Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 March 22



Template:Dutch Senate elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 21:40, 28 March 2022 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Dutch Senate elections with Template:Dutch elections.
 * Dutch Senate elections
 * Dutch elections

There is no reason for keeping them separate, in other countries indirect elections are usually in the same template. Julio 9 7 4 ◆ (Talk-Contribs) 18:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 21:48, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose The reason for keeping them separate is the long-standing consensus that the main national election/referendum templates do not include indirect elections (which is the case of Dutch Senate elections). Number   5  7  21:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:Sendai Girls Junior Championship

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  11:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC) Just two articles linked. Not enough for a template. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:59, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sendai Girls Junior Championship
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:35, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Andre Agassi start boxes

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The result of the discussion was substitute and delete. ✗ plicit  11:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC) Single-use, so should be substituted and deleted per the recent discussion. The remaining 8 templates in Category:Tennis preceded and succeeded boxes that I haven't nominated here all have a second transclusion in their respective players' career achievements articles. Letcord (talk) 02:24, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Andre Agassi start boxes
 * Boris Becker start boxes
 * Björn Borg start boxes
 * Jennifer Capriati start boxes
 * Kim Clijsters start boxes
 * Jimmy Connors start boxes
 * Jim Courier start boxes
 * Lindsay Davenport start boxes
 * Stefan Edberg start boxes
 * Juan Carlos Ferrero start boxes
 * Evonne Goolagong start boxes
 * Steffi Graf start boxes
 * Justine Henin start boxes
 * Lleyton Hewitt start boxes
 * Martina Hingis start boxes
 * Ana Ivanovic start boxes
 * Jelena Janković start boxes
 * Yevgeny Kafelnikov start boxes
 * Gustavo Kuerten start boxes
 * Ivan Lendl start boxes
 * John McEnroe start boxes
 * Thomas Muster start boxes
 * Martina Navratilova start boxes
 * Patrick Rafter start boxes
 * Andy Roddick start boxes
 * Marat Safin start boxes
 * Dinara Safina start boxes
 * Pete Sampras start boxes
 * Monica Seles start boxes
 * Maria Sharapova start boxes
 * Iga Świątek start boxes
 * Guillermo Vilas start boxes
 * Mats Wilander start boxes
 * Nenad Zimonjić start boxes


 * Subst and delete per nom. Single use templates that can only evert be used in the biography article of that person, as they apply to no one else. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:28, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete with everything in Category:Tennis preceded and succeeded boxes. The Big 3 ones are the worst of them all, unneeded mess especially when we have many articles for their achievements and statistics. ForzaUV (talk) 04:05, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete without subst. As I stated in the previous discussion, these duplicate the navbox award templates that each article also has, so we end up with a navbox with succession links and a table with succession links. Since the navbox offers the better layout, there is no need for these to duplicate the same information in the same exact section. Gonnym (talk) 05:43, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not quite true, though. Template:Martina Hingis start boxes for example has succession links for 12 separate achievements, but there are only navboxes for three of those on Martina Hingis, so deleting without substing would remove info from her article. While I agree something needs to be done about the redundancy of having both types of template for some of those awards, the correct outcome here is subst and delete. Letcord (talk) 07:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I do agree however that a general debate on the utility of these succession boxes is worth having. Some are completely trivial ("Fan Favorite Shot of the Year"?), and while aesthetically pleasing when maybe a couple are used, the skyscrapers that some of the top players have built up look ridiculous and reveal the inefficiency of this way of displaying the information. I would personally limit them to only those that are official awards in the sport an athlete competes, e.g. ITF World Champions and the No. 1 ranking for tennis, as who preceded/succeeded a player in a general athlete award like the Laureus World Sports Awards is completely irrelevant to the athlete. Letcord (talk) 07:38, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think they're worth having but if some people find them interesting then some of them definitely need to be trimmed down. Serena's box for example could be edited to look like this. ForzaUV (talk) 08:56, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That looks much better to me. I'd even go further and remove the newcomer/most improved/comeback/fan favorite doubles team awards, leaving just those achievements that Serena "took" from other players, like the No. 1 ranking and ITF World Champion status. Letcord (talk) 11:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Martina Hingis has 17 award navboxes under the "Martina Hingis in the Grand Slam tournaments" header and 11 under the "Martina Hingis achievements" header. If there are still some that are missing at this point then either they are not notable (such as Swiss Sports Personality of the Year) or are somehow notable but missing a navbox which should be created. Gonnym (talk) 10:01, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The "somehow notable but missing a navbox" category of achievements is why these templates can't be simply deleted here and now. What achievements do and don't deserve a navbox is a topic that would require a full discussion at the tennis project page. Also tennis isn't alone in having too many of these, Usain Bolt's list is just as long. Letcord (talk) 11:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * substitute and delete, single use templates. Frietjes (talk) 15:23, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @WikiCleanerMan, the nomination was for substitution and deletion, not just straight deletion. Letcord (talk) 02:24, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Cuphead

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  10:48, 29 March 2022 (UTC) The Template consists entirely of two unique pages in mainspace. All the other entries are sections of the originating work's article, or point to articles like the Cuphead character that no longer exist to reflect consensus among editors, as per the merge proposal here. It serves no purpose other then as an expression of enthusiasm by a fan. Haleth (talk) 03:59, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Cuphead
 * Delete The topic is not in need of a navigation box as of yet, there are too few articles. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NENAN. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 14:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. OceanHok (talk) 13:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Aeromot aircraft

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The result of the discussion was keep and redirect Template:Aeromot to Template:Aeromot aircraft Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC) Unused duplicate of Template:Aeromot created by the same editor. Gonnym (talk) 06:15, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Aeromot aircraft
 * delete or redirect. Frietjes (talk) 15:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect The convention for navboxes in this range is to use 'aircraft' as a suffix (examples at Category:Manufacturer-based aircraft navigational boxes) so the best solution would be to redirect Template:Aeromot to Template:Aeromot aircraft. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)  18:34, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Keep and redirect Aeromot to Aeromot aircraft instead; per Nimbus227. This is an aircraft of manufacturer template, and not the corporate template for Aeromot itself -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:31, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Petty family

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗ plicit  23:43, 29 March 2022 (UTC) WP:NOTGENEALOGY Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 14:24, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Petty family
 * keep, no worse than the family-based navboxes. Frietjes (talk) 15:24, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Being used and not in violation of the Genealogy policy. Connects articles relevant to the subject at hand. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Charles

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2022 March 30. Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Charles
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Template:Ctime:07
<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
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The result of the discussion was delete. If needed, these can be restored upon request. ✗ plicit  23:42, 29 March 2022 (UTC) Unused Chinese date and time templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:58, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ctime:07
 * Ctime:11
 * Ctime:12
 * Ctime:K
 * Ctime:S
 * Ctime:a
 * Ctime:c
 * Ctime:g
 * Ctime:i
 * Ctime:j
 * Ctime:k
 * Ctime:r


 * Comment: Well, these don't seem to be used and the creator hasn't been around for years. I'd say relist for another week to be on the safe side and if still no usage found then delete. Gonnym (talk) 08:35, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
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Template:CRT color
<div class="boilerplate tfd vfd tfd-closed" style="background-color: #e3f9df; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 21:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC) Unused and superseded by Module:Adjacent stations/Chongqing Rail Transit. Gonnym (talk) 22:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * CRT color
 * CRT lines
 * CRT lines/branches
 * CRT stations
 * CRT style
 * S-line/CRT left/0
 * S-line/CRT left/1
 * S-line/CRT left/2
 * S-line/CRT left/3
 * S-line/CRT left/4
 * S-line/CRT left/5
 * S-line/CRT left/6
 * S-line/CRT left/10
 * S-line/CRT right/0
 * S-line/CRT right/1
 * S-line/CRT right/2
 * S-line/CRT right/3
 * S-line/CRT right/4
 * S-line/CRT right/5
 * S-line/CRT right/6
 * S-line/CRT right/10
 * Delete all per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
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