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Template:2013 Super Rugby Promotion Relegation Series

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:40, 27 December 2023 (UTC) unused after being merged with the parent articles. Frietjes (talk) 18:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:18, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Routelist top-MYS

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC) No transclusions. Created in January 2023. No explanation of why it is needed instead of the template it is forked from. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Routelist top-MYS
 * Delete per nom. Toadette  (Happy holiday!) 09:43, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Sonic the Hedgehog characters

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Sonic the Hedgehog. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Sonic the Hedgehog characters with Template:Sonic the Hedgehog.
 * Sonic the Hedgehog characters
 * Sonic the Hedgehog

This navbox only contains six characters, which doesn't seem large enough to warrant a separate navbox. It can easily be slotted into the main series navbox (Most likely in the "Related" section under its own category) Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 21:29, 11 December 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Given the recent conclusion, relisting for better evidence of consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 01:45, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Come on, we just discussed this a few months ago. And again back in 2022. There's already a consensus to keep them both. Sergecross73   msg me  21:55, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * While I was unaware of these prior debates, I've taken a look at them and don't quite understand the rationale. The Sonic the Hedgehog navbox is nowhere near bloated in size to justify a separate navbox split, and keeping them split seems like it would be worse to navigate overall. I would understand if, say, we were merging a significant number of articles, but only six? That fits comfortably in there without overly cluttering the navbox. The other rationale that "the infobox will only get bigger" is a bit of a silly one as well. Yes, of course the box will get bigger, but so will nearly every franchise under the sun, and many other franchises like Super Mario and Metal Gear keep their characters in the same navbox as the series navbox and still work just fine. The decision to split just seems like a navigational annoyance more than it does a useful size split. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We're constantly trimming things off the main Sonic template to keep it from being overwhelming. It doesn't need another six items (or more, because people are constantly trying to spin out more character articles.) . Weve got a future-proof set up, and we've come to a consensus on this twice in the last year or so, and this proposal doesn't present a new argument.  Sergecross73   msg me  00:17, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If you really think it needs trimming, then how about removing articles like multi-franchise video games or guest appearances such as Lego Dimensions or Super Monkey Ball, etc., rather than actual directly related articles? -- wooden superman  11:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't say it needs trimming, I'm saying it's constantly being trimmed to keep it a manageable size. Those titles are directly related because they feature Sonic as a playable character in them. Sergecross73   msg me  14:05, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Not as directly related as the actual playable character Sonic the Hedgehog (character) who doesn't even appear in the navbox Sonic the Hedgehog! Also a serious discussion needs to be had about all these crossover games, as their inclusion in every single navbox is getting rather ridiculous.  Look at the stupid number of navboxes at Super Smash Bros. for example. -- wooden  superman  14:12, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * If I may ask, more from a place of curiosity, what kind of stuff is being trimmed from the navbox? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 15:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge like in the Mario template. Six characters could be easily handled in the main navbox. Redjedi23 (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge. The characters don't need a template of their own.  Can easily be handled in the main navbox. -- wooden  superman  10:01, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. I was the person who proposed the merge in June 10, 2023. And I'm not sure if I can vote here again. My rationale is still the same. That the current split state of the templates are done poorly. It complicated the navigation by an extra click or two, and yet, except for the "games" template, I see no other Sonic templates have the potential of expansion. If the room for expansion is small, then merging would be a better idea. --Explorer09 (talk) 11:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * P.S. I've mentioned that Template:Sonic the Hedgehog characters was a poorly done template. If the navbox can be expanded to cover everything about Sonic "universe", than I would be fine with the split. Or if there were dozens of characters each with their own Wikipedia article, then a split navbox would be good as well. If the characters' wikilinks can fit just one line of the box, then the split would be not okay.
 * As for the "stupid number of navboxes in the Super Smash Bros. page", how about this: Include the list of universes/IPs in the Template:Super Smash Bros. and remove the "game series/IPs" navboxes from the main Super Smash Bros. article? That would clean the page up. (Smash is only loosely connected to the said game series/IPs. While the game series navboxes can include Smash as a "related game" link, the link can be one way to guide readers out and not need to guide them back in.)
 * --Explorer09 (talk) 11:49, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge per above arguments. Toadette  (Happy holiday!) 09:48, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge per the proposal, as it's really unnecessary to split off a template with only six entries. Left guide (talk) 01:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge to Template:Sonic the Hedgehog, as it is better formatted there. बिनोद थारू (talk) 19:26, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Diplomatic missions in Guyana

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 14:38, 27 December 2023 (UTC) Only has 1 entry, after redirects removed. LibStar (talk) 00:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Diplomatic missions in Guyana
 * Delete per nom. Toadette  (Happy holiday!) 09:45, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Almost zero value. Orientls (talk) 16:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Nomination बिनोद थारू (talk) 19:26, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Diplomatic missions in Guinea

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 14:36, 27 December 2023 (UTC) Only has 1 entry for English language. The rest should be covered in corresponding template in French Wikipedia. LibStar (talk) 00:01, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Diplomatic missions in Guinea
 * Delete per nom. Toadette  (Happy holiday!) 09:45, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Almost zero value. Orientls (talk) 17:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete unlikely to be needed.
 * बिनोद थारू (talk) 19:55, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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