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Template:Diplomatic missions in Eritrea

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC) After redirects moved, this template only has 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 23:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Diplomatic missions in Eritrea
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Copied section to Wikisource

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:35, 14 December 2023 (UTC) No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2007. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Copied section to Wikisource
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Cite Kavkazskiy Kalendar 1911

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 15:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC) Unused citation template. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Cite Kavkazskiy Kalendar 1911
 * Delete: Literally unused. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:00, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Leave: The templates are now used. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:15, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Archive

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Archive and delete Template:Archive navigation after conversion. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 15:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Archive with Template:Automatic archive navigator.
 * Archive
 * Automatic archive navigator
 * Archive navigation

Update: Propose deleting Template:Archive navigation.

Template:Automatic archive navigator (more often done as ) looks the same as Template:Archive (usually except it much more functionally provides automatic navigation between sequential archive pages. These should have merged long ago. All that is needed is porting the old template's diff and histOffset parameters to the newer template, if those parameters are actually useful, which is dubious to begin with; they're almost never used. If they're retained, histoffset should be aliased to the latter, because we don't traditionally use Python-style mixedCase parameter names and no one expects or is going to remember this one. PS: Or merge them the other way around and have the shorter name be the main name; I really don't care either way, as long as a zillion instances of what are presently  get upgraded to  functionality without having to tediously change all the archive pages to use the better template. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

PS: It seems there was a previous discussion of this (no consensus) at WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 August 24. The sticking point was that Template:Archive navigation also exists, a template to secondarily add the features of Template:Automatic archive navigator below an instance of Template:Archive. So, Template:Archive navigation simply needs to be deleted after this merge, and I've added it to the nomination above. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:48, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * As noted, this is long overdue. There should be no opposition here beyond matters of technical feasibility. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support. I haven't looked over the template code but I agree that there should be one template instead of 3 doing similar things. So support this. That said (and based on the disscussion from 3 years ago), this might be a bit more complicated than the regular code merge. Gonnym (talk) 11:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Support Having one template for this purpose would be a significant improvement which I've been interested in working on in the past. The mentioned previous TfD put an end to that. I do however think that you underestimate the complexity of this merger. We don't want duplicate navigation lists which going from archive to aan can produce if you're not careful. There are also a bunch of pages where multiple Archive templates are placed throughout the page for some reason that probably should be removed. Then we have Archive navigation without an associated box and these templates being specified for use in archive bot instructions. And that's not mentioning pure misuse which I've seen a lot of with archive templates in particular. Things like putting boxes in boxes or putting an archive template on the main user talk page. All this can be done properly though and I would be happy to help with it. --Trialpears (talk) 22:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support This seems to be a clear improvement with no downsides. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:UCLPartners

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:55, 14 December 2023 (UTC) This navbox functions purely as a list of organisations which are part of "UCLPartners", and is too large and unweidly to provide meaningful links / categorisation. Information is better provided in list or category format. Elshad (talk) 12:23, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * UCLPartners


 * There's no obvious rationale for an editor to want to quickly get from one of these articles to another; it's basically just an arbitrary collection of entities that happen to be in partnership. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:53, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:RTÉ News and Current Affairs people

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:50, 14 December 2023 (UTC) WP:PERFNAV -- wooden superman  09:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * RTÉ News and Current Affairs people
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Misleading

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗ plicit  14:50, 14 December 2023 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Misleading with Template:Disputed.
 * Misleading
 * Disputed

These two templates seem to be the exact same, but with slightly different wording. Kinopiko talk 06:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * There's a reasonable semantic difference between these, though. Disputed is for falsehoods; misleading also covers cases where an article might be factually accurate, but presents facts in a way which results in the reader receiving a false impression. It might be that these use cases overlap sufficiently that disputed could be reworded to cover both, but right now it doesn't. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:51, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment: What wording does the nominator propose for the merged template? – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:18, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Chris Cunningham. The difference is important, in my opinion. 123957a (talk) 00:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Misleading means a true statement presented in a manner that suggests something false. –LaundryPizza<b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:26, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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