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Template:Marika Hackman

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC) Only 3 articles which all link to and from one another without the template, providing no additional navigational benefit. WP:NENAN. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:14, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Marika Hackman
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:59, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NENAN. -- wooden  superman  07:49, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Correspondence chart between Pinyin and Xiao'erjing

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The result of the discussion was delete after substituting into the article. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:54, 2 May 2023 (UTC) Single-article template with no template parameters. Subst and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:56, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Correspondence chart between Pinyin and Xiao'erjing


 * I, as the creator of the template, don't disagree with you. Maybe it's better for this template to be moved to "Wiktionary" as an Appendix. BasilLeaf (talk) 21:03, 24 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Subst or migrate to Wiktionary. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:43, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep There are other language articles with correspondence charts on Wikipedia. The chart is informative in matching the various syllables in Xiao'erjing to their Hanyu Pinyin equivalents. -- Abstrakt (talk) 15:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep as User:Abstrakt stated, this is seen elsewhere on Wikipeda. The idea for creating such table came from the already existing table in the Russian language version of the Article. Pages such as Dungan_language, Katakana, Hiragana, Hentaigana, Old_Persian_cuneiform, Hangul include correspondence charts with a similar sort of message being conveyed.
 * If any of these other tables serve as an inspiration for an idea to improve the legibilitty of the table, please share. I did consider doing it like it's done on Katakana, but that would've meant as many as 20 something columns being needed for Chinese phonology. BasilLeaf (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , to be clear, I am not proposing to delete the template's content entirely. I am proposing, per guidelines, that it be moved to the only article that uses it. The Template page can then be deleted, since it will not be needed anymore. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * yeah that's fair. We can definitely do that immediately. Only reason I did it as a separate template was to keep the html code on the original page Xiao'erjing less crowded and overwhelming. As you know, the page already contains two large and important tables. BasilLeaf (talk) 06:04, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Subst per nom. No one's arguing whether it's useful or not. The point is that it is single-use article content and should therefore be in that article, not here. Nigej (talk) 17:50, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * yeah that's fair. We can definitely do that immediately. Only reason I did it as a separate template was to keep the html code on the original page Xiao'erjing less crowded and overwhelming. As you know, the page already contains two large and important tables. BasilLeaf (talk) 06:04, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Garrison JFK investigation

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 23:56, 3 May 2023 (UTC) This material is somewhat redundant with Template:Assassination of John F. Kennedy. Almost every person, place, or thing associated with Jim Garrison's investigation was also discussed in the investigations by the Warren Commission and the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations (which do not have similar templates). Given that the purpose of Garrison's work was to find evidence of what he believed was a conspiracy, I am also concerned that the prominent placement of this template on certain pages as a sidebar draws undue attention to fringe theories. -Location (talk) 17:39, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Garrison JFK investigation
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:59, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep it. American history 38.125.224.201 (talk) 04:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Do not delete historical information. 162.217.53.51 (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Jim Garrison’s involvement is separate to that of the Warren commission and in fact calls into question the validity of the Warren commission. The only court case which ever took place as a result of the Kennedy Assassination, is that which Jim Garrison brought to trial. It is distinct, separate and counter to the Warren commission. It is not redundant. It deserves its own template and warrants avoiding deletion. Do not delete historical events. 162.217.53.51 (talk) 19:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * We are not attempting to remove historical information. Articles on Jim Garrison, Clay Shaw, and Trial of Clay Shaw exist and they are not going anywhere. -Location (talk) 23:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment All these IP's first edits have been for this Tfd. They are not voting based on the nomination. Guess is they are here to be disruptive. There votes do not count as legitimate keep votes. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * delete, redundant navigation. Frietjes (talk) 19:40, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
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2012 Summer Olympics basketball convenience templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC) current convention for Olympics and Paralympics is to place these in the main article and transclude using WP:LST to avoid creating/watching 40 templates per competition. Frietjes (talk) 17:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 2012 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A1
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 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:59, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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2016 Summer Olympics basketball convenience templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC) current convention for Olympics and Paralympics is to place these in the main article and transclude using WP:LST to avoid creating/watching 40 templates per competition. Frietjes (talk) 17:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A1
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A2
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A3
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A4
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A5
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A6
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A7
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A8
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A9
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A10
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A11
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A12
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A13
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A14
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game A15
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game B1
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game B2
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game B3
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game B4
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game B5
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game B6
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game B7
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 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game B11
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 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game B13
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game B14
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game B15
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game C1
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 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game C3
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game C4
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game D1
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game D2
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game E1
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball game E2
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball group A standings
 * 2016 Summer Olympics men's basketball group B standings
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A1
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A2
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A3
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A4
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A5
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A6
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A7
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A8
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A9
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A10
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A11
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A12
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A13
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A14
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game A15
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B1
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B2
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B3
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B4
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B5
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B6
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B7
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B8
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B9
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B10
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B11
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B12
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B13
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B14
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game B15
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game C1
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game C2
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game C3
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game C4
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game D1
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game D2
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game E1
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball game E2
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball group A standings
 * 2016 Summer Olympics women's basketball group B standings
 * 2016 Summer Olympics basketball convenience template navbox
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 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:59, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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Template:MasterChef Celebrity (Spain)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:29, 1 May 2023 (UTC) Consists of celebrity performances on a TV show, thus fails WP:PERFNAV -- wooden superman  14:09, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * MasterChef Celebrity (Spain)


 * Keep: This navigation box is not about the performances on a TV show. It is about a talent show, and it lists the contestants on its different seasons, that in this case, yes, they are celebrities. Ferclopedio (talk) 15:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Unlike other MasterChef templates, there aren't articles for seasons for this version of the show. So this may fit the argument of the performance navbox since it just lists the more notable celebrities who have appeared on the show, which could just be found on their articles under the filmography section and on the main article for the show. Yet, there isn't enough other than just a simple listing. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. The only navigation (apart from the parent article) is to participants which are all clearly listed in the parent article. Per WP:NAVBOX "The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent." which is not the case here. Nigej (talk) 13:50, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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Template:American Song Contest

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:28, 1 May 2023 (UTC) As this is a list of performances in a TV show, this fails WP:PERFNAV -- wooden superman  12:06, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * American Song Contest
 * Keep – While the American Song Contest isn't as long-standing as the Eurovision Song Contest, the Eurovision Song Contest has a template, and so does American Idol, and so does The Voice, etc. This is similar to each of those instances. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paintspot (talk • contribs) 17:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete There is just one winner after the first season. We should be listing winners. But this lists every contestant which is not needed. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:04, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. There was only one season of this show and it is unclear if there will be another. This is better as a category for the entrants rather than a navbox. Individual participants were also not particularly notable outside of the show and many are unlikely to ever have articles to navigate between. Delete per WP:PERFNAV. Grk1011 (talk) 12:57, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. per above. A navbox for contestants is not required. Nigej (talk) 13:44, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above, navbox is not required at this stage. There has only been one edition, it's unclear when another may be held, and the same functionality can be achieved with a category. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:21, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Longford Lecturers

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:25, 1 May 2023 (UTC) Do we really need a navbox for this? I think the spirit of WP:UNDUE and WP:PERFNAV apply here. -- wooden superman  10:45, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Longford Lecturers
 * Delete The article for the subject does the list better. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:57, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Being in the list is not "defining". Also the lecturer articles rarely refer to the others. List in parent article is sufficient. Nigej (talk) 08:33, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Sõmeru Parish

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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request undeletion of these templates. ✗ plicit  14:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC) Both no longer needed as these are former parishes in Estonia and all links are now in the current parish navboxes. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:59, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Sõmeru Parish
 * Veriora Parish
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2023 May 1. ✗ plicit  14:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Donaghy-LMR
 * Ferneyhough-LMR
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