Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 January 29



Template:Sugar Land Space Cowboys

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:50, 5 February 2022 (UTC) WP:NENAN. This one only contains the main page link, a link to their ballpark, links to two sections on the main page, and a link to a category. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Sugar Land Space Cowboys
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nothing like enough articles to need a navbox. Nigej (talk) 07:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Provides no useful navigation. NatureBoyMD (talk) 13:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Disambiguation needed/editintro

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 21:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC) Doesn't appear to be used, and duplicates content at WikiProject Disambiguation/Fixing links. User:GKFXtalk 19:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 22:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation needed/editintro
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per nomination. Duplicates content on project page. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Orphaned in 2020 with this edit to the parent template. I have updated the template's documentation to reflect the change. The content in this template has been moved to the project-space page linked above. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Youth Judo Championships navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 2009 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2010 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2011 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2012 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2013 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2014 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2015 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2016 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2017 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2018 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2019 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2020 Youth Judo Championships
 * 2021 Youth Judo Championships
 * Youth Judo Championships navigational boxes

The templates were merged with equivalent templates: 2009 in IJF World Tour, 2010 in IJF World Tour, 2011 in IJF World Tour, 2012 in IJF World Tour, 2013 in IJF World Tour, 2014 in IJF World Tour, 2015 in IJF World Tour, 2016 in IJF World Tour, 2017 in IJF World Tour, 2018 in IJF World Tour, 2019 in IJF World Tour, 2020 in IJF World Tour & 2021 in IJF World Tour to improve page connectivity. I was the creator of the above templates. CLalgo (talk) 22:06, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination and since the nominator is the creator. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:G7. Nigej (talk) 07:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Elections in Croatia before independence

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 09:33, 9 February 2022 (UTC) Unused and redundant to Template:Elections in Austria-Hungary and Template:Croatian elections. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Elections in Croatia before independence
 * Delete per nom. Personally I find the split between pre- and post-WWI better. Elections in Croatia basically starts in 1990. Where there's a problem is that Croatian elections (which only covers post-WWI) appears in articles like 1870 Dalmatian parliamentary election. This fails WP:BIDIRECTIONAL "Every article that transcludes a given navbox should normally also be included as a link in the navbox, so that the navigation is bidirectional." Nigej (talk) 22:01, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a leftover from a never settled discussion at Template_talk:Croatian_elections where User:Number 57 and myself couldn't agree that actual independence is an event pivotal enough to split templates at. I still think the current layout is wrong, and ironically I am Croatian while someone else is arguing the point of Croatian nationalists. And now you notice this without noticing that discussion. Amazing. Sometimes, Wikipedia can be really frustrating. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 09:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I did notice the previous discussion, since it is mentioned in the Revision history. However this is a new discussion, that's how it goes. Nigej (talk) 20:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * but then I'm confused how you missed the fact this article currently includes a 1940 link that is in turn missing from the Yugoslav template... Likewise, what would be the problem with 1870 Dalmatian parliamentary election being fixed to transclude this template, instead of having a (broken) inclusion of the post-independence template? --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 18:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I noticed the 1940 link too. However we're discussing the general principles here, not the fine details. Clearly the 1870 Dalmatian election issue can be fixed too. Surely the reality is that the 1990 election/1991 referendum are much more closely related to the post-1991 elections that to those in the old empire. As I noted, Elections in Croatia seems to start in 1990. Given that situation it seems to me logical that we have a navbox that covers that period. WP:NAVBOX says "The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article." But 1870 Dalmatian parliamentary election only says "Parliamentary elections were held in the Kingdom of Dalmatia in 1870." It doesn't talk about this election in terms of "Croatia before independence". WP:NAVBOX says "The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent." I can't see that here between old and new. Also "There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template." so where's the article called Elections in Croatia before independence. "If the collection of articles does not meet these criteria, the articles are likely loosely related. A list, category, or neither, may accordingly be more appropriate." Nigej (talk) 19:25, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand how this can be confusing. The Kingdom of Dalmatia mostly corresponds to the modern-day Dalmatia, which is part of Croatia. I suppose expecting readers to make all those inferences could be too much. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 20:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Anyway, enough with long discussions. You need to say whether you want to keep this template or not, with arguments based on Wikipedia policies and guidelines, etc. Nigej (talk) 06:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I honestly don't care much about the specific template location; the content merely needs to be consistent, instead of all this nonsense that seems to be taking years to fix. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 22:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Loyola Marymount Lions men's ice hockey navbox

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:48, 5 February 2022 (UTC) No transclusions, no main article, zero links to articles that mention this ice hockey team. OK to userfy if the creator plans to create the relevant articles in the near future. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Loyola Marymount Lions men's ice hockey navbox
 * Delete Zero content. Not even mentioned in the one link we have Pacific Coast Conference. Nigej (talk) 19:49, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Lists of 20th-century state leaders

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  00:24, 6 February 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. These articles have all been merged, so there are really only two articles links in the body of this navbox, and State leaders by century is currently a better template for linking to country leaders by time period. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Lists of 20th-century state leaders
 * Delete per nom. Only 2 real links and the template noted is clearly the way forward. Nigej (talk) 19:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Latest stable software release/vBulletin

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:47, 5 February 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. This single-article content is being managed locally in the relevant article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Latest stable software release/vBulletin
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Latest stable software release/Spark (XMPP client)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:47, 5 February 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. This single-article content is being managed locally in the relevant article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Latest stable software release/Spark (XMPP client)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Latest stable software release/Darwin

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:47, 5 February 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. This single-article content is being maintained in the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Latest stable software release/Darwin
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Adminer version

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:47, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Unexplained fork/recreation of the standard Latest stable software release/Adminer at a non-standard name. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Adminer version
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Latest preview software release/Sandboxie

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. This template has been blanked, with an edit summary of "will be managed locally in the article". This makes sense for a single-article template containing article content. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Latest preview software release/Sandboxie
 * Latest stable software release/Sandboxie
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Events at the 2016 Arctic Winter Games

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Unused, all articles linked are now deleted via PROD. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Events at the 2016 Arctic Winter Games
 * Delete per nom. Follow-up to Templates for discussion/Log/2022 January 22. Nigej (talk) 18:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Latest preview software release/Netscape Browser
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:42, 5 February 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. The relevant article is pulling information from Wikidata that would otherwise be provided by this template. A few of these "latest software release" templates pop up as unused every week, which makes me think that the software wikiproject is moving away from these dedicated single-article templates in favor of Wikidata and in-article content. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:23, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Latest preview software release/Netscape Browser
 * Latest stable software release/AOL Explorer
 * Latest preview software release/WinSCP
 * Latest preview software release/Trillian
 * Latest preview software release/Sipdroid
 * Latest stable software release/gThumb
 * Latest stable software release/WinZip
 * Latest stable software release/WinRAR
 * Latest stable software release/Trillian
 * Latest stable software release/BetterZip
 * Latest stable software release/Android Studio
 * Latest stable software release/Shotcut
 * Latest stable software release/Ruby on Rails
 * Latest stable software release/Psi
 * Latest stable software release/Netscape Communicator
 * Latest stable software release/MPlayer
 * Latest stable software release/GNU Emacs
 * Latest stable software release/Brave (web browser)


 * Comment Honestly I feel like the way these templates are used are a bit unintuitive. Editors have to put a comment in the main article "don't put the version here, edit this template instead". It causes a lot of confusion. I would be fine with getting rid of these templates. Ahiijny (talk) 21:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete During this discussion, Template:Latest stable software release/Brave (web browser) became unused. I added it to the list. —Dexxor (talk) 06:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * As I've pointed out at Template:Infobox software's talk page, there is code ready to use Wikidata automatically without needing any templates or manual wikidata code in each page. Gonnym (talk) 10:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Cretaceous
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Single-transclusion template, article content. Either use it in multiple articles or subst and delete it so that it is easier to edit in the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Cretaceous
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Template:Extinction events graphical timeline which it also uses is the correct template here. Gonnym (talk) 10:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Portuguese National FA Levels
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Content now at Portuguese football league system, a much better place rather than hidden away here. Nigej (talk) 18:05, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Portuguese National FA Levels
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 20:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Poland III Liga Group IV
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:13, 5 February 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. The need for this navbox is met by the more comprehensive Polish Third League. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Poland III Liga Group IV
 * Poland III Liga Group I
 * Poland III Liga Group II
 * Comment I've added two related ones which are now also unused. Nigej (talk) 17:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Outdated navboxes superseded by the one noted. They still have the teams for the 2007-08 season. Nigej (talk) 17:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 20:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Mathematicians by century
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:13, 5 February 2022 (UTC) No transclusions. Has been replaced on category pages by the standard Navseasoncats. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:17, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Mathematicians by century
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Wikipedia's sister projects/CSS
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 17:12, 5 February 2022 (UTC) No transclusions or documentation. Unused subpage with only one incoming link from a 2004 talk page discussion saying that it doesn't look right. It looks fine now, but it is no longer useful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:13, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's sister projects/CSS
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:05, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Polyhedra DB
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:06, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Unused. See also Templates for discussion/Log/2022 January 22 Gonnym (talk) 13:11, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Polyhedra DB
 * Delete original creator. Very outdated. --Salix alba (talk): 17:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Hidden information
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The result of the discussion was delete. Replaced by banner holder in talk pages see here. Feel free to replace these with something else (like copied) where appropriate. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 15:34, 5 February 2022 (UTC) This template is used on around 40 pages, however it is completely uneeded. The 4 usages in article space should be removed completely per MOS:DONTHIDE and the ones on the talk page either converted to what is standard or just removed completely. Gonnym (talk) 12:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hidden information


 * For example, at Talk:List of Catholic titular sees it should use the correct Template:Copied syntax. Gonnym (talk) 12:49, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Replace wtih banner shell, which is the correct talkpage template to collapse non-WikiProject banner boxes, info is converted to 1 and title is converted to text -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:23, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Spb
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Unused template. Gonnym (talk) 12:01, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Spb
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:BlueBadge
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Not a template. Transcludes self and 3 non-existent categories. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 10:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * BlueBadge
 * Delete No idea why it was created. Nigej (talk) 17:34, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Hollywood Music in Media Awards Chron
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC) User created this and HMMA Chron two minutes apart. They cover exactly the same topic. HMMA Chron is used but this one isn't, although people are still making occasional edits to it. Best to get rid of the duplication. Nigej (talk)
 * Hollywood Music in Media Awards Chron
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Wide template
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2022 February 5. ✗ plicit  12:50, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Royal houses of Europe
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The result of the discussion was split. There was no specific consensus on how granular to be with the split (i.e. whether it is just going "by region" or further down to "by country") so that will be left as an exercise for the editor(s) splitting this template. Also note that some of the latter template already exist. Primefac (talk) 14:16, 6 February 2022 (UTC) Seems redundant to Category:European royal families, but more importantly, there are so many of these that this template is really unmanageably large - looking at the suggestions of WP:NAVBOX, this doesn't look like the best way to do this. It might be possible to split this into smaller ones, but then it would still be redundant with the categories without adding much of its own (for ex.; does Template:Royal Houses of Wales really add anything useful that isn't already in Category:Welsh royal houses?) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Royal houses of Europe
 * Comment: I've just seen this navbox pop up and I'm not sure if I have a definitive opinion on deleting it yet, but certainly the template seems way too broad in scope. As is, for example, it includes everything from the Argead dynasty (8th-4th century BC Greek-Macedonian dynasty) to the Almohad dynasty (12th-13th century North African empire that ruled part of the Iberian Peninsula) to the Romanov dynasty (17th-20th century dynasty of Russia). These are certainly not relatable to each other per the guidelines of WP:NAVBOX. Plus, there's a lot of redundancy because many of the articles are listed for multiple countries; e.g. Habsburg and Ottoman are linked a total of 10 times each, Bonaparte 6 times, etc.
 * Maybe if someone has a good alternative suggestion on how to rework it instead, I might see a good reason not to delete it; but if it's just accumulating unvetted links over time, just delete it so it doesn't take up more space in articles with already numerous navboxes. R Prazeres (talk) 04:23, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete or split. Over-repetitive and too broad in scope. Per WP:NAVBOX, "a small, well-defined group of articles; templates with a large number of links are not forbidden, but can appear overly busy and be hard to read and use" and "articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent". DrKay (talk) 09:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Split then delete Split each one of the sections into its own template(s) and then delete this one. It'll make navigating much easier. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Seems too be too disparate a set to be useful. Nigej (talk) 07:39, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep or split - I always preferred all the project's navigational templates and infoboxes (at one point infoboxes were nearly abolished, and that was bewildering to me) - it gives you informed shortcut (which often carries more info than categories) for whatever you search for - it's better to preserve it and eventually fix its technical, manageability and other shortcomings than lose it altogether.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  13:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Split then delete. The split option will let us see if this works better, it might still be too broad and unhelpful, but this should be the first step before total deletion. Gonnym (talk) 15:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Audio-fi
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  03:08, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Supposed to be used for Finnish audio files but not used anywhere relating to the Finnish language. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Audio-fi
 * Delete per nom. Can someone explain why we need any of the 10 Audio-xx templates. Nigej (talk) 06:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Current US House Other caucuses
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  03:08, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Not used anywhere and no links to any article relevant to the navbox. No benefit here. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:12, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Current US House Other caucuses
 * Delete It's not used because it was commented out at Current members of the U.S. House of Representatives because there are none currently. Previously there was one. Either way it's not a satisfactory solution to create an entirely new navbox just for the odd 1 or 2. A solution needs to be found at Current members of the U.S. House of Representatives, ie adding them there directly. Nigej (talk) 06:59, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Cycling data EFT
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The result of the discussion was delete all except Template:Cycling data Ironage. ✗ plicit  03:10, 5 February 2022 (UTC) Unused cycling templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:55, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Cycling data EFT
 * Cycling data Ironage
 * Cycling past winner unknown
 * Cyclist data 2015
 * Cyclist men nationality data 2015
 * Cyclist men team data 2015
 * Delete all but Ironage, which I added to some pages, the others have no applicable uses so are good to delete. Seacactus 13 (talk) 03:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Ironage can stay. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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