Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 August 23



Template:Obama family tree

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The result of the discussion was keep. Izno (talk) 19:12, 31 August 2022 (UTC) Family tree chart which is primarily article content in template navbox space. Obama is single-use, but the Michelle template is being used across several articles but is not a standard navigational box. Both should be substituted in a collapsible format on Family of Barack Obama as part of the article and not through template transclusion. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Obama family tree
 * Family of Michelle Robinson Obama
 * Oppose: Well the Obama one could be subst-ed (makes no difference, why bother to change it) but the Michelle one is quite logically being reused, and there is no reason at all why a family tree should be "a standard navigational box": a family tree's function is not primarily navigation, and the fact that this one has multiple applications already says quite clearly that subst-ing it and then letting each version diverge is definitely a no-no - that's a very good reason for having a template. The suggestion that both should be made collapsible is actually undesirable if it means collapsed-by-default; if it means providing a "hide" button, well, that can easily be done with a family tree or any other box for that matter. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:16, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If the Michelle Obama template was logically used, it would be contain links in a list like any other navbox, but this isn't doing that. I don't see the point in having a separate navbox for her family which is just a tree chart when such charts are used on article spaces or if on template space it doesn't have the navbox style or format. A navbox for her can be created as there enough articles under her category and subcats which would logically include her family that have their own articles. And yes I mean collapsed by default with the option of show and hide on the article itself. And Template namespace makes it clear on single-use and template storing article content very clear which is what these two are respectively in violation of a standard and widely accepted practice on Wikipedia. Hence my nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:30, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:49, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is perfectly fine to have this information in a template; it will make no difference to the end user but it will keep the family tree clutter out of the wikitext of the article, thereby making the article easier to navigate for editing. —  Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the Ancestries subsection. If the boxes for both of them are part of the article, then the same information in both these templates can be replicated in the same format without the need for template transclusion. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * we have quite a few family tree templates, any of these are only used in one article. I fixed these two to use chart top and chart bottom when used as standard family tree templates (which should show in print and mobile).  I don't think these should be used as navboxes, and although I hacked something in there to allow them to be displayed as navboxes, I would fully support removing "Family of Michelle Robinson Obama" in places where it is used as a navbox.  but, even if those uses are removed, I think there is some benefit to keeping them as simple family tree templates.  that is unless we are having a broader discussion about all single-use family tree templates. Frietjes (talk) 20:24, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Not really a broader discussion about single-use family tree chart templates, but the changes you made are in fact helpful and should be substituted on the main family article with the hide and show options available with their natural setting to hide to avoid the article from appearing larger or longer than it should be. But if the Michelle Obama template is to be used across multiple articles then it should be transcluded given the changes you made placed in relevant sections rather than being a navbox. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:34, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Big East Conference women's basketball statistical leaders navbox

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  01:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC) This navbox doesn't meet the requirements of at least three or more active articles. Only UConn has an article. Can re-create once there are more. Corky 23:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Big East Conference women's basketball statistical leaders navbox
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:31, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Rosalynn Carter series

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the template's undeletion. ✗ plicit  13:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Contains four links outside of the main subject and redundant in comparison to the navbox, Template:Rosalynn Carter. There's no need for a sidebar when a navbox is doing the job already. Two templates for the same purpose are not useful. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:43, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Rosalynn Carter series
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Template:House of the Dragon episodes

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  01:36, 31 August 2022 (UTC) Far too early, WP:NENAN. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 23:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * House of the Dragon episodes


 * Go Ahead But We Will Need This Template in The Future. Brandon Targaryen (talk) 23:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:31, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Souls (band)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 18:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Completely redundant. As none of the albums have an article, the only place where this template is used is in the band's article and the articles of band members – all the past and present band members are already linked in the article text, so there's no reason to have a navbox in addition providing the same function. Richard3120 (talk) 16:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Souls (band)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:31, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Australia national rugby union team record

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 18:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC) This is article content that belongs at Australia national rugby union team or a similar page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Australia national rugby union team record
 * Delete and merge content into some form of table with prose on the main article. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:55, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Content of Luke

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  13:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Used in only one page. The content basically duplicates the TOC for that page, and the specific links, if interesting, should probably be in the content proper. Recommend full deletion, but subst and removal would be fine also. Izno (talk) 05:53, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Content of Luke
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:32, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Korea

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  13:20, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Infobox used on only one mainspace page, apparent duplicate of Infobox Korean name. Izno (talk) 05:44, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Infobox Korea
 * Infobox Korea/Header
 * Infobox Korea/Both Koreas
 * Infobox Korea/Footer
 * Delete new(ish) duplication of existing template, as we can see from the talk page comment -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 06:30, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox nutrition facts

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  13:19, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Apparently deprecated for nearly a decade but still has some dozen uses. Should be replaced by Infobox nutritional value. Izno (talk) 05:16, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Infobox nutrition facts
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:32, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Sidebar metric prefixes

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  07:16, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Single use in non-mainspace page. Suggest subst and delete. Izno (talk) 04:54, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sidebar metric prefixes
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:32, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Darts player table

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  07:14, 30 August 2022 (UTC) Unused since creation in 2010. Izno (talk) 04:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Darts player table
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:32, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Galaxybox begin

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  03:49, 30 August 2022 (UTC) This template and its children are effectively a duplicate of infobox galaxy but are used significantly less (1.3k v. ~20). I'd also recommend deleting the redirect. Izno (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Galaxybox begin
 * Galaxybox image
 * Galaxybox observe
 * Galaxybox character
 * Galaxybox astrometry
 * Galaxybox catalog
 * Galaxybox reference
 * Galaxybox end


 * Conversion and delete: the only significant difference is in the appearance. Praemonitus (talk) 13:43, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Conversion, not substing, is called for. :) Izno (talk) 17:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks. Praemonitus (talk) 14:31, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Red Cat Holdings
<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 02:43, 30 August 2022 (UTC) One blue link, leaving nothing to navigate. ✗ plicit  00:50, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Red Cat Holdings
 * Delete: no main article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:17, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:32, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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