Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 July 11



Template:ÖPNV Stuttgart

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:33, 18 July 2022 (UTC) replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Stuttgart S-Bahn Frietjes (talk) 23:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ÖPNV Stuttgart
 * S-line/SBS left/S5
 * S-line/SBS left/S6
 * S-line/SBS left/S60
 * S-line/SBS right/S1
 * S-line/SBS right/S2
 * S-line/SBS right/S3
 * S-line/SBS right/S4
 * S-line/SBS right/S5
 * S-line/SBS right/S6
 * S-line/SBS right/S60
 * SBS color
 * SBS lines
 * SBS stations
 * SBS style
 * Delete per nom. --Gonnym (talk) 08:17, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Dresden S-Bahn

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The result of the discussion was delete as unused and superseded. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:29, 18 July 2022 (UTC) replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Dresden S-Bahn Frietjes (talk) 17:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Dresden S-Bahn
 * S-line/VVO-SB left/1
 * S-line/VVO-SB right/1
 * S-line/VVO-SB left/2
 * S-line/VVO-SB right/2
 * S-line/VVO-SB left/3
 * S-line/VVO-SB right/3
 * VVO-SB color
 * VVO-SB lines
 * VVO-SB stations
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 19:43, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Philippines–South Korea relations

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2022 July 18. ✗ plicit  23:34, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Philippines–South_Korea_relations
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Template:SS seasons

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:45, 18 July 2022 (UTC) An orphan template with only redlinks. DaHuzyBru (talk) 13:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * SS seasons
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete 2018 Summer Series and its parent league have been deleted per PROD. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 04:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Summer Series

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC) Main article and all associated articles deleted by PROD, only remaining blue links are all educational institutions that happen to have teams in this non-notable league. –LaundryPizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 12:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Summer Series
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 16:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Assala Nasri
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  11:22, 18 July 2022 (UTC) The template lists a series of links, all of which redirect to the main subject's article. Thus, it serves no purpose and can be deleted. Keivan.f Talk 11:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Assala Nasri
 * Delete per nom. I created the template ten years ago in 2012, back then the links were alive. If they were replaced by redirects the template is pointless. --Muhandes (talk) 12:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Ukrainian armed forces
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  11:21, 18 July 2022 (UTC) Unused icon template. Gonnym (talk) 08:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ukrainian armed forces
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 16:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:UK Coastguard rank insignia
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  11:21, 18 July 2022 (UTC) Unused rank insignia table. Gonnym (talk) 08:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * UK Coastguard rank insignia
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 16:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:UK Parliament bills
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  11:21, 18 July 2022 (UTC) Unused external link template. Gonnym (talk) 08:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * UK Parliament bills
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 16:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox themed area
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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:40, 17 July 2022 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Infobox themed area with Template:Infobox amusement park.
 * Infobox themed area
 * Infobox amusement park

Infobox themed area is simply a wrapper of Infobox amusement park that does not add any information. Perhaps a redirect would be a better suit. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  14:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: See previous TFD from 2019, closed as "no consensus". – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:18, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It appears that by looking at the edit history Infobox themed area was a redirect after that TFD until January 18, 2022. Perhaps another discussion arose within WikiProject Amusement Parks? –Aidan721 (talk) 00:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: A Keep argument turned up. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 06:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom and per my 2019 nomination. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:34, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see what there is to merge, this is a "pass through" wrapper that sets the various categories needed for a themed area. Per WP:TEMPLATECAT, having the infobox set the categories may not be the best solution.  I could see removing all the automatic categorization from Template:Infobox amusement park, but until that happens, I don't see a better solution for keeping themed areas out of the amusement park categories.  So for now, I think keeping the wrapper is the best solution. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)  12:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep As Plastikspork said, this is just a wrapper to correctly categorize themed areas separately from entire amusement parks. --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK
 * Keep per Plastikspork. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 16:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Hasan ibn Ali
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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:56, 15 July 2022 (UTC) Template links to only six articles, two of whom (Family tree of Ali and First Fitna), include scant info about Hasan. The other four (Twelve Imams, Event of Mubahala, Fourteen Infallibles and Ahl al-Kisa just include Hasan's name and nothing else. The template is just used on two articles (one is Hasan ibn Ali itself). The template was already deleted in a discussion of 5 November 2020. Furthermore, the same-styled template (previously named just 'Hasan') was deleted three other times as well. <i style="color:teal">MixenXIX</i>-(<i style="color:brown">Talk</i>) 15:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 02:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hasan ibn Ali
 * Comment User:RegentsPark, should this nomination be removed since the nom is a sock or should it move forward? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:40, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll leave it to content editors in this area to decide whether this should be deleted or not. Per WP:SOCKSTRIKE anyone can remove this (since they're appear to be no comments on it) or decide to let the discussion proceed.--RegentsPark (comment) 15:25, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep – This is very similar to Abu Bakr Abdullah, Umar, Uthman, Ali, etc.: a sidebar-type template on an important early Muslim figure (Hasan ibn Ali is the third most important figure in Shia Islam after Muhammad and Ali). None of these templates are incredibly useful in my view, but as long as they are actually used in articles there seems to be no reason to delete them (better to leave the decision on whether to use them to local consensus or to something like WT:ISLAM). Also note that the OP here is a LTA who regularly pushes anti-Shia POV. ☿ Apaugasma  ( talk  ☉) 17:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep I find the reasons for deletion unconvincing. It is useful to readers.  If people write more articles related to Hasan, it is a good place to list them. Hasan is an important figure in early Muslim history; his comments about some of his contemporaries show great wisdom.
 * The proposer claimed: The template was already deleted in a discussion of 5 November 2020 - but that was a deletion of Category:Hasan ibn Ali, not the template. That is actually an argument to keep the template - because there is no longer a category linking the related articles. -- Toddy1 (talk) 14:11, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox Negro League franchise
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Infobox Negro League franchise with Template:Infobox baseball team.
 * Infobox Negro League franchise
 * Infobox baseball team

No reason for Negro league teams to have a separate infobox than other baseball teams. Will help with consistency of infoboxes on baseball team pages. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:58, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

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 * I would strongly agree, this template is very restricted on information options. Consistency in infoboxes would provide consistent information and a uniform look for all baseball team pages.Skilgis1900 (talk) 02:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Template:Infobox baseball team was recently substantially redesigned by the merge nominator with no discussion or input from members of WikiProject Baseball (see this discussion about what changes were made). The changes are glaring and seem out-of-step with other baseball templates and formatting. For these reasons, Template:Infobox Negro League franchise should not be merged with Template:Infobox baseball team. I agree that consistency is good, but the current state of Template:Infobox baseball team is not, and merger would not be beneficial to Negro team articles or their readers. NatureBoyMD (talk) 13:09, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Great points, thanks for the information on the recent redesign. Collaboration on infoboxes is essential and the current Template:Infobox baseball team redesign deserves further input before becoming universal. Skilgis1900 (talk) 13:21, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - as Template:Infobox baseball team was recently redesigned without input from WP:BASELL & therefore without consent. GoodDay (talk) 13:28, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Until further input from the Baseball project warrants such a change. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:06, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Consistency is fine, but why merge into Template:Infobox baseball team and not Template:Infobox MLB? Curious about that rationale. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 16:39, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment reconsider vote after changes reverted. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:50, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The Negro League & Federal League teams don't belong in Template: Infobox MLB, but could be included in Template:Infobox baseball team. Only the American & National League teams belong in the MLB infobox template. GoodDay (talk) 19:09, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I suppose it wouldn't hurt to merge with the . I could see the possibility of some Negro league teams using the MLB infobox (i.e. those retroactively granted major league status), but that's another discussion. NatureBoyMD (talk) 19:24, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Disputed changes to Infobox baseball team are irrelevant to this proposal and that matter can and should be resolved on the template's talk page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * On reading the linked discussion, it appears that the disputed changes have in any case been reverted, rendering any objections on that basis effectively void. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:14, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Born in
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC) We already have too many birth day templates, with the main ones being Template:Birth date and Template:Birth-date. The fact that this adds an abbreviation for the word "born" is not sufficient in creating a new template. Gonnym (talk) 08:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Born in


 * It's not a birth day template; it is an abbreviation template that happens to work with birth dates. It is also complimentary to the long-standing and much-used died-in template. The templates you suggest are not a substitute for born-in's purpose, which is to visually denote a birth year in situations where a year alone would be otherwise ambiguous. Yes, the abbreviation could be done in other ways, eg, using markup like so d. 1995 (d.&amp;thinsp;1995) but on the complex family tree templates these are commonly used on that extra bit of clutter is really unwanted compared to the simplicity of d. 1995 (d. 1995). It would make a difficult task even more difficult and I doubt anybody would question the value of or  over the longer mark-up after creating just a few large family trees.


 * Considering your proposal, 's documentation suggests not to use it when only the year is given, which is the typical intended case for, because the template uses microformats. The only alternative then is Birth-date.


 * One solution might be to add an optional parameter to both and  to add the "b." or "d." abbreviation, respectively. This however presents a problem. It is desirable to keep the ability to allow the circa template to be used between the abbreviation and the date. This would start to be cumbersome to add to the template. Maybe it should be done. Maybe not. But here's the key thing: Birth-date and  are adding semantic meaning to the dates. That's their role. But that's not what born-in and Died-in do. They merely add presentation. The crux is that you can do both by combining the templates. For example, d. c. 1995 (d. c. 1995) does everything desired. It includes both the presentational aspects and the semantics if wanted.


 * It'd actually be nice if a new parameter would be added to and . But not having born-in and Died-in would limit us in our expressive ability unless somebody really wants (and can) extend the other templates to include "b." and "d." along with an optional "c.". Jason Quinn (talk) 11:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Template:Died in was created only a few months ago and has 49 transclusions so not sure how it is long-standing and much-used. It should probably go to TfD right after this. Gonnym (talk) 07:29, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Unless this is used by bots, in my view its much easier to just type in "b. 1234". As the Op states we already have so many templates focused on birth/death dates. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:05, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

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 * Keep As I discussed above, this is not a birth data template but an abbreviation template that happens to work with birth dates. This is a subtle but crucial difference as the proposed birth-date template substitutes do not duplicate the desired functionality yet do extra undesired things related to hCard microformats. The suggested Birth date template is not intended for year-only dates as per its documentation and so must be removed from consideration. This leaves only the Birth-date template, whose main purpose is to add hCard info but does not perform the nominated template's function. The nominator's two proposed solutions are both fatally flawed. This could have been discussed and discovered prior to nomination. The other proposed alternative ("b. 1234") by Knowledgekid87 was considered but, as already discussed above, the desired markup is " b.&amp;thinsp;1234 " so it fails to meet the specifications. Both the abbreviation tag and thin space serve a purpose and are wanted so that proposal must be declined. Jason Quinn (talk) 15:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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 * Keep This is no different from, for example, the established template circa * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 16:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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