Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 April 4



Template:Mosques in Qatar

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the template's undeletion. ✗ plicit  23:40, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Only two articles related to the subject of mosques in the country. And unused. No navigational requirement is met. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Mosques in Qatar
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Template:Communauté de communes Cœur de Combrailles

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Unused and better served by Template:Puy-de-Dôme communes which features the same articles in the former. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Communauté de communes Cœur de Combrailles
 * Delete per nom. JBchrch   talk  02:37, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Chinese Time:Number

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2022 April 12. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Chinese_Time:Number
 * Chinese_Time:Shike
 * Chinese_Time:cG-point
 * Ctime:03
 * Ctime:O
 * Ctime:R
 * Ctime:s
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Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Punjab, India medical cases

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Unused and hasn't been updated in over two years. No longer needed. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * COVID-19 pandemic data/Punjab, India medical cases


 * Delete per nom Rlink2 (talk) 17:32, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Imran Khan family

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC) No longer necessary after I've added the listed articles into Template:Imran Khan. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Imran Khan family


 * Delete All information related to Imran Khan's family is now part his template, no need for another template just for his family. Elmisnter! (talk) 19:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, makes sense to keep all Imran Khan template info in one place. Aza24 (talk) 20:35, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete: As per nomination, totally unrequired now. User4edits (talk) 22:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Sigenerator & Template:Sigenerator-ip

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Nearly no views, not linked from anywhere, and I would say depreciated. Either the four quotes should be used if you are signing your comment, or Unsigned or Unsigned IP if someone forgot to sign it themselves. Perhaps could be useful if you forgot to sign your own comment and then later decide to go sign it? But I am sure a bot would probably get ahead of you. AdrianHObradors (talk) 18:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Sigenerator
 * Sigenerator-ip
 * Merge to Sigenerator with a switch IPyes; if that template is kept -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:10, 6 April 2022 (UTC);
 * Comment Could you batch the nomination with the nomination of Template:Sigenerator? It avoids redundancy. 2601:647:5800:1A1F:B45D:61AC:E323:660D (talk) 17:55, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Done! AdrianHObradors (talk) 01:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete This template isn't improving the encyclopedia. Cool guy (talk • contribs) • he/they 17:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Term-defn

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC) I am not very familiar still with templates, but this one seems to be a test template? I believe it is empty and not used anywhere, and the documentation is empty as well. AdrianHObradors (talk) 17:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Term-defn
 * Delete: I found Template_talk:Term, where author indicates his reasoning behind making the template. It is meant to combine two different templates. Even if it did work, it would only save three characters as already said by Sbb, and would mean having to maintain another template. I have a question though, does G2, (test pages), from WP:CSD apply to templates? Thanks AdrianHObradors (talk) 18:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom; I can place if that would help expedite the process. fgnievinski (talk) 22:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Morton family

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Unused, no parent article Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 17:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Morton family
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:09, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete no transclusions Rlink2 (talk) 18:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I've added it to the ten article listed on the navbox. Doesn't fail or violate any policy either. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * weak keep, now in use. Frietjes (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:AwardsInCenturyHeader

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:45, 11 April 2022 (UTC) No transclusions, no documentation, no incoming links. I'm guessing that this was replaced by a general-purpose template that performs the same function, but without any discussion links, it is difficult to tell. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * AwardsInCenturyHeader
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying play-offs
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Expired editnotices, no longer needed. These events ended more than eight months ago. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2016 qualifying play-offs
 * Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2020 Group A
 * Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2020 Group B
 * Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2020 Group C
 * Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2020 Group D
 * Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2020 Group E
 * Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2020 Group F
 * Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2020 knockout phase
 * Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2020 statistics
 * Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2020
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete no longer needed, matches finished 8 months ago (or about 6 years ago for the 2016 playoffs one). They were useful at the time, but not anymore. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:18, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Welcome editnotice
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:45, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Apparently unused editnotice proposed in 2011 but apparently not adopted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome editnotice
 * Delete. Seems like a partial fork of TFA editnotice, and I see no likelihood of adoption. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 17:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Not that useful.  NW1223 &lt; Howl at me &bull; My hunts &gt; 16:19, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Major topic editnotice
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Unused editnotice created in mid-2021. No incoming links from talk pages. No apparent transclusions. It appears that this editnotice is not needed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Major topic editnotice
 * Keep. WP:TFD #3 states (emphasis original) The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks),. The use case for this template is clear—articles that have a high risk of summary style violations—so I see no argument for why this has no likelihood of used and therefore no cause for deletion. I went ahead and added it to two articles where it fits. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 16:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Since September 2021, has this been used? Gonnym (talk) 17:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It's currently being used on three articles: entertainment, the arts, and sport. If you're asking about past usage, I forget if I added it to any at the time it was created. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 17:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep now in-use. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 12:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Editnotice SCW CR
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:45, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Editnotice that does not appear to be used anymore. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Editnotice SCW CR
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:CVU editnotice
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Editnotice that appears to be unused, with no incoming links from discussions proposing its use. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * CVU editnotice
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete the edit notice makes no sense. Its textual content is unrelated to the CVU, but it calls itself a CVU template with a CVU badge. Created by a new user with only 1-day's worth of edits and never appearing again -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:LDS Temple/Maceio Brazil Temple
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Duplicate of Template:LDS Temple/Maceió Brazil Temple, which is used. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * LDS Temple/Maceio Brazil Temple


 * Delete. Template:LDS Temple/Maceio Brazil Temple is a duplicate and the template not being used., Thank you for noticing these templates and bringing it up. Dmm1169 (talk) 16:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:LDS Temple/Mexico City Benemérito Mexico
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Duplicate of Template:LDS Temple/Mexico City Benemérito Mexico Temple, which is used. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * LDS Temple/Mexico City Benemérito Mexico


 * Delete. This is a duplicate and not named correctly as it's missing the word "temple" in the templates name. Dmm1169 (talk) 16:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Topklasse cricket seasons
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC) As far as I can see, there are only 2 season articles for this competition (2013 and 2014)- I searched Dutch cricket categories and couldn't find any more season articles. This is too few bluelinks to warrant a template <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:13, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Topklasse cricket seasons
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Great Northern
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:50, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Unused (except for a stale draft) and incomplete version of. Mackensen (talk) 15:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Great Northern
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Saint Petersburg Ring Road
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC) This navigation template is outdated and unmaintained, and the few blue links (one of which is proposed for deletion) are not really related to each other. Mackensen (talk) 14:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Saint Petersburg Ring Road
 * Delete Fails navigation requirements. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Sonic Cinematic Universe
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:02, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Not a thing yet, too soon Indagate (talk) 10:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Sonic Cinematic Universe
 * K. I will Redirect to Template:Sonic the Hedgehog until later. 3040Thirty (talk) 10:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:CRYSTAL/WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH; do not redirect; the old content of the template makes no sense -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - no such thing exists yet. A creator mentioned it in passing, but it hasnt been defined, so it's impossible to populate as is. Sergecross73   msg me  02:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Grammy Award for Best Song Written for Visual Media
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Not only the template is incomplete, the template that was complete was deleted last year. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 04:01, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Grammy Award for Best Song Written for Visual Media
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've never understood why this template keeps getting deleted. It's equal to the Grammy Award for Song of the Year template (where it only lists the song and the songwriters). It's also equal to the Academy Award for Best Original Song, Broadcast Film Critics Association Award for Best Song, Golden Globe Award for Best Original Song and other Best Song templates. SibTower198716:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * yeah! i improvised one bc the original got deleted. somebody fix this Nttdbestsong (talk) 04:31, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * yeah! i improvised one bc the original got deleted. if anybody can make a complete one, pls do! Nttdbestsong (talk) 04:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I've completed the full list of winners of this template! SibTower1987 (talk) 21:10, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. The category has existed since 1988 (over 30 years) and because of that, it should have it's own template. When a template was created, it then got deleted (again and again), and one of the main reasons were that the category wasn't important enough to have a template. The category is the equivalent to the Grammy Award for Song of the Year (in my view) where in that template only lists the song and the songwriter(s). The category is also the equivalent to the Academy Award for Best Original Song, Broadcast Film Critics Association Award for Best Song, Golden Globe Award for Best Original Song, Satellite Award for Best Original Song and other Best Song categories with templates, where a lot of the winners and nominees had also competed in. I recently updated the template to show all of the winners in full and it looks like the template for Grammy Award for Song of the Year. I say the template should stay in place and I also say that it's an important category. I'm sure that they're other users that believe that there should be a template for this category, but is afraid to create one to then just be deleted (again). SibTower1987 (talk) 02:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per SibTower1987 —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 13:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:BLP sources
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:31, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Propose merging Template:BLP sources with Template:More citations needed.
 * BLP sources
 * More citations needed

This template should automatically detect whether it is placed on a BLP page through Category:Living people, and change its appearance accordingly. This simplifies the tagging process, allows for easier prioritization of articles to improve for editors (e.g. BLP ones), and is a more elegant solution than a bot or regular AWB runs (see this and this BRFA). 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 21:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 15:26, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, confusing to human editors to have a template that magically displays totally different text (with different relevant policies) by changing a category. Much more elegant to have templates that just do what their name says they do. —Kusma (talk) 21:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Procedural. I've just declined a request to add TfM tags to those templates, because they're used on very large numbers of pages and so it would initially be disruptive. If the proposed change is shown to be possible and there isn't SNOW-level opposition, then tagging will definitely be needed, at least for the template that's to be merged. – Uanfala (talk) 23:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as it is better to have individual templates depending on the circumstance as there are quite a lot of articles that are difficult to determine whether a page falls under the BLP policy. Also agree with Kusma with how it is more elegant to have separate templates that states when they're supposed to be used. Jeuno  (talk) (contribs) 04:19, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Question - If this merger were to take place, how would editors easily determine which articles with this template were for BLPs (if they wanted to work on them first)? GoingBatty (talk) 15:32, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not see any maintenance categories being affected by this merge, so I don't understand the question. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:58, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support so long as the documentation of the merged template is clear. There are already enough changes to think of quickly when someone dies, and extra effort to decide which of the non-BLP templates to use as replacement (see the list below, which I support for the same reason). David Brooks (talk) 16:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that BLP policy in some cases can apply to recent deaths, see WP:BDP. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:02, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * ETA: to qualify my vote, I rarely edit biographies of recently deceased people, and don't remember ever adjusting categories, so consider the vote based on principle rather than experience. David Brooks (talk) 17:13, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose automatic detection, but would support being a wrapper for . --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * Oppose WP:BLP takes priority "may be" and "must be" are two very different things. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:44, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * When you have templates that are used on so many articles, you run into inconsistencies. There are perhaps, overall, dozens of variants of non-BLP and BLP templates. It's insane to think most editors know about them all and use them appropriately, such that the usages are in sync with what they should be. Even gnome updates are complicated by the fact that so many changes are necessary. Specific examples of non-living-persons that should still be tagged with would be useful to see in exactly which cases the proposed solution wouldn't work. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:12, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, BLP sources is redundant given that it's possible to technically specify if we use it on a BLP page or not. Categories may be put accordingly. For convenience the BLP sources can be redirected to More citations needed. AXO NOV  (talk) ⚑ 08:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose nom, but support Ahecht's wrapper proposal. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:37, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:BLP primary sources
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The result of the discussion was withdrawn. The template is already merged. (non-admin closure) 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 21:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC) Propose merging Template:BLP primary sources with Template:Primary sources.
 * BLP primary sources
 * Primary sources

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Template:BLP unsourced section
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:32, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Propose merging Template:BLP unsourced section with Template:Unreferenced section.
 * BLP unsourced section
 * Unreferenced section

This template should automatically detect whether it is placed on a BLP page through Category:Living people, and change its appearance accordingly. This simplifies the tagging process, allows for easier prioritization of articles to improve for editors (e.g. BLP ones), and is a more elegant solution than a bot or regular AWB runs (see this and this BRFA). 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 21:25, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, confusing to human editors to have a template that magically displays totally different text (with different relevant policies) by changing a category. Much more elegant to have templates that just do what their name says they do. —Kusma (talk) 21:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please demonstrate how this would work in a template sandbox. I am not aware that templates can detect a category on a page. Keep in mind that the template would need to detect the category on the rendered page, not necessarily only in the wikitext. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jonesey95 See comment  —wqnvlz (talk · contribs);  21:19, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, provided (1) that this detection is technically possible and (2) there is an override parameter that allows non-biographies with unreferenced content subject to WP:BLP to be tagged as such. It's silly to use a bot to replicate what can easily be handled by the template itself. Graham (talk) 02:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, although ambivalent towards auto-detection. A reduced number of templates would help in remembering what the template options are. Suggestion: An alternative (or addition) to auto-detection is to have a  parameter, similar to the   parameter on Self-published inline and the parameters on WikiProject banner shell. BLP unsourced section could then remain as a shell where , so people don't need to necessarily relearn. Note, this comment applies to all of these proposals. --Xurizuri (talk) 05:25, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - at the very least, it would be great if the naming of the templates lined up. Is there a reason why one is "unsourced" and the other "unreferenced"? --Xurizuri (talk) 05:28, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Question: I'm looking at Amanda Hesser] which transcludes this template. When I edit it, I get a general BLP edit notice. How does the edit notice detect it? Gonnym (talk) 07:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you elaborate? what I see at Amanda Hesser is the exact same text I see at the top of Template:BLP unsourced section, except for the "find sources" keywords. Though I'm not sure what you mean by "When I edit it"; do you mean in Preview mode? Still the same for me. Mathglot (talk) 10:23, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Code in MediaWiki:Common.js (currently starting at line 144) uses JavaScript to inspect the categories of the page and modify the edit links at view time (and has nothing to do with this template). A template or module can't do that, it runs at parse time and has no simple access to the categories. Using JS to change the text of the banner at view time might cause page jumps and wouldn't take effect for people on non-JS devices. Anomie⚔ 15:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose section-based templates (and corresponding task at BRFA), since sections might not share the category of the article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Good point. I was leaning support until this. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 17:59, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Searching the raw wikitext is relatively simple, as it can be retrieved using the Lua function title:getContent (which Module:Page enables calling like a template). Sample implementation in X42 ( permalink permalink), with result shown on X43 ( permalink permalink) . Unless the performance impact of using frame:preprocess to expand every page the templates are used on is considered acceptable, I don't think it's possible to detect categories properly. However, it does seem like most BLP pages have Category:Living people as a simple link in the wikitext.Note: The server does have a table of page links (including category links), which is what the experimental (not enabled on public wikis) Lua library CategoryToolbox uses internally to check if a page belongs to a category. The discount, wikitext-only way to do this would be to transclude Special:Whatlinkshere, which only returns 5 000 links at once (Category:Living people has around 1 million pages).   —wqnvlz (talk · contribs);  21:07, 5 April 2022 (UTC) : Changed to clearer permalinks  —wqnvlz (talk · contribs);  20:57, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I would rather see a yes parameter/value combination. Using getContent can have undesired side effects; see this discussion and the section after it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:34, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * Oppose per Kusma. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma + the apparent ambivalence in wqnvlz's and Jonesey95's exchange. QuietHere (talk) 04:03, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Kusma's reasoning is sound. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Speatle (talk) 12:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose automatic detection, but would support being a wrapper for . --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * Oppose as WP:BLP should be a priority. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:41, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma G41rn8 (talk) 19:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma. Totally understand the rationale behind this one but it's confusing to folks who may not understand why a template looks one way one time and, with a change that has nothing to do with that template, then looks different. Jessamyn (my talk page) 03:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma. Textorus (talk) 09:49, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, BLP unsourced section is redundant given that it's possible to technically specify if we use it on a BLP page or not. Categories may be put accordingly. For convenience the BLP unsourced section can be redirected to unsourced section. AXO NOV  (talk) ⚑ 08:27, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose A section may be effectively a BLP even if the whole article isn't. Plus the Living people category isn't applied 100% of the time. Turning the template into a wrapper is an option though. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:40, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:BLP unsourced
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:32, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Propose merging Template:BLP unsourced with Template:Unreferenced.
 * BLP unsourced
 * Unreferenced

This template should automatically detect whether it is placed on a BLP page through Category:Living people, and change its appearance accordingly. This simplifies the tagging process, allows for easier prioritization of articles to improve for editors (e.g. BLP ones), and is a more elegant solution than a bot or regular AWB runs (see this and this BRFA). 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 21:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, confusing to human editors to have a template that magically displays totally different text (with different relevant policies) by changing a category. Much more elegant to have templates that just do what their name says they do. —Kusma (talk) 21:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, unreferenced content in a BLP is not necessarily biographical, and content in an article that is not a biography can fall under the BLP policy (which has a terrible name, as it is not just about biographies). If the template can automatically detect these false positives and negatives, I may change my opinion. —Kusma (talk) 21:56, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: See comment in the above TFD about category detection. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, provided (1) that this detection is technically possible and (2) there is an override parameter that allows non-biographies with unreferenced content subject to WP:BLP to be tagged as such. It's silly to use a bot to replicate what can easily be handled by the template itself. Graham (talk) 02:32, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Kusma makes some good points too. Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  04:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * Oppose per Kusma. Fram (talk) 07:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose while I don't have a problem with the unreferenced template having the functionality to add the BLP bits if appropriate, I don't see any advantage in removing the option for people to tag an article as "BLP unsourced" if that is the correct tag to apply.  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  09:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe one can say that it would be the correct tag to display, which would be handled automatically as stated in the nomination. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose for same reasons as in the related proposal above. QuietHere (talk) 04:04, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Kusma's reasoning is sound here too. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * oppose the notability criteria for BLPs, and non BLPs are widely different, so their sorting should be separate as well. Due to the stringent criteria for notability, it should be easier to sort unreferenced BLPs and non non BLPs. Even after merging if it is possible, then why should we fix something that ain't broken. Also per Kusma. —usernamekiran (talk) 06:15, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose automatic detection, but would support being a wrapper for . --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * Oppose WP:BLP takes priority "may be" and "must be" are two very different things. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:44, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, BLP unsourced is redundant given that it's possible to technically specify if we use it on a BLP page or not. Categories may be put accordingly. For convenience the BLP unsourced can be redirected to unsourced. AXO NOV  (talk) ⚑ 08:26, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, BLP unsourced is redundant given that it's possible to technically specify if we use it on a BLP page or not. Categories may be put accordingly. For convenience the BLP unsourced can be redirected to unsourced. AXO NOV  (talk) ⚑ 08:26, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose: this category is acutely patrolled, combining serves no purpose -- J04n(talk page) 13:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * This is already affecting hundreds of pages. If you look at some pages needing copyediting, you will see this. The discussion is causing a little banner to appear upon a unsourced template. Cool guy (talk • contribs) • he/they 01:35, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @User:Cranloa12n are you addressing me? i'm not understanding your point J04n(talk page) 14:49, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * no Cool guy (talk • contribs) • he/they 14:57, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:BLP self-published
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The result of the discussion was do not merge. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:32, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Propose merging Template:BLP self-published with Template:Self-published.
 * BLP self-published
 * Self-published

This template should automatically detect whether it is placed on a BLP page through Category:Living people, and change its appearance accordingly. This simplifies the tagging process, allows for easier prioritization of articles to improve for editors (e.g. BLP ones), and is a more elegant solution than a bot or regular AWB runs (see this and this BRFA). 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 21:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, confusing to human editors to have a template that magically displays totally different text (with different relevant policies) by changing a category. Much more elegant to have templates that just do what their name says they do. —Kusma (talk) 21:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: See comment in the above TFD about category detection. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, provided (1) that this detection is technically possible and (2) there is an override parameter that allows non-biographies with unreferenced content subject to WP:BLP to be tagged as such. It's silly to use a bot to replicate what can easily be handled by the template itself. Graham (talk) 02:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:49, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose for same reasons as in the related proposal above. QuietHere (talk) 04:05, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * Oppose automatic detection, but would support being a wrapper for . --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * Oppose WP:BLP takes priority "may be" and "must be" are two very different things. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:44, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, BLP self-published is redundant given that it's possible to technically specify if we use it on a BLP page or not. Categories may be put accordingly. For convenience the BLP self-published can be redirected to self-published. AXO NOV  (talk) ⚑ 08:25, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Kusma. XtraJovial (talk) 20:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:BLP sources section
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The result of the discussion was Keep separate. Asides from snowball against merging, a separate template is preferred given BLP nature and also technically cannot rely on categories. Alternative suggestions were made, but would be better as a separate discussion then. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:48, 11 April 2022 (UTC) Propose merging Template:BLP sources section with Template:More citations needed section.
 * BLP sources section
 * More citations needed section

This template should automatically detect whether it is placed on a BLP page through Category:Living people, and change its appearance accordingly. This simplifies the tagging process, allows for easier prioritization of articles to improve for editors (e.g. BLP ones), and is a more elegant solution than a bot or regular AWB runs (see this and this BRFA). 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 21:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 15:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: See comment in the above TFD about category detection. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. BLP must be separate from the rest due to urgency. BLP sources must be found asap; non-BLP sources are in due course. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Merging the corresponding maintenance categories is not proposed here, as should follow from the nomination statement. (This also applies to the one comment lower.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per No Great Shaker.  NW1223 &lt; Howl at me &bull; My hunts &gt; 16:23, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose section-based templates (and corresponding task at BRFA), since sections might not share the category of the article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose You have a good idea there with it sensing Category:Living people. But I agree with No Great Shaker's and Jonesey95's points.  interstatefive  (talk) - just another roadgeek 01:13, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per NGS. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose for same reasons as in the related proposal above. QuietHere (talk) 04:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Kusma's reasoning is sound here as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:54, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose automatic detection, but would support being a wrapper for . --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * Oppose: BLP missing or having incorrect sources is usually more dangerous that other articles, and so deserve a separate, more urgent sounding, template. Hextor26 (talk) 16:59, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose WP:BLP takes priority "may be" and "must be" are two very different things, also per Kusma. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 05:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, BLP sources section is redundant given that it's possible to technically specify if we use it on a BLP page or not. Categories may be put accordingly. For convenience the BLP sources section can be redirected to More citations needed section. AXO NOV  (talk) ⚑ 08:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose A section may be effectively a BLP even if the whole article isn't. Plus the Living people category isn't applied 100% of the time. Turning the template into a wrapper is an option though, as per Ahecht's suggestion. It should not simply map straight to a non-BLP template. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:06, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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Template:BLP no footnotes
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:33, 12 April 2022 (UTC) Propose merging Template:BLP no footnotes with Template:No footnotes.
 * BLP no footnotes
 * No footnotes

This template should automatically detect whether it is placed on a BLP page through Category:Living people, and change its appearance accordingly. This simplifies the tagging process, allows for easier prioritization of articles to improve for editors (e.g. BLP ones), and is a more elegant solution than a bot or regular AWB runs (see this and this BRFA). 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 22:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: See comment in the above TFD about category detection. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, provided (1) that this detection is technically possible and (2) there is an override parameter that allows non-biographies with unreferenced content subject to WP:BLP to be tagged as such. It's silly to use a bot to replicate what can easily be handled by the template itself. Graham (talk) 02:34, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Keep BLP separate due to its high importance. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Merging the corresponding maintenance categories is not proposed here, as should follow from the nomination statement. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. Logical merge. (If Graham’s concerns are met) 98.217.255.37 (talk) 16:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose for same reasons as in the related proposal above. QuietHere (talk) 04:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * Oppose automatic detection, but would support being a wrapper for . --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * Oppose automatic detection, would support being a wrapper for, as suggested by Ahecht. Truthanado (talk) 20:24, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose WP:BLP takes priority "may be" and "must be" are two very different things. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:44, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the same argument as Knowledgekid87. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 00:23, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support the suggested simplification. The alternative wrapper suggestion is also an improvement over the current situation. gidonb (talk) 04:11, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, BLP no footnotes is redundant given that it's possible to technically specify if we use it on a BLP page or not. Categories may be put accordingly. For convenience the BLP no footnotes can be redirected to no footnotes. AXO NOV  (talk) ⚑ 08:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose nom, but support Ahecht's wrapper suggestion. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:07, 10 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose nominator, but I don't see how BLP no footnotes couldn't be a wrapper, as per Ahecht. XtraJovial (talk) 20:13, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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