate who has notability for other reasons, such as a former incumbent that the winner defeated), and thus keep the information and presentation consistent across multiple articles. But such templates are not routinely used for all presentation of all Canadian election results — if the office isn't inherently notable for the purposes of securing a separate biographical article about the winner and thus the election article itself is the only place for the election results to appear, then the election results table should just be coded in that article rather than by calling separate templates. But Hamilton is not a global city for the purposes of making its city councillors "inherently" notable under WP:NPOL #2 — and thus the election article itself is the only place almost any of these templates is actually being used, with the singular exception of Ward 7 because the winner went on to become a federal MP five years later and one of the defeated candidates had been a provincial MPP a decade earlier. But I can't justify keeping only ward 7 while deleting all of the others — if we can't justify the complete set, then we shouldn't keep just one ward — and the reason the Ward 13 template is unused is because for some reason that's the only ward in the city where the results table is already coded directly in 2010 Hamilton, Ontario municipal election instead of calling the template. These should all be substituted since there aren't multiple articles to cross-reference, and then deleted. Bearcat (talk) 15:35, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per the related discussion below. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 13:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * delete, unused after [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2010_Hamilton%2C_Ontario_municipal_election&type=revision&diff=1038925038&oldid=1038010434 this edit]. Frietjes (talk) 17:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward One Public Trustee

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  03:22, 21 August 2021 (UTC) All single-use and should be substituted where used. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward One Public Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Three Public Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Four Public Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Five Public Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Six Public Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Seven Public Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Eight Public Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Wards Nine and Ten Public Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Wards Eleven and Twelve Public Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward Thirteen Public Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Wards Fourteen and Fifteen Public Trustee
 * Oppose per my comments below. Per WP:MULTI, discussion of the use of election templates should be centralised, not distributed across a flurry of separate TFDs. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * PS: Category:Canada election result templates (complete list) currently contains 5,368 templates (and I think that it's not actually complete) . No reason has been given for selecting the 3 sets on this page for separate discussion. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:03, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - as being insignificant. GoodDay (talk) 02:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. The purpose of dedicated election results templates like this is to keep information consistent across multiple articles — for example, for a federal or provincial electoral district, a template is appropriate for the presentation of election results because it can be used in the electoral district's article and the MP's/MPP's biographical article (and in some cases a non-winning candidate who has notability for other reasons, such as a former incumbent that the winner defeated) and thus keep the information and presentation consistent across multiple articles. But such templates are not routinely used for all presentation of all Canadian election results — if there's only one article for the results to appear in, then the election results table should just be coded in that article rather than by calling separate templates. But school board trustee is not a notable office for the purposes of WP:NPOL, meaning that the election article is the only place any of these templates are actually being used at all, because none of the trustees or candidates have biographical articles of their own to use these in. So these should all be substituted in the election article since there aren't multiple articles to cross-reference, and then deleted. Bearcat (talk) 15:40, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per the related discussion below. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 13:37, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * delete, unused after [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2010_Hamilton%2C_Ontario_municipal_election&type=revision&diff=1038925038&oldid=1038010434 this edit]. Frietjes (talk) 17:20, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Wards 1 and 2 Catholic Trustee

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  03:21, 21 August 2021 (UTC) All single-use and should be substituted where used. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Wards 1 and 2 Catholic Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Wards 3 and 4 Catholic Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward 5 Catholic Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward 6 Catholic Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward 7 Catholic Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Ward 8 Catholic Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Wards 9, 10 and 11 Catholic Trustee
 * Hamilton Municipal Election, 2010 Wards 12, 13, 14 and 15 Catholic Trustee
 * Oppose. The practice of putting Canadian election results in templates is widespread. AFAICS, it's actually the norm for Canadian election data, and there are literally thousands of such templates.  Instead of picking off a few examples, the nominator should start a centralised discussion (e.g. at WT:CANADA) to learn how and why this approach is used ... and if the nom still wants to delete them, that should be done systematically as a mass nomination. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There should be no exception to Tfd's just because one project does it differently. This is part of a major issue with election templates when the information can easily be featured as a different table as it's been done and should be continued to be done on election articles. And single-use is a major problem because templates are supposed to be used on multiple spaces, not singular, as templates are supposed to have broader navigational benefits. But election results don't have a need to be on separate templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:24, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's clear that a significant number of the editors who work on Canadian politics disagree with your assertion that election results don't have a need to be on separate templates. So why not talk to those editors?
 * And per WP:MULTI, discussion should be centralised. Since you believe that all election templates should be substed, it would be much better to have one discussion on the principle rather than dozens of individuals TFDs. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * "It's clear that a significant number of the editors who work on Canadian politics disagree with your assertion." Please avoid an argument where you're making assertions. Second, what good would talking with all of them do? I'm certainly not going to ping all the editors in the project for one discussion. Clearly not a good use of time. Third, a Tfd is a place for a discussion about templates nominated for deletion or merge. It's in the name. What is the point of having election results on templates? What is the harm in just by having them as part of the relevant article subject by being a part of the article to begin with? Separate mainspaces for election results are redundant and utterly pointless. And no, not all election templates. Election year navboxes, for instance, have a great purpose because it fulfills its purpose for navigation. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:48, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * please see WP:MULTI. Really.
 * You have already started 3 separate discussion on this page about Canadian election templates, and I don't think that you have even started on the 5,368 pages in Category:Canada election result templates (complete list).
 * You have not so far identified any reason to discuss these sets separately ... so please,make whatever case you want to make in a single centralised discussion.
 * As to what good would talking with all of them do? ... talking to other editors is how we reach WP:Consensus. That's a core policy.
 * And no, you don't need to ping everybody. Just notify the relevant projects ad noticeboard. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a reason I have created separate discussions is that each of these sets has a different name, hence the separation. As for the category, I will in the future. And I have seen the policy you're referring to, this isn't the same discussion on multiple pages. And really, stop pinging me every time you reply, you're unnecessarily creating notifications for me. You've already voted oppose. Let others take the nomination into consideration. I'm done talking about this subject with you at this time. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:17, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The issue which you identify is the same in each case, so there is no need for 3 separate discussions on the same issue, let alone for dozens more as you tackle Category:Canada election result templates (complete list).
 * I pinged you as a courtesy to let you know there was a reply, but since you don't want those notifications, I will stop. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Note canvassing by nominator at User talk:Number 57 * Pppery * it has begun... 00:33, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That is unusually blatant canvassing. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:39, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The canvassing comment was self-reverted in Special:Diff/1038671805 * Pppery * it has begun... 02:27, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Also note that WikiCleanerMan has nominated several more batches of these at Templates for discussion/Log/2021 August 12 and Templates for discussion/Log/2021 August 14. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:26, 14 August 2021 (UTC) (edited * Pppery * it has begun...  02:27, 14 August 2021 (UTC))
 * Delete- as being insignificant. GoodDay (talk) 02:29, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. The purpose of dedicated election results templates like this is to keep information consistent across multiple articles — for example, for a federal or provincial electoral district, a template is appropriate for the presentation of election results because it can be used in the electoral district's article and the MP's/MPP's biographical article (and in some cases a non-winning candidate who has notability for other reasons, such as a former incumbent that the winner defeated) and thus keep the information and presentation consistent across multiple articles. But such templates are not routinely used for all presentation of all Canadian election results — if there's only one article for the results to appear in, then the election results table should just be coded in that article rather than by calling separate templates. But school board trustee is not a notable office for the purposes of WP:NPOL, meaning that the election article is the only place any of these templates are actually being used at all, because none of the trustees or candidates have biographical articles of their own to use these in. So these should all be substituted in the election article since there aren't multiple articles to cross-reference, and then deleted. Bearcat (talk) 15:42, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Bearcat said what I was going to say. Election results for positions that don't confer notability per WP:NPOL are only likely to be useful in an article about the election (because the candidates will not have separate articles) thus they don't need to be templated, and all of these single-use templates are unnecessary clutter. Ivanvector's squirrel (trees/nuts) 13:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * delete, unused after [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2010_Hamilton%2C_Ontario_municipal_election&type=revision&diff=1038925038&oldid=1038010434 this edit]. Frietjes (talk) 17:20, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:IrelandElectionsDecade

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗ plicit  03:17, 21 August 2021 (UTC) Template is specific for Ireland but Template:YYY0s elections in countryname category header does the same exact thing. See Category:1800s elections in Ireland where I replaced the template. Gonnym (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC) I have also reverted Gonnym's change to Category:1800s elections in Ireland, which is now properly parented. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * IrelandElectionsDecade
 * Oppose. IrelandElectionsDecade has special code to accommodate the fact that from 1801-1922, Ireland was part of the UK. So it treats those decades differently. Per WP:BEFORE, the nom should have checked this before nominating. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:48, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note that the reason that Gonnym's change of template produced the same output was that i had made an error in IrelandElectionsDecade, which i have now fixed.. Sorry about that.
 * Keep per BrownHairedGirl. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per BrownHairedGirl. --I am One of Many (talk) 18:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per BrownHairedGirl & simplicity; no need to add the double conditional to the parent template.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  18:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete And have the current uses replaced with the Template:YYY0s elections in countryname category header. It removes the redundancy. And there is simply no need to have for one specific country. Although, the U.S. templates exist is because U.S. elections tend to carry more significance than Irish elections. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * What redundancy? This template is coded to automate the variable parenting needed for Irish chronology categories.  Other templates do not do that.
 * Also, is mistaken about US election categories.  First, perceived significance is not a reason to have or not have a category header template; categories exist to group article because the articles exist, not because of their perceived significance. Secondly, US election decade categories use YYY0s elections in countryname category header; they do not have a specific template, because they do not have the variable parenting issues of the Irish categories.  There are some US-specific category-header templates for US election categories, e.g. YYYY United States local elections category header, because those had to be custom-made. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a reason a subcat exists for the U.S. Because it has a specific purpose. Frankly, why should there be an Irish-specific template like this one? By that standard, we should have one for every country. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:12, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As I explained twice, the reason to have a template for this specific country is set out clearly above: because in the case of Ireland, different decades need different parenting, and this provides simplicity and accuracy by automating that.
 * Most other countries do not have this issue of needing different parent countries at different times, so it is completely false to say that this justifies having one for every country.
 * Your comment there is a reason a subcat exists for the U.S is strange. This discussion is not about whether subcats exist or should exist. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:21, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep  - per BHG. Ireland is usually an exception to any general rule. Oculi (talk) 21:09, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:YearInIrishPoliticsCat

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗ plicit  03:24, 21 August 2021 (UTC) Template is specific for Ireland but Template:YYYY in nationality politics category header does the same exact thing. See Category:2008 in Irish politics where I replaced the template. Gonnym (talk) 16:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC) Note that most Irish chronology categories have similar category header templates to avoid errors in parenting the 1801-1922 period: see e.g. IrelandByYear and IrishSportByYear. I invite to withdraw this set of nominations, and if they feel that categorisation would be better served by relying on editors to accurately apply a parent in each case (instead of a simple template doing it automatically), then they should nominate all such templates in one group nomination. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * YearInIrishPoliticsCat
 * Oppose. YearInIrishPoliticsCat has special code to accommodate the fact that from 1801-1922, Ireland was part of the UK.  So it treats those decades differently. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:32, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Can't be used in those situations? Gonnym (talk) 16:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It possibly could be; I have not checked the nuances. But it wouldn't be used if the editor applying it was unaware of the need to treat some years differently, as appears to have been the case with the TFD nominator.  So to maximise simplicity and accuracy, please keep this template. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have now checked the template's history. I created YearInIrishPoliticsCat in March 2018, and deployed it. On 23 Sept 2020, I created YYYY in nationality politics category header and deployed on hundreds of categories.  One of the first things I did with the new template was this edit to make YearInIrishPoliticsCat a wrapper around YYYY in nationality politics category header, with conditionality for the years 1801-1922.  That was the current revision when Gonnym made this TFD nomination.  It appears that the WP:BEFORE of this nomination was inadequate, because the nomination doesn't mention the fact that it is a wrapper or that it includes conditionality.
 * Note. I have reverted Gonnym's change to Category:2008 in Irish politics, pending any consensus. The version which Gonnym changed is at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:2008_in_Irish_politics&oldid=1038615025. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:05, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose Keep template for simplicity. Could end up as trap for users, who are adding the YYYY template unaware of the parameter -- DaxServer (talk) 17:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per BrownHairedGirl. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per BrownHairedGirl & simplicity; no need to add the double conditional to the parent template.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  18:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete And have the current uses replaced with the Template:YYYY in nationality politics category header. It removes the redundancy. And there is simply no need to have for one specific country. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:51, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, the reason to have a template for a specific country is set out clearly above: because different decades need different parenting, and this provides simplicity and accuracy by automating that. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:14, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep  - per BHG. Ireland is usually an exception to any general rule. Oculi (talk) 21:10, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:IrelandPoliticsDecade

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗ plicit  03:25, 21 August 2021 (UTC) Template is specific for Ireland but Template:YYY0s in nationality politics category header does the same exact thing. See Category:2000s in Irish politics where I replaced the template. Gonnym (talk) 16:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * IrelandPoliticsDecade
 * Oppose. IrelandPoliticsDecade has special code to accommodate the fact that from 1801-1922, Ireland was part of the UK.  So it treats those decades differently.  It's a pity that the nominator didn't take a few seconds to check this before opening a flurry of TFDs. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you please stop with your personal attacks each time you don't agree with something? Each time I have the misfortune to be in a discussion with you it always goes the same way. I did check the template and as I pointed out above, the fact that you use a parameter that is available to the general template, does not make it "different". Please stay on topic and just comment on the actual issue. Gonnym (talk) 16:38, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That was not a personal attack; it was a polite request to so some WP:BEFORE. each time I have the misfortune to be in a discussion with you it always goes the same way: you object to doing the checks, and take offence when asked. If you were aware that this template is a wrapper around Template:YYY0s in nationality politics category header, with added conditionality, why didn't you set that out in the nomination instead of wrongly asserting that it does the same thing? -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Not a fan of BHG right now, but if someone did not perform an inadequate WP:BEFORE prior to a slew of nominations for discussion, then it needs to be noted in the discussions. I don't see doing so as a personal attack. -- Deep fried okra  ( talk ) 19:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per BrownHairedGirl. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per BrownHairedGirl & simplicity; no need to add the double conditional to the parent template.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  18:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete And have the current uses replaced with the Template:YYY0s in nationality politics category header. It removes the redundancy. And there is simply no need to have for one specific country. Although, the U.S. templates exist is because U.S. elections tend to carry more significance than Irish elections. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, the reason to have a template for a specific country is set out clearly above: it is because different decades need different parenting, and this template provides simplicity and accuracy by automating that.
 * The perceived significance of elections in the US or elsewhere is irrelevant to this discussion. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:16, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep  - per BHG. Ireland is usually an exception to any general rule. As BHG has a unique combination of expertise in (a) templates and (b) Ireland (and (c) categories and (d) argument) angels might fear to tread ... Oculi (talk) 21:16, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Scottish Parliament election

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:13, 20 August 2021 (UTC) While both are used on respective Scottish and Welsh election articles, there isn't an overwhelming need for them as the coding for the display of the results table is possible to be used without these two. I doubt the template coding will break without it. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Scottish Parliament election
 * Welsh Assembly election


 * Keep as being significant. GoodDay (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * GoodDay, in what way? The coding for the templates can be easily replaced. There shouldn't be specific coding like what these templates do because we would have to have one for all countries' election table results. There should be one standard in my view to deal with this issue. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:34, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh alright, Delete then. GoodDay (talk) 02:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Seats in the Senate of Romania, 6th legislature
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:23, 20 August 2021 (UTC) Both should be substituted on the 2008–2012 legislature of the Romanian Parliament article instead of the Senate and Chamber of Deputies of Romania articles, as it's the most appropriate location/use for it. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:09, 5 August 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Seats in the Senate of Romania, 6th legislature
 * Seats in the Chamber of Deputies of Romania, 6th legislature

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Template:2005 United Kingdom general election
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 August 24. Primefac (talk) 00:08, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 2005_United_Kingdom_general_election
 * 2010_United_Kingdom_parliamentary_election
 * 2015_United_Kingdom_parliamentary_election
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Template:European Parliament MEPs, 1958–1979 (Netherlands)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 August 24. Primefac (talk) 00:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * European_Parliament_MEPs,_1958–1979_(Netherlands)
 * European_Parliament_MEPs,_1979–1984_(Netherlands)
 * European_Parliament_MEPs,_1984–1989_(Netherlands)
 * European_Parliament_MEPs,_1989–1994_(Netherlands)
 * European_Parliament_MEPs,_1994–1999_(Netherlands)
 * European_Parliament_MEPs,_1999–2004_(Netherlands)
 * European_Parliament_MEPs,_2004–2009_(Netherlands)
 * European_Parliament_MEPs,_2009–2014_(Netherlands)
 * European_Parliament_MEPs,_2014–2019_(Netherlands)
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Template:Portuguese legislative election, 2011
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The result of the discussion was delete after substitution. Note that at the time of this close there are no non-election article transclusions of any of these templates, so the concern about individual politicians is moot. Primefac (talk) 00:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC) Both 2011 are single-use and should be substituted on the legislative election mainspace. The presidential election template should be substituted onto the election articles and removed from the articles of the candidates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Portuguese legislative election, 2011
 * Portuguese legislative election, 2011 by constituency
 * Portuguese presidential election, 1996
 * Portuguese presidential election, 2001
 * Portuguese presidential election, 2006
 * Portuguese presidential election, 2011

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Frietjes (talk) 14:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - as they relate to presidential & parliamentary elections. GoodDay (talk) 02:44, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not enough to maintain keeping as it remains. Templates shouldn't be single-use nor used on articles about individuals especially when they are in table format. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:24, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Partial subst and delete. Subst to election articles only and remove from individual "election results" sections. If a politician page needs a election results section, that should be their individual result and not a complete, and usually, very large table that has no relevance to the article. That would be akin to having complete Oscar results on a list of awards by actor pages. Gonnym (talk) 09:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Partial subst and delete per Gonnym. It's not really appropriate to have results tables on biographies; these should just be subst'd to the election articles. Number   5  7  16:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * delete after substitution into the main election articles. Frietjes (talk) 17:08, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete in the same vein as Gonnym. --Izno (talk) 17:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Bankura 2021 election summary
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 19:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC) Similar to the Tfd on July 27. Either these are used on a single constituency article or multiple. No election mainspace exists for these to be used on, but nonetheless, it adds to another level of confusion for their purpose as very little information can be acquired on these templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Bankura 2021 election summary
 * Cooch Behar 2021 election summary
 * Dakshin 24 Parganas 2021 election summary
 * Malda 2021 election summary
 * Purulia 2021 election summary
 * Uttar 24 Parganas 2021 election summary
 * Uttar Dinajpur 2021 election summary

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 * Delete without subst. These templates are district-wide results but are used on constituency articles. They do not belong there and instead belong on the relevant district election pages or sections (such as 2021 West Bengal Legislative Assembly election) but those pages use a completely different style of tables. Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * delete, no need to have the district-wide results in the constituency articles. Frietjes (talk) 16:43, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
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Dissolved Chinese football club squads
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC) These clubs were dissolved. There are no players at these clubs anymore, since they don't exist anymore. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 14:00, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Beijing Renhe F.C. squad
 * Jiangsu Suning F.C. squad
 * Liaoning Whowin F.C. squad
 * Shanghai Shenxin F.C. squad
 * Tianjin Quanjian F.C. squad
 * Yanbian Funde F.C. squad
 * Delete per nom- we don't keep squad templates for defunct teams. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all All folded/defunct teams. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:41, 15 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 13:41, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:The Mission Athletics Club
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:32, 20 August 2021 (UTC) The article about this club was deleted in 2018. It's a non-defining connection between these people, so template is not needed. We don't have them for other athletics clubs <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 13:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The Mission Athletics Club
 * Delete Non-notable template for a non-notable club. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Meiringen–Innertkirchen railway
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:18, 20 August 2021 (UTC) Unused, there's a superior hard-coded template in the Meiringen–Innertkirchen Railway article. Mackensen (talk) 12:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Meiringen–Innertkirchen railway
 * Delete Unused. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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Mobile Grain RDTs
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Big Sky Rail
 * Last Mountain Railway

Unused rail diagram templates; the combined template covers both systems. Mackensen (talk) 12:07, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If Mobile Grain is a complete replacement, go for it. CapnZapp (talk) 13:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'll defer to you on that score inasmuch as you created all three of them. If it isn't, it shouldn't be too much effort to make it so. Mackensen (talk) 19:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Unused. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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Intercidades RDT diagrams
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:20, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * CPintercidades
 * CPICinline

Unused rail diagram templates for an article on the Portuguese Intercidades service, which was moved to draft and then deleted in 2019. Mackensen (talk) 11:34, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Unused. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Archive bar
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC) This sparsely used archive list template is almost identical to and should be replaced accordingly. --Trialpears (talk) 07:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Archive bar
 * I really wished you'd first present your scheme for a total overhaul for discussion, and only then deleted these as the uncontroversial clean-up it will become afterwards. It isn't uncontroversial cleanup now. The way you're doing it now, you're bulldozing auto-archive templates right and left. Why are you focusing on removing templates that do no harm, risking an end state where lots of nifty little pieces of functionality is just erased, when you have a much more ambitious - and useful - end goal in mind? CapnZapp (talk) 13:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you think I have a well thought through master plan here you are sadly over estimating me. My view on approaches for making archiving more user friendly is outlined at User:Trialpears/Archiving manifesto, but it really should have two more sections on Template improvements (which I've been actively working on with archives in the past few days) and documentation improvements which I sadly have to say have been somewhat neglected by both me and others. Having one big discussion for some master plan would be very difficult, archiving as a whole is just too big of a subject to get sufficient input to get thorough discussion on everything that needs working out if done all at once in my experience.
 * Before starting this and any other discussions here I check out what exactly the template can do from the source code. Here we just have an index link and archive list inside a simple banner all of which is supported by archives. The biggest difference here is that this template isn't at all compatible with the mobile about this page view (which archives soon will be fully compatible with) and that the "Archives" text is bolded and linked. Both these can be replicated using the link parameter, if so desired. I believe however you participated in a discussion last year about confusion between such a link and index pages so I don't feel it's a great thing to add the link using the parameter. I'm ambivalent with regards to bolding.
 * Finally I have to thank you for prompting more discussion. Your inquiries really forces deep thought about proposals which often makes them better and more accesible for people who aren't archiving experts. --Trialpears (talk) 21:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Only used on 114 talk pages. Can be easily replaced. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. I support Trialpears efforts in making the archive process less complex. I'm astonished that after all the TfDs there are still so many of these left. Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Oberweserbahn
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:19, 20 August 2021 (UTC) Unused, there's a superior hard-coded template in the Göttingen–Bodenfelde railway article. Mackensen (talk) 00:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oberweserbahn
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