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Template:Member states of the European Union sidebar

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:26, 18 April 2023 (UTC) We already have Template:Member states of the European Union. It is not necessary to have two templates with the same function. DrKay (talk) 20:02, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Member states of the European Union sidebar
 * Delete No use at all for navigation. Just clutter. Nigej (talk) 20:10, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Redundant with the existing bottom nav template that is already included on the member states individual pages Raladic (talk) 21:28, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Adds clutter to pages and provides no practical use unlike some sidebars. It's unlikely that someone will look at an article on Republic of Ireland and while in the early stages of the article go, "oh I should go look at the article on Slovenia". Anyway it's all covered by a template at the bottom. The content is not particularly relevant to the topics at that stage. Canterbury Tail talk 01:41, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Agree ..... delete as per above . Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 02:06, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 08:01, 12 April 2023 (UTC)) how sad you think my sidebar is of no use, I spent good time on creating it and I think it’s better than the one already in use.
 * It is always unfortunate when hard work goes to waste, but that is the risk when you recreate something that already exists.
 * CRwikiCA talk 13:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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Premature NBA standings templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. If someone wants them in draft or userspace, let me know. Or, feel free to recreate them once there are season articles instead of all redlinks. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:24, 18 April 2023 (UTC) These were all completely broken until I created the template:2023–24 NBA team standings by copying template:2022–23 NBA team standings (should probably be merged into one template). in my opinion, we should wait until some of the season articles are started before creating the standings templates. so, maybe move these to draft space? or, recreate them after the finals for this season? Frietjes (talk) 19:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 2023–24 NBA West standings
 * 2023–24 NBA Northwest standings
 * 2023–24 NBA Pacific standings
 * 2023–24 NBA Southwest standings
 * 2023–24 NBA East standings
 * 2023–24 NBA Atlantic standings
 * 2023–24 NBA Central standings
 * 2023–24 NBA Southeast standings
 * 2023–24 NBA team standings
 * Comment is there actually a difference between both years that would warrant a different template? Also, I don't think there is anything in these templates that the sports table module can't handle. CRwikiCA  talk 19:55, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:TOOSOON, content first then navbox. As noted it's not obvious why we need all these yearly navboxes anyway. Nigej (talk) 20:14, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Merge into one template and/or move to draft space because we don't have links to each teams season just yet. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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2016 Summer Paralympics volleyball convenience templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  12:55, 18 April 2023 (UTC) per the current convention for Olympics and Paralympics articles, the game and standings templates should be hosted in the parent article, and not in individual templates. if consensus changes over LST vs templates, we can always put all the matches and standings into a single template with a switch so we don't need to watch 20 templates per event. Frietjes (talk) 17:56, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball group A standings
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball group B standings
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball group A standings
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball group B standings
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game A1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game A2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game A3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game A4
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game A5
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game A6
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game B1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game B2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game B3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game B4
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game B5
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game B6
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game C1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game C2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game C3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game C4
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game D1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics men's sitting volleyball game D2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game A1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game A2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game A3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game A4
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game A5
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game A6
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game B1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game B2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game B3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game B4
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game B5
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game B6
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game C1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game C2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game C3
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game C4
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game D1
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics women's sitting volleyball game D2
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics volleyball convenience template navbox
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics convenience template navbox navbox
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics convenience template navigational boxes
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics sitting volleyball group standings templates
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics sitting volleyball game reference templates
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics sitting volleyball convenience templates
 * 2016 Summer Paralympics convenience templates
 * Delete per previous similar discussions, there is no need to have these all as separate templates that aren't watched for vandalism. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 19:51, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom and previous discussions. Nigej (talk) 20:12, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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College baseball class-/position-specific award navboxes
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:27, 18 April 2023 (UTC) Delete all per established consensus at related mass-TfD (see Templates for discussion/Log/2023 March 24). SportsGuy789 (talk) 03:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * America East Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * American Athletic Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * ASUN Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Atlantic 10 Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Atlantic Coast Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Big 12 Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Big East Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Big Ten Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Big West Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Conference USA Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Ivy League Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Mid-American Conference Baseball Freshman of the Year navbox
 * Mid-American Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Missouri Valley Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Mountain West Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Ohio Valley Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Pac-12 Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Southeastern Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Southern Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Southland Conference Baseball Hitter of the Year navbox
 * Southland Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Summit League Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Sun Belt Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * West Coast Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Western Athletic Conference Baseball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Delete all per nom and previous discussion. Per WP:NAVBOX, although the people are connected because they've won the same award, the reality is that the articles don't "refer to each other, to a reasonable extent." While a list of the award winners might well be useful (as article content somewhere) that doesn't mean that every such list needs to have a corresponding navbox. Navboxes should be restricted to the most important (i.e. "defining") awards where readers of a biography might well be interested in other winners. Nigej (talk) 09:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all per previous discussion both here and in another TfD. -fuzzy510 (talk) 16:12, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete No need for these navboxes per WP:NENAN. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 17:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * delete, navbox creep. Frietjes (talk) 17:56, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Nigej. And the majority of these entries on most of the templates are redlinks. Cbl62 (talk) 20:57, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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Merger of Infobox Indian state legislative assembly constituency and Infobox Lok Sabha Constituency.
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox Indian constituency. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 01:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Infobox Indian state legislative assembly constituency and Template:Infobox Lok Sabha Constituency&#32; with Template:Infobox Indian constituency.
 * Infobox Indian state legislative assembly constituency
 * Infobox Lok Sabha Constituency
 * Infobox Indian constituency

This is a proposal to merge the Infobox Indian state legislative assembly constituency and Infobox Lok Sabha Constituency under a common new template, "Infobox Indian constituency", which represents both of the Infoboxes.

These Two Infoboxes were created for India's parliamentary constituencies: one for use on the pages of the Lok Sabha, India's Lower House, and the other for use on the pages of the Rajya Sabha, India's Upper House. While both InfoBoxes are compact in size, they differ only in four to five parameters, with all other parameters performing almost same functions.

Utilizing an integrated InfoBox would facilitate easy data maintenance, allowing for modification or enhancement as needed. As both InfoBoxes perform essentially the same function with only minor variations, these differences could be seamlessly integrated into a merged version. We can also use the same parameters according to different labels by mentioning the type of the Constituencies, as well as The Uppercase and lowercase parameters in both templates can also be used to specify the corresponding label in a case-specific manner.

It can be a drop-in merger and upon completion, we can redirect both template pages to the newly merged template. Then If needed, the new infobox can replace the previous ones on used pages. However, even if not replaced, the old ones will still be displayed accurately. ( In my opinion )

While it is true that there may be no need to fix something that is not broken, it is also worth noting that using two almost identical infoboxes with some differences may not yield any significant benefits, especially if both infoboxes do not have any discernible formatting differences that help to distinguish between the two type of constituencies.

So should these two be merged?(with each other or into a new one) Tojoroy20 (talk) 21:17, 3 April 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 00:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge, I think merging would always be helpful, although I am wondering whether Infobox constituency could be used instead. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 13:14, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe that an additional crucial objective of the proposal at hand is to ensure consistency across Indian constituency pages. By utilizing the Infobox Constituency, there may be the possibility of providing the same information in varying degrees of differentiation, leading to confusion and a lack of uniformity. It is important to note that Infobox Constituency functions as a meta-template, allowing for differing levels, datas and linking at the discretion of the editors, also resulting in restrictions on the usage of specific/consistent levels. In light of this, I contend that a designated infobox for Indian constituencies would prove beneficial in terms of ease of use, modification, and the maintenance, rather than relying on the Infobox constituency. Thank you. Tojoroy20 (talk) 15:02, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: The Infobox Indian state legislative assembly constituency template is for state legislative assembly constituencies (ACs), not for Rajya Sabha constituencies. There are quite a few parameters that are common between the two templates (state/ut, district, reservation, curr representative (MP or MLA), current rep's party, etc. But there are also a few that are different (for Assembly constituencies, their LS constituency (shared among many) and the reverse for LS constituencies). -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:25, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, the name might be a little too generic, which would make people want to add it to articles like Ward No. 1, Kolkata Municipal Corporation as well. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:04, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If you find the proposed title unsuitable, please feel free to suggest an alternative. Additionally, we can evaluate the feasibility of combining the two templates without creating a new one. Tojoroy20 (talk) 11:20, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * As previously stated, parameters that are not applicable for both types of constituencies can be merged in a manner that restricts their usage to a specified type of constituency. For instance, for parameters like MP and MLA, we can use switches to display their level and associated data. Similarly, for other parameters that are specific to either the Rajya Sabha or Lok Sabha constituencies, we can also apply them accordingly.Thank you very much. Tojoroy20 (talk) 11:19, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that works for me. The param could be  and the display name would be either MP or MLA, depending on another param. I'll just think about the other parameters involved, and see if i find any issues with merging. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * merge, makes sense to have a common infobox template. the naming problem could be resolved with redirects. Frietjes (talk) 15:49, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Anglo-Saxon time
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The result of the discussion was Delete Template:Anglo-Saxon time and Keep Template:Anglo-Saxon months. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:29, 20 April 2023 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Anglo-Saxon time with Template:Anglo-Saxon months.
 * Anglo-Saxon time
 * Anglo-Saxon months

Same subject matter - redundant information. Ingwina (talk) 20:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 00:49, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge I'm not sure which one should be retained, but the time one does not seem to link to more Anglo-Saxon articles to make it necessary. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 20:25, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Template:Anglo-Saxon months, and replace all instances with Template:Anglo-Saxon time as it includes all the months. BabelStone (talk) 21:10, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Template:Anglo-Saxon time as we don't need to link to the articles for the standard English months, days of the week etc, just the months that actually relate to the topic directly. -- wooden  superman  14:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete Template:Anglo-Saxon time. The "days" in this navbox are not separate articles. Nigej (talk) 07:53, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Template:Anglo-Saxon time per above, since the days are not separate articles, just links to the standard days of the week. Frietjes (talk) 15:41, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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