Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 October 27



Template:Soviet Estonia Elections

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 15:49, 5 November 2021 (UTC) Unused and redundant to Estonian elections, which is used on the relevant articles. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 22:49, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Soviet Estonia Elections
 * Delete, a duplicate of ESSR elections --Nug (talk) 00:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: As duplicate of ESSR elections. Curbon7 (talk) 02:56, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Administrator note, the content in Soviet Estonia Elections and ESSR elections was removed today from Estonian elections. I think the better question is whether these two templates should be merged, though I note that a 2018 TFD indicated they should both be kept. I would encourage to add the ESSR template to this nomination in order to give it a fair discussion (i.e. you should not nominate one of two nearly-identical templates for deletion and leave the second). Primefac (talk) 08:42, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The 2018 TFD was closed with "Keep, per Nug." (with the closer noting the nominator's edit warring on the Moldova template), and I argued for only keeping one template ESSR elections. The other template Soviet Estonia Elections should have been deleted back then but somehow fell through the cracks, so it is apprpriate that Soviet Estonia Elections be deleted now since is a close duplicate of ESSR elections. --Nug (talk) 17:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Noting for the record that the close (by me, incidentally) was just "keep" and nothing more, with no comments or notes otherwise. The diff provided above is a !vote by another editor. Primefac (talk) 21:38, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Apologies, you are partially correct, I had misread the diff, so I’ve struck out that comment. However the majority of participants in that TfD indicated only one should be deleted, not they should both be kept as you claim. —Nug (talk) 22:26, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete and delete ESSR elections, which is a POV fork. Number   5  7  09:38, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * No POV fork here, maybe a case of the eye of the beholder's own strong POV? Clear consensus was achieved in 2018 TFD for keeping ESSR elections, as you well know. Irish (UK) elections isn't a POV fork of Irish elections, nor is East German elections a POV fork of German elections. Different state entities and/or geographic scope warrent different templates. --Nug (talk) 16:56, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It is a clear POV fork, and all the 'keep' votes at the last TfD came from the usual group of Estonian nationalist editors. As for who has the POV, I am not the one who has been topic banned from this area. And the Irish/German election templates are not equivalents – please stop pushing this disingenuous equivalence. Number   5  7  19:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Facepalm. Is the best argument you can come up with is to reference something that happened a decade ago and slurring others who don't agree with your POV as "the usual group of nationalist editors"? How about you start with articulating why the Irish/German election templates are not equivalents? --Nug (talk) 23:23, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Deletion is not the end of the world. But the main Estonia election template should state or categorize the listing of the elections during the Soviet Estonia period. As modern Estonia didn't exist until around 1991/92. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The current template Estonian elections references elections of the ESSR in the footer, in a similar way as the templates for Germany and Ireland do for their respective polities. I'm curious as to where you sourced the notion that modern Estonia didn't exist until around 1991/1992? According to the Estonian parliament, there is direct continuity to the pre-war republic, starting with the 1st-riigikogu of 1920, up until the current sitting 13th riigikogu. --Nug (talk) 23:16, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Pre-war republic and post-Soviet Estonia are two different periods. Modern Estonia doesn't date back to before Soviet rule. History isn't determined by the parliament of the country. And if one template does the job, then there is no need for multiple templates. The main elections template does that. And no the footer doesn't do anything other than link to this template. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:42, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but there are a ton of reliable sources that contradict the claim, see the cites in State continuity of the Baltic states. We could take it to WP:RSN to see if a state's parliament is a reliable source for it's own history. --Nug (talk) 23:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Soviet Estonia Elections as redundant, because we already have ESSR elections. Sidenotice: continuity of pre-war republic and post-Soviet Estonia is well-established.--Estopedist1 (talk) 07:08, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Dutch Caribbean Age Group Championships

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 09:37, 4 November 2021 (UTC) Nothing but red after this Afd deleted the articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Dutch Caribbean Age Group Championships
 * Delete: All red. Curbon7 (talk) 02:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Philippines labelled map

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The result of the discussion was delete. Reasonable nomination, no opposition. Primefac (talk) 09:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC) All unused and have been sitting around for years. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Philippines labelled map
 * Regions of the Philippines Image Map
 * Batanes labelled map
 * Benguet labelled map
 * Bulacan labelled map
 * Camiguin labeled map
 * Ilocos Norte labelled map
 * Ilocos Sur labelled map
 * Occidental Mindoro labelled map
 * Palawan labelled map
 * Pangasinan labelled map
 * Tawi-Tawi labelled map
 * Delete these are unused because (my experience in the anatomy space) such templates are difficult to use, difficult to scale, and occasionally don't work on mobile devies. Additionally because they are maps they will eventually fall out of date. As these are unused, I agree with nom. Tom (LT) (talk) 19:59, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
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Template:1999 Mid-South Conference football standings

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Primefac (talk) 09:38, 4 November 2021 (UTC) Unused template that would be better off as a table in an article. &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 02:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * 1999 Mid-South Conference football standings
 * Keep; member of well-established class of college football standings templates that can and will be used on multiple articles that either exist or should be created including 1999 NAIA football season (redirect that should be created), Georgetown Tigers football or 1999 Georgetown Tigers football team when created, 1999 Lambuth Eagles football team, 1999 Mid-South Conference football season, List of Mid-South Conference football standings, etc. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:01, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You created this template 2 years ago and it is still unused. A template should be created when there is need for it, not because you can. Gonnym (talk) 10:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Substitute on the mainspace as this is single-use. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:53, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The template is no longer single-use; now in use at 1999 NAIA football season and List of Mid-South Conference football standings. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:15, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jweiss11. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a long-standing practice for all college football programs at all levels. It just makes it easier and more accurate to have data in a single comprehensive template.  I can find no reason to delete it, as it meets the criteria outlined in WP:TFD:  There's no policy violation, it isn't redundant, and it is being used and is likely to continue to be used.  Good template.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:46, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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Template:2005 NAIA independents football records

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Primefac (talk) 09:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC) Unused template. I don't think it could be used on many articles anyways. &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 02:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * 2005 NAIA independents football records
 * Keep. Member of well-established class of college football standings templates that can and will be used on multiple articles that either exist or should be created. Now in use at 2005 NAIA football season. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Substitute on the mainspace as this is single-use. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The template is no longer single-use; now in use at 2005 NAIA football season and NAIA independent football schools. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jweiss11. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep another template that is in use--but even if it were not, it is likely to be used in the future as this is standard practice. Wikipedia is not being built in an orderly fashion.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:49, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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Template:SignedWizdzy'sGuestbook topicon

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The result of the discussion was delete. No prejudice against a restoration and subsequent move to the creator's subpage. Primefac (talk) 09:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC) This template seems pretty useless and the long name makes it annoying when searching for "Template:Signed..." The template has also never been used anywhere, just on the sandbox page of the user who created it a while ago. ― Levi_OPTalk 19:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * SignedWizdzy'sGuestbook topicon
 * Delete Unused. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:16, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 19:45, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
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County councils in Washington (state)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  10:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC) Unused navboxes for county councils whose members do not meet appropriate notability requirements, thus making them pointless and decroative.  Sounder Bruce  07:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Clark County Council
 * Pierce County Council
 * San Juan County Council
 * Whatcom County Council
 * Delete No navigational benefit is presented. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:19, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
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