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Template:Cocaine Bear

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:51, 17 April 2023 (UTC) This... feels like an overly contrived set of articles to group together for a navbox. At best, there are 3 useful and related links here: Cocaine Bear, Cocaine Bear (bear), and Andrew C. Thornton II. The rest of the links are space-fillers to try to justify a template. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Cocaine Bear


 * Attack of the Meth Gator is specifically a mockbuster of Cocaine Bear, so four. Lo Chiamavano (talk) 19:50, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In the absence of a template, I would not generally consider a parody film to be worthy of mention on the main article of the work it is parodying. It should hardly be counted in a TFD on this basis. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * And in the presence of a template (as there currently is), it would be considered worthy of mention on this basis for now. I have seen most parody films be mentioned in the templates for their main works/franchises before. I was quietly working on a Cocaine Bear (soundtrack) page if that would help it justify a keep? Lo Chiamavano (talk) 20:30, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


 * delete, pending some sequels. Frietjes (talk) 20:24, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not enough closely related subjects to warrant a template. Sergecross73   msg me  20:28, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Overly contrived indeed. —Alalch E. 01:49, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Not useful for navigation, as there is just 3 similar articles in it. CRwikiCA  talk 17:37, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:57, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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Naisten Liiga playoff templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:39, 18 April 2023 (UTC) Each used on only two mainspace pages, with no potential for use elsewhere. Recommending each is subst'd and deleted. fuzzy510 (talk) 18:04, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 2021 Naisten Liiga playoffs
 * 2022 Naisten Liiga playoffs
 * 2023 Naisten Liiga playoffs
 * Subst and delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:51, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Transclude from season page instead, no need for a separate template hwne just 1 other article uses it. CRwikiCA  talk 17:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:57, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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NBA playoff brackets

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:49, 17 April 2023 (UTC) Each of these is only used on two pages, with no potential for use elsewhere. Recommending each is subst'd and deleted. fuzzy510 (talk) 17:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 1947 BAA playoffs
 * 1948 BAA playoffs
 * 1949 BAA playoffs
 * 1950 NBA playoffs
 * 1951 NBA playoffs
 * 1952 NBA playoffs
 * 1953 NBA playoffs
 * 1954 NBA playoffs
 * 1955 NBA playoffs
 * 1956 NBA playoffs
 * 1957 NBA playoffs
 * 1958 NBA playoffs
 * 1959 NBA playoffs
 * 1960 NBA playoffs
 * 1961 NBA playoffs
 * 1962 NBA playoffs
 * 1963 NBA playoffs
 * 1964 NBA playoffs
 * 1965 NBA playoffs
 * 1966 NBA playoffs
 * 1967 NBA playoffs
 * 1968 NBA playoffs
 * 1969 NBA playoffs
 * 1970 NBA playoffs
 * 1971 NBA playoffs
 * 1972 NBA playoffs
 * 1973 NBA playoffs
 * 1974 NBA playoffs
 * 1975 NBA playoffs
 * 1976 NBA playoffs
 * 1977 NBA playoffs
 * 1978 NBA playoffs
 * 1979 NBA playoffs
 * 1980 NBA playoffs
 * 1981 NBA playoffs
 * 1982 NBA playoffs
 * 1983 NBA playoffs
 * 1984 NBA playoffs
 * 1985 NBA playoffs
 * 1986 NBA playoffs
 * 1987 NBA playoffs
 * 1988 NBA playoffs
 * 1989 NBA playoffs
 * 1990 NBA playoffs
 * 1991 NBA playoffs
 * 1992 NBA playoffs
 * 1993 NBA playoffs
 * 1994 NBA playoffs
 * 1995 NBA playoffs
 * 1996 NBA playoffs
 * 1997 NBA playoffs
 * 1998 NBA playoffs
 * 1999 NBA playoffs
 * 2000 NBA playoffs
 * 2001 NBA playoffs
 * 2002 NBA playoffs
 * 2003 NBA playoffs
 * 2004 NBA playoffs
 * 2005 NBA playoffs
 * 2006 NBA playoffs
 * 2007 NBA playoffs
 * 2008 NBA playoffs
 * 2009 NBA playoffs
 * 2010 NBA playoffs
 * 2011 NBA playoffs
 * 2012 NBA playoffs
 * 2013 NBA playoffs
 * 2014 NBA playoffs
 * 2015 NBA playoffs
 * 2016 NBA playoffs
 * 2017 NBA playoffs
 * 2018 NBA playoffs
 * 2019 NBA playoffs
 * 2020 NBA playoffs
 * 2021 NBA playoffs
 * 2022 NBA playoffs
 * 2023 NBA playoffs
 * delete after substitution. I have updated these to use excerpt.  Frietjes (talk) 18:26, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Subst and delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:51, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Subst and delete per nom. Nigej (talk) 08:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Transclude from play-off page, no need for a separate template, but also no need to duplicate content. CRwikiCA  talk 17:39, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Transclude as per CRwikiCA. You'd never know when you need to edit such "templates" in the future. Howard the Duck (talk) 06:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:56, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Mario & Luigi

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The result of the discussion was redirect to Template:Mario role-playing games. Author redirected, and no one objected to it. (non-admin closure) { {ping&#124;ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 04:28, 17 April 2023 (UTC) Unneeded because Template:Mario role-playing games exists. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Mario & Luigi
 * Template:Mario & Luigi and Template:Paper Mario should never have been the same template in the first place. Will restore to redirect for now, but will be splitting both templates later. Lo Chiamavano (talk) 18:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete and rd both this one and the Paper Mario template that Lo Chiamavano is threatening to create. They have redirected the current template to the main Mario RPG template for now. Navigation templates do not need to obey the "official" boundaries of series or other media IP. The collection of Mario RPG series are related enough conceptually to be grouped into one navbox for easy navigation, end of story. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete no need to split navboxes, having sections in one is sufficient. CRwikiCA  talk</i> 17:41, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Close Nominated template has been redirected by the creator. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:01, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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2016 Summer Paralympics goalball convenience templates
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:41, 17 April 2023 (UTC) per the current convention for Olympics and Paralympics articles, the game and standings templates should be hosted in the parent article, and not in individual templates. if consensus changes over LST vs templates, we can always put all the matches and standings into a single template with a switch so we don't need to watch 30 templates per event. Frietjes (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball group A standings
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball group B standings
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball group C standings
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball group D standings
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game A1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game A2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game A3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game A4
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 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game A8
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game A9
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game A10
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B4
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B5
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 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B7
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B8
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B9
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B10
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game C1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game C2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game C3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game C4
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game D1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game D2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game E1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game E2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C4
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C5
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 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C7
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C8
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 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C10
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game D1
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 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game D3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game D4
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game D5
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game D6
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game D7
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game D8
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game D9
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game D10
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game E1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game E2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game E3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game E4
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game F1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game F2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game G1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game G2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics goalball convenience template navbox
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics goalball game reference templates
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics goalball group standings templates‎
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics goalball convenience templates
 * Delete. Do as the nom says. Prefer LST. —Alalch E. 01:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per nom and previous consensus on the merits of LST over the "convenience template" approach. Nigej (talk) 08:07, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Fine to switch to LST. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 17:41, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:56, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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Internal link namespace-specific templates
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC) These templates serve the same purpose (generating useful links), but they all are built for shortcutting to different namespaces. It's quite redundant to have so many namespace-specific templates, when one template could be used, writing the full namespace as a replacement, via. Their names are not self-explanatory (e.g. what does  do?), whereas   suggests its purpose. I think they should be substituted with the  template, and then deleted. Two of these are very high-use templates ( and  ), and may require a bot or AWB to be substituted. Others might be in use actively for maintenance, and a replacement would need fair warning and accommodation to make sure a clean migration happens. SWinxy (talk) 05:14, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * lt
 * ltt
 * lat
 * lx
 * lc
 * lct
 * ld
 * ldt
 * lf
 * lft
 * lh
 * lht
 * lm
 * lmt
 * lmd
 * lmdt
 * ln
 * lnt
 * lp
 * lpt
 * lttxt
 * lttxtt
 * lu
 * lut
 * lw
 * lwt


 * As far as I can see, one template is used (, these just provide shortcuts for specific namespaces. I'd much rather type lt than pagelinks. Oppose —Locke Cole • t • c 06:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I mention that lc and lx are high-use templates. A majority of these templates wrap lx, too. Their utility as shortcuts must be balanced against the quantity that exist. SWinxy (talk) 07:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Must? —Locke Cole • t • c 15:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, that's what I want to get out of this discussion here :) SWinxy (talk) 15:56, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * They're a set of shortcut templates for convenience. The worst thing we could do is delete some of them and break the "system" that exists. The only reason we should even remotely consider that is if there were something someone were wanting to use one of these templates for that involved taking over the name. And even then, it's inadvisable. For other !voters, here is the entire set:
 * So if we delete lht or lttxt as suggested below, we'd now have gaps in the table above. It's simply better to keep the whole set and reduce potential confusion. —Locke Cole • t • c 03:49, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I was pinged about these templates. Near as I can tell, my sole involvement was protecting one high-use template in 2007. I don't recognize these templates and don't have an opinion on them. Mackensen (talk) 11:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I thought I saw that you had created one of them. My apologies if the ping was unwanted. SWinxy (talk) 15:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Template:Lttxt and Template:Lht as unused or only used in what amounts to lists. Keep the remainder, basically per Locke Cole, and also that I don't see a convincing reason to do anything here. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:51, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * See above for why we should likely even keep those two. —Locke Cole • t • c 03:49, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
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