Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 July 26



Template:Asc

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  00:13, 3 August 2022 (UTC) Previously nominated for deletion earlier this year as an unused template, but was given some time to gain traction. The American Song Contest has now taken place and the template is still not being used. Given the format of the show and the lack of transparency of the process of selecting each state's entry, I don't see a future where "Massachusetts in the American Song Contest", etc. becomes a viable standalone article that would require the use of this template. Grk1011 (talk) 19:54, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Asc
 * Weak keep; templates are harmless, and if there's a chance it can still be useful (when there are multiple editions of ASC) then no reason to delete it. If ASC stops and the thing is still unused I'd support deleting it. I would also support a merger with Template:Esc. &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 20:49, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Not much has changed since my original nomination. But a merger with Esc could be a better route. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:01, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess I don't see how a merger would be helpful. There doesn't seem to be a future use for x in the American Song Contest. It's a reality tv show by a singular broadcaster that decides everything. Unlike the contests that use Esc, there are no other parties whose actions are being documented in the offshoot pages. A "state" doesn't perform because state's don't enter; NBC assigns people a state that they can represent based on relatively subjective criteria (if any). If an entrant or song becomes notable on its own, that information would just go to those respective pages. Grk1011 (talk) 13:14, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Notability of "state in the American Song Contest" articles is not dependent on whether or not there is a separate organisation responsible for it. It's whether there are enough sources talking about the participation of the state in the American Song Contest through the years. Obviously that is right now not the case, but if this will be a recurring event then it could. &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 01:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We typically don't preemptively create templates for things that might be useful in the future, especially if it isn't certain. Wouldn't it make sense to delete this now and then add the capability to Esc if needed when the time comes? Grk1011 (talk) 12:55, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah that makes sense too; this would work better as a part of Template:Esc anyway. Delete. &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 16:12, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Still unused, let's not have another round of speculation about the future failing to come true. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * delete, unused. merging this would be the worst option. Frietjes (talk) 16:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense to host an unused template with an uncertain future as to its utilisation. It would be an easy thing to modify Esc as and when the need arises, but for now that need does not exist, and may never come to fruition. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:15, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:European stock exchange consolidation

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC) Unused graph/chart template. Hard to see this could be substituted on any relevant space as it's too large to even read comfortably and gain any information off of. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:35, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * European stock exchange consolidation
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 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Публикация

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. There is an even split between rename for consistency vs. keep as subst-only as an article translation aid. However, nobody else supports deletion at least. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC) The template is redundant as it repeats cite functionality. AXO NOV (talk) ⚑ 14:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Публикация
 * keep, now turned into an "always substituted" template for translating from Russian, similar to Template:Cita libro and others. Frietjes (talk) 15:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

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 * Move to Template:Cite web/Russian per rest of set. Gonnym (talk) 12:25, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep and move to Template:Cite web/Russian * Pppery * it has begun... 14:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep but make subst-only Template wrappers can be useful, and this one has an obvious purpose (for fixing the references in transwikied pages), but this shouldn't be used directly in articles – it would make most sense for it to expand to a cite template in English, rather than keeping the Russian in the source. I suspect that the current attempt to make this subst-only is broken; it has both subst only and uses on it, which can't possibly be correct (we're basically telling a bot to subst it, and a module to then unsubst it, leading to an infinite loop) – that would need to be fixed. I'm not convinced that a rename would be beneficial; this is unlikely to clash with a name for another template, and it would just require an extra step in doing a transwiki. --ais523 09:54, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Consistent and works for all other languages. Gonnym (talk) 11:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Heads of State of India

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 16:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC) There is already a template Template:Presidents of India which does the exact same thing. Rarely used. --Bears (talk) 14:28, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Heads of State of India
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. We have these heads of state templates for many countries, so why delete this one? As far as repitition is concerned, the presidential template should be merged with the heads of state one.  Peter Ormond &#128172;  18:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Template:Presidents of India or Template:Emperors of India is more appropriate any place this would be used. VanIsaac, MPLLcont WpWS 18:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per Peter Ormond. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, clearly duplicates Template:Emperors of India and Template:Presidents of India. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  16:59, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * delete, duplicate navigation. Frietjes (talk) 17:43, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Pecos League ballparks

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the template's undeletion. ✗ plicit  00:22, 2 August 2022 (UTC) Three links. Fails NENAN. Four articles under Category:Pecos League ballparks still wouldn't pass for navigational purposes for this navbox. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 19 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 04:55, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pecos League ballparks
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Template:Gary SouthShore RailCats
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:47, 27 July 2022 (UTC) Fails NENAN. No links outside the main article minus the Greg Tagert and the stadium articles. Everything else is either a link to the team's article sections or general baseball article links. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:31, 19 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 04:55, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Gary SouthShore RailCats
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 * Delete per nominator's rationale. NatureBoyMD (talk) 12:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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Template:AC Surf
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:52, 27 July 2022 (UTC) All fail basic navigation. All link to one or two articles outside the main team article in the title. The rest are links to articles sections and categories. Links to personnel should not count as those are just articles about former MLB players that have played a role with the team, but not enough to justify keeping the templates because there is no overall connection to the team itself. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:41, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * AC Surf
 * Brockton Rox
 * Newark Bears
 * Pittsfield Colonials
 * Quebec Capitales
 * Worcester Tornadoes
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 * Delete per nominator's rationale. NatureBoyMD (talk) 12:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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Chess variant boards
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The result of the discussion was delete. These have been merged with Module:Chessboard, please feel free to renominate the merged submodules if you still think they should be deleted. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 16:13, 30 July 2022 (UTC) All either unused or single-use with no plausible other uses. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 20:41, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * HiaShatar diagram
 * HiaShatarboard
 * Dou Shou Qi diagram
 * Dou Shou Qi diagram
 * Euroshogi diagram
 * Euroshogi diagram
 * Eurojanggi diagram
 * Eurojanggi diagram
 * Makruk diagram
 * Makrukboard
 * Pocket Shogi Copper diagram
 * Pocket Shogi Copper diagram
 * Chu shogi diagram (added * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC))
 * ChuShogiboard (added * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC))
 * Delete/Subst the unused and single-use respectively per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Please do not delete, I put a lot of work into creating modules and templates. Will definitely come in handy over time. Yevrowl (talk) 18:34, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:IWORKEDSOHARD is not a valid argument. And where else other than Hiashatar could, for example, Template:HiaShatar diagram possibly be used? * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...  19:16, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I really don't I agree with the "no plausible other uses" part of this. Surely each one could be used to show examples of different situations that can happen in a game, not to mention showing the board at critical points in notable matches. I would say that any of these with a current transclusion should be an automatic keep, while if any have been sitting around without a use for too long, it might be okay to userfy them, as the main builder/maintainer seems to have future uses in mind. In an ideal world, the chess diagram template would be more versatile, but until that functionality is built, these kinds of templates are going to be necessary for improving the quality of non-European games' articles. So I'd encourage User:Yevrowl to start getting all of these into article space, and to hit up a place like WT:WikiProject Board and table games for getting proper use of these templates. See below for distinctions. VanIsaac, MPLLcont<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> WpWS 19:59, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Subst and Userfy/Delete all The only transclusion that any of these templates have are in the main pages for the game. There is a potential use for many of these templates, especially the Chu Shogi and Makruk Templates; however, until people start sub-articles on these games, these templates will be siting around doing basically nothing. Techie3 (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The more I look at these and the related articles, the more I feel like this is not really a cohesive set. Hia Shatar and Makruk are almost identical to chess in terms of the pieces. Frankly, the chess diagram module already allows all kinds of board sizes, and would only need to add checkers pieces (which it's criminal it doesn't already have) to be able to diagram Makruk. And it looks like a single piece would be needed for Hia Shatar as well. So with a quick update to the chess diagram module, those templates could be ported to that, and the underlying modules ONLY could be deleted or userfied only after chess diagram module is updated. I don't know enough about Dou Shou Qi to say one way or another whether there's much utility to keeping it. But given the haphazard grouping of all these nominations I'd be hesitant to do any of that outside Yevrowl saying it's no longer needed. The Euroshogi, Pocket Shogi and Chu Shogi modules should probably be condensed to a single module and in the process port Shogi diagram to it as well. Eurojanggi looks like it's part of a whole other world of Janggi, so I'd suggest not touching that one and encourage Yevrowl to develop it further and build out its functionality to be more universal. VanIsaac, MPLLcont<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> WpWS 21:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

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 * Question Did you mean to put the Chu shogi board template in this nomination? Techie3 (talk) 02:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did, and I've now added it. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that clarification. Techie3 (talk) 02:30, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete the unused. For those which are currently used, these are 100% not appropriate to try to put in the text of main space articles. You can sell me on any of the following: modification of an existing module/template to accept values for these, or total removal and subsequent deletion. --Izno (talk) 04:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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 * comment, it's possible that we could refactor Module:Chessboard or Module:Chessboard mxn to have subpages for types or styles, similar what we have for Module:Sports table, but I (or someone else) would have to work on it. the worst option would be to substitute these templates since it would create an HTML mess.  if these are really going to be used only once, then an equally good option would be to convert them into static images. Frietjes (talk) 16:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * after a bit of work, it looks like it's not that hard to replace these with submodules of Module:Chessboard (at least for Hiashatar tested [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hiashatar&oldid=1100975784 here]) so I would say merge these with Module:Chessboard. Frietjes (talk) 17:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This does not resolve my concern. We still should not have custom code that is used on 1 or 0 articles, regardless of whether it's a standalone module or a submodule. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * yes, static images would be better, but substituting it would be a mess. Frietjes (talk) 15:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would happily use the existing chess template module. But, unfortunately, they do not have the technical ability to disable cell alternation, set additional features on the board (rivers), etc. Yevrowl (talk) 22:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * However, Frietjes has managed to convert your modules into chess template submodule. Look at, for example, Dou Shou Qi. Techie3 (talk) 03:35, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The only thing that seems to have done is produce an error message. (see edit 1100998798) VanIsaac, MPLLcont<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> WpWS 04:17, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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