Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 March 14



Template:Possibly non-free 2D art

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:25, 22 March 2021 (UTC) Unused; redundant to Non-free 2D art; not linked anywhere; created by a now-banned user (though not in violation of any blocks). Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 23:12, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Possibly non-free 2D art
 * Delete - Non-free 2D art says "the copyright for it is most likely owned by either the artist who produced the image, the person who commissioned the work, or their heirs." which would seem to cover the "possibly" aspect of the template being discussed. Unused since 2013. Nigej (talk) 09:16, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Many uncited categories

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:24, 22 March 2021 (UTC) No need for this; Uncited category has similar functionality so this is just a different aesthetic. Unused. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 23:06, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Many uncited categories
 * Delete as unused. Uncited category allows 2 uncited categories, this one 6. The author says in an edit summary that "It works, but this is now a fundamentally different template". However no one's used it in the 3 years of its existence, so 2 is presumably enough, and in any case it seems to me that it would be much better to expand the main template to handle more than 2, rather that having a duplicate. Nigej (talk) 09:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:ThomasEp

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:24, 22 March 2021 (UTC) No need for this; unused. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 22:55, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * ThomasEp
 * Delete as unused. "Links to an episode of Thomas & Friends" Nigej (talk) 09:03, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I created this as part of a large edit to Skarloey Railway, for ing – that page has now been deleted, along with almost all other pages it could be used on (see WT:THOMAS). Whilst it is sad to see so many articles go, keeping templates used only in them is pointless. WT79 (speak to me &#124; [//xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia/WT79 editing patterns] &#124; [//xtools.wmflabs.org/globalcontribs/WT79 what I been doing]) 17:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:History of the United States and Template:Periods in US history

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The result of the discussion was Merge. It's been a while (on that talk page) and no dissents. Propose merging Template:History of the United States with Template:Periods in US history.
 * History of the United States
 * Periods in US history

See full discussion and proposal at Template talk:History of the United States. —GoldRingChip 22:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:China–North Korea relations

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The result of the discussion was keep. Izno (talk) 06:26, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * China–North Korea relations

Another template barely used. Not many notability articles exist in regards to the relations between North Korea and China. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep The template is used fairly decently and has enough articles to guarantee its existence. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 23:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: There's only a few articles about the two countries relations. Not plenty like that of China and the United States. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:14, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Noting it is transcluded in 10 Main space articles. I personally am of the view that every bilateral pair should be created generally, but especially in the case of North Korea, PRC is without doubt their most important ally, and this template provides important navigating between these articles Shushugah (talk) 22:10, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Ten is still low to warrant such a template. Especially given the articles in the template are mostly about dams. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:04, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:The Descent

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 17:39, 21 March 2021 (UTC) Per discussion on talk page, only two links remain and does not meet guidelines defined in MOS:FILM. Engineerchange (talk) 21:52, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The Descent
 * Delete - per WP:NENAN fails the "rule of five". Nigej (talk) 09:23, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete since two is insufficient. Three would be sufficient. "Rule of five" is just an arbitrary number from an essay by a single editor. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 14:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.  DoubleCross  ( ‡ ) 14:04, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Louisville skyscrapers

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Louisville skyscrapers. Izno (talk) 06:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC) Duplicate of an already existing tempate. Zonafan39 (talk) 15:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Louisville skyscrapers
 * Comment It'd be useful if you told us the name of the other one. Nigej (talk) 16:02, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Its this template: Template:Louisville Skyscrapers. Perhaps a redirect? Zonafan39 (talk) 16:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge - "Louisville skyscrapers" is the correct name per WP:LOWERCASE. "Louisville Skyscrapers" can then be deleted. Nigej (talk) 17:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Then can we merge Template:Louisville skyscrapers into Template:Louisville Skyscrapers and make the "S" lowercase, and keep the edit history of that template then? Zonafan39 (talk) 18:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's certainly technically possible. Nigej (talk) 08:59, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge then Zonafan39 (talk) 17:01, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:RTL Group

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Primefac (talk) 01:21, 25 March 2021 (UTC) Propose merging Template:RTL Group with Template:Bertelsmann.
 * RTL Group
 * Bertelsmann

Significant overlap between the two templates. –Piranha249 (Discuss with me) 17:02, 21 February 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge Agreed. User:C0re1980 User talk:C0re1980 14:05, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Questionable navigational value due to the sheer size of these templates. But that remains true even if these aren't merged, I think. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:56, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not a fan of either. I'm going to !vote to keep these separate. Consider a different path to duplication reduction. --Izno (talk) 15:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Piranha249 (Discuss with me) 17:32, 4 March 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: No comments were made since the last relisting, and the discussion remains deadlocked.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Piranha249 (Discuss with me) 15:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Video games by country

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 March 25. Primefac (talk) 01:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Video_games_by_country
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Template:China–Pakistan relations

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The result of the discussion was keep. Izno (talk) 06:27, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * China–Pakistan relations

Barely used in most of the articles listed in the template. Not many articles of notability exist about China and Pakistan's relations. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep This template has relevant use even if currently low usage. The fact it's not used in many of the articles it links to, doesn't preclude that it will/could in the future. Shushugah (talk) 18:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: You're arguing that it will. The matter at hand is of the now. Templates like these don't have merit in remaining because they don't do much for navigation. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:31, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * We may have differing views of utility of templates. From a policy point of view, ie WP:TFD, I am not seeing why it needs to be deleted. It currently is transcluded in 14 separate mainspace articles, where users would realistically see this template. Shushugah (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Realistically? Yes. But how many of those articles are linked within the template? Only a few of them. That is the issue with these templates I have nominated. They're just created for this purpose of creation. Only a few articles have the importance of the relations between the nations such as the eponymous article, the trade agreement, and Xi Jinping's visit to Pakistan. Much of China and Pakistan's relations articles are about power plants, dams, nuclear reactors, or the borders of the countries. Again, not many notability articles exist about their relations that can justify in keeping the template. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:00, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * 1. I am inclined to generally agree that any article linked in a template, should transclude the template. That's not a hard rule though. Some templates even have red links, while others abhor them. For most of these templates we're discussing, I'd prefer if a general policy was drafted at WP:WikiProject International Relations.


 * 2. The fact this template already is transcluded in 14 articles is more than good enough for me. If someone wants to investigate the extra links in the template itself, and either remove them, or update the articles by transcluding the templates, they're welcome to do that. I considered doing that myself directly, but didn't want to appear like I am inflating the numbers by doing so, before we establish consensus of what to do with the templates. Shushugah (talk) 22:06, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * 11 articles is still low though. This template is largely unused as stated in the database reports of unused templates. We can go back and forth on this point, but not every country in the world needs a navigational relations template with all the countries in the world. In this regard, there are way too many that lack the notability of having one and many of them are Pakistan related. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:14, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep It seems to be a strategic geopolitical relationship from what I know off the top of my head. More can definitely be written. Also the 11 pages are definitely enough to justify a navbox.--Prisencolin (talk) 19:31, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: More can be written, sure, absolutely. Nobody can argue against that. But the mainspace article goes into extreme detail about the two nations' relations. The template is bare-bones in comparison and doesn't do much for navigation. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Please refer to Category:China–Pakistan relations for relevant content. There is more than enough information to keep this useful navigation template.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 02:11, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Iran–Pakistan relations

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The result of the discussion was keep. Izno (talk) 06:32, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Iran–Pakistan relations

Barely used in most of the articles listed in the template. Not many articles of notability exist about Iran and Pakistan's relations. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep: This template is inter wiki linked to a similar template in Persian Wikipedia and is transcluded in 11 main articles. Shushugah (talk) 21:54, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Could you post a link to that Persian Wikipedia template? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, here: fa:الگو:روابط_ایران_و_پاکستان Shushugah (talk) 01:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think it warrants keeping. The Farsi version is the same as the English one. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:36, 17 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Similar to my rationale above, Iran and Pakistan are both neighbouring countries and share a (historically significant) bilateral relationship. I don't think the template fails as far as notability is concerned.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 02:17, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Pakistan–Soviet Union relations
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 March 22. Izno (talk) 06:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Pakistan–Soviet_Union_relations
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Template:Pakistan–Russia relations
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 March 22. Izno (talk) 06:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Pakistan–Russia_relations
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Template:Taxonomy/Pompilus (wasp)
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The result of the discussion was keep and delete Template:Taxonomy/Pompilus. Izno (talk) 06:30, 22 March 2021 (UTC) duplicate of Template:Taxonomy/Pompilus (wasp). But I am not sure which one should be kept. Main page (ie Pompilus) is changed to DAB Estopedist1 (talk) 14:11, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Taxonomy/Pompilus (wasp)
 * Keep and delete Template:Taxonomy/Pompilus created by Estopedist1. Since Pompilus is a DAB, it's reasonable that this should be disambiguated in the event that others are created.  Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)  15:46, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * keep this one and delete the unused Template:Taxonomy/Pompilus template. Frietjes (talk) 18:09, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Ig footer
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:42, 21 March 2021 (UTC) No need for a template that is more effort than just writing the 2 characters. It is used in 200 articles, so should subst and delete it <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ig footer
 * Subst/delete Relates to ig header which is up for discussion: Templates for discussion/Log/2021 March 12. International goals header doesn't seem to use a footer template. Nigej (talk) 09:19, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 17:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Subst and delete per Ig header discussion. GiantSnowman 17:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Familytree1
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:37, 21 March 2021 (UTC) Unused and no clear use/documentation. Not edited since 2012. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:45, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Familytree1
 * Delete Familytree itself was redirected to Tree chart last year: Templates for discussion/Log/2020 March 22. This variant of the old Familytree seems to have been left behind. Nigej (talk) 10:22, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:FaZe Studios
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:37, 21 March 2021 (UTC) Bad navbox; FaZe Studios is a redirect to FaZe Clan which already has FaZe Clan. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * FaZe Studios
 * Delete No useful links. Fails WP:NAVBOX. Nigej (talk) 09:34, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Error/sandy
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:37, 21 March 2021 (UTC) Unused apparent duplicate sandbox for template Error; created in 2017 and not edited since. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Error/sandy
 * Delete as unused. Relates somehow to sandboxes. Nigej (talk) 09:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sandy? delete, already have a sandbox. Frietjes (talk) 18:11, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Dp cadj2
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:38, 21 March 2021 (UTC) Created in 2008, I'm assuming that all-such necessary disambiguation pages have already been created. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:38, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Dp cadj2
 * Delete Says it should be substituted only, but I couldn't find any examples. Nigej (talk) 10:06, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Dp cadj
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:38, 21 March 2021 (UTC) Created in 2008 and last seriously edited in 2009, I'm assuming that all-such necessary disambiguation pages have already been created. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:38, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Dp cadj
 * Delete as unused. "This template is for creating a disambiguation page quickly for a country adjectival that has no associated homonymic "people of" or language article." No, I don't understand that either. Nigej (talk) 09:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Defunct category
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:38, 21 March 2021 (UTC) Unused - we don't do this with categories. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Defunct category
 * Delete as unused. Do we retain categories "solely for historical reference"? Nigej (talk) 09:39, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Cite jjournal
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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Clearly created in error Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 15:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC) Unused; should not be a template either way (a single citation). Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Cite jjournal
 * Delete Unused and just text. Nigej (talk) 08:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Citation/COinS2
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC) Unused (appears to be a test from 2009?) Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:30, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Citation/COinS2
 * Delete as unused. Some sort of citation template. Nigej (talk) 08:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:COVID-19 pandemic in Croatia
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC) Navigation template with very limited use and no transclusions. Only a few useful links (the main page and the timeline) which does not justify such a template. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * COVID-19 pandemic in Croatia
 * Delete One of many covid-related templates/articles/etc that need to be culled. Nigej (talk) 08:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Not useful. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 01:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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Template:WikiProject Lahore Invitation
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G8 by AnomieBOT ⚡  12:07, 16 March 2021 (UTC) Project was deleted per Miscellany for deletion/Pakistan-related WikiProjects * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:34, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Lahore Invitation
 * See also Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User WikiProject Lahore and Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 14 * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:34, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete since the project doesn't exist. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 06:30, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete clearly needs to go, with the project removed. Nigej (talk) 08:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as project doesn't exist. I'd argue it probably qualifies for speedy delete as G6 (uncontroversial housekeeping). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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