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Template:Infallible declarations

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 03:31, 19 March 2023 (UTC) There is no official Catholic declaration, nor scientific consensus, as to what are all the positions the Catholic Church holds as infallible. The closest thing there is, is the list given at point 11. of the Doctrinal Commentary on the Concluding Formula of the Professio fidei which is "[w]ithout any intention of completeness or exhaustiveness".
 * Infallible declarations

The selection criteria are unclear, something which was already pointed out in 2016 at the Talk page and to which the template creator did not answer conclusively.

The claim that those indivual documents and all the council documents (which is what I assume the template refers to when it has the names of the councils) are infallible, is nowhere to be found on the individual WP articles linked in the template, apart from Ineffabilis Deus and Munificentissimus Deus.

This template is therefore pure WP:OR and should be deleted. Veverve (talk) 23:19, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:49, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:46, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete – It is a complicated subject that even theologians wrestle with. The template talk page also clarifies that is really an ill-defined concept for determining what is included. &mdash;  Archer1234  (t·c) 01:28, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. (WP:OR) —Alalch E. 12:24, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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Template:CONCACAF national champions

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 22:38, 18 March 2023 (UTC) Used on one very loosely related article. Template:CONCACAF Championship, Template:CONCACAF Gold Cup, and Template:Countries at the CONCACAF Gold Cup already exist. The only unique links this adds are links to national football teams, but these links are just general articles and not specific to CONCACAF (like the country links Countries at the CONCACAF Gold Cup has). Gonnym (talk) 19:52, 23 February 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Timothytyy (talk) 00:06, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * CONCACAF national champions
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:53, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - valid as per FIFA World Cup winners etc., simply needs adding to relevant articles. GiantSnowman 19:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The relevant articles already have the other templates. No reason to add another template which does the same thing the others do. Gonnym (talk) 13:48, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Other navboxes are already doing the job. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:32, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:37, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep – It is only on "one loosely related article" because it is new, and I have not had the time to add this template to other national team pages. And it does not fulfill the same purpose as other navboxes as those ones list the host nations, not the champions. Similar templates are already used for the FIFA World Cup champions and the Summer Olympic gold medalists. RedBlueGreen<b style="color: #000000">93</b> (talk) 17:33, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The template links to country templates which are general articles, unrelated to CONCACAF specifically. Additionaly, a navigation template is not an article and a link there should appear only once, yet here you have 10(!) links to the same Mexico article and 7 links to the USA article. A reader clicking on the 2019 country link will reach the same place as a reader clicking on the 1965 country link. How are they aided by this navigation? Gonnym (talk) 18:35, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per RedBlueGreen. Senior Captain Thrawn (talk) 21:56, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm pretty sure this template (or similar) has been deleted twice before at CONCACAF Gold Cup winners, once less than two years ago. I'm not seeing any compelling reasons to keep this one that address any arguments made in the prior TfDs. I also agree with Gonnym's concerns that this doesn't aid in navigation in any way - "champions of the CONCACAF championship" is not enough of an identifying characteristic to just have these national team pages all listed together, especially not the same link to Mexico 10 times. And frankly, I don't care that there are other navboxes for the World Cup or Summer Olympics - these same concerns would apply to those templates too, and I'd be more inclined to bring them to TfD than to include this one because those exist. -fuzzy510 (talk) 07:08, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * delete per the prior TfD as noted above. Frietjes (talk) 16:25, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per nom and fuzzy510 (in light of the prior TfD linked above). —Alalch E. 21:20, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, fuzzy510, and both this and this prior TfDs that ended in deletion (is this not enough for a G4 speedy deletion?). I don't see how this template aids in navigation at all. V27t (talk) 12:32, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side templates
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:37, 18 March 2023 (UTC) unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution and transcluding articles update to use WP:LST Frietjes (talk) 00:11, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side group A standings
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side group B standings
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game A1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game A2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game A3
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game A4
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 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game A6
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game B1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game B2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game B3
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game B4
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game B5
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game B6
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game C1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game C2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game D1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game D2
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 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side convenience template navbox
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side convenience templates
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side game reference templates
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 5-a-side templates
 * Delete unused templates after merger of content that belongs in the article with the article and adjustments of transclusions on other pages. —Alalch E. 21:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:46, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I oppose all implementation of LST until this process is discussed with the community at large. All removals of the above templates in the relevant articles should be reverted. Silver  seren C 03:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep for now While I think the idea behind all these LST nominations is good I don't believe it's currently reliable enough for mass deployment. Based on Category:Pages transcluding nonexistent sections and some searches I estimate that 15-20% of LST uses are broken, which is unacceptable in my eyes. There's a discussion at Village_pump_(policy) where I've suggested some ways to improve this so that LST becomes something I can enthusiastically support. --Trialpears (talk) 04:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 16:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 17:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. It was just repetitive data and thus WP:LST is more appropriate, because templates should be used for standardized or navigational repetitive content, see Help:Template. Irecorsan (talk) 11:57, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side templates
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:35, 18 March 2023 (UTC) unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution and transcluding articles update to use WP:LST Frietjes (talk) 00:11, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side group A standings
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side group B standings
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game A1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game A2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game A3
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game A4
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game A5
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game A6
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game B1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game B2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game B3
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game B4
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game B5
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game B6
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game C1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game C2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game D1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game D2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game E1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game E2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game F1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game F2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side convenience template navbox
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side convenience templates
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side game reference templates
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics football 7-a-side templates
 * Delete unused templates after merger of content that belongs in the article with the article and adjustments of transclusions on other pages. —Alalch E. 21:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:46, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I oppose all implementation of LST until this process is discussed with the community at large. All removals of the above templates in the relevant articles should be reverted. Silver  seren C 03:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep for now While I think the idea behind all these LST nominations is good I don't believe it's currently reliable enough for mass deployment. Based on Category:Pages transcluding nonexistent sections and some searches I estimate that 15-20% of LST uses are broken, which is unacceptable in my eyes. There's a discussion at Village_pump_(policy) where I've suggested some ways to improve this so that LST becomes something I can enthusiastically support. --Trialpears (talk) 04:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 16:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 17:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. It was just repetitive data and thus WP:LST is more appropriate, because templates should be used for standardized or navigational repetitive content, see Help:Template. Irecorsan (talk) 11:57, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey templates
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:35, 18 March 2023 (UTC) unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution and transcluding articles update to use WP:LST Frietjes (talk) 00:11, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game A1
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game A2
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game A3
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game A4
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game A5
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game A6
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game B1
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game B2
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game B3
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game B4
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game B5
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game B6
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game C1
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game C2
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game D1
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game E1
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game F1
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game F2
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game G1
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game H1
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey game reference templates
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics ice sledge hockey templates
 * Delete unused templates after merger of content that belongs in the article with the article and adjustments of transclusions on other pages. —Alalch E. 21:01, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:46, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I oppose all implementation of LST until this process is discussed with the community at large. All removals of the above templates in the relevant articles should be reverted. Silver  seren C 03:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep for now While I think the idea behind all these LST nominations is good I don't believe it's currently reliable enough for mass deployment. Based on Category:Pages transcluding nonexistent sections and some searches I estimate that 15-20% of LST uses are broken, which is unacceptable in my eyes. There's a discussion at Village_pump_(policy) where I've suggested some ways to improve this so that LST becomes something I can enthusiastically support. --Trialpears (talk) 04:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. It was just repetitive data and thus WP:LST is more appropriate, because templates should be used for standardized or navigational repetitive content, see Help:Template. Irecorsan (talk) 11:57, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling templates
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:34, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling standings
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 1 sheet A
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 1 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 1 sheet C
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 1 sheet D
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 2 sheet A
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 2 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 2 sheet C
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 2 sheet D
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 3 sheet A
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 3 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 3 sheet C
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 3 sheet D
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 4 sheet A
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 4 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 4 sheet D
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 5 sheet A
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 5 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 5 sheet C
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 5 sheet D
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 6 sheet A
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 6 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 6 sheet C
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 6 sheet D
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 7 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 7 sheet C
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 7 sheet D
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 8 sheet A
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 8 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 8 sheet C
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 8 sheet D
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 9 sheet A
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 9 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 9 sheet C
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 9 sheet D
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 10 sheet A
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 10 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 10 sheet C
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 11 sheet A
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 11 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 11 sheet C
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 11 sheet D
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 12 sheet A
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 12 sheet B
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 12 sheet C
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling draw 12 sheet D
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling semifinal 1
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling semifinal 2
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling bronze medal game
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling gold medal game
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling convenience template navbox

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution and transcluding articles update to use WP:LST Frietjes (talk) 00:11, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics convenience template navigational boxes
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling game reference templates
 * 2014 Winter Paralympics wheelchair curling templates
 * Delete unused templates after merger of content that belongs in the article with the article and adjustments of transclusions on other pages. —Alalch E. 21:01, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:46, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I oppose all implementation of LST until this process is discussed with the community at large. All removals of the above templates in the relevant articles should be reverted. Silver  seren C 03:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep for now While I think the idea behind all these LST nominations is good I don't believe it's currently reliable enough for mass deployment. Based on Category:Pages transcluding nonexistent sections and some searches I estimate that 15-20% of LST uses are broken, which is unacceptable in my eyes. There's a discussion at Village_pump_(policy) where I've suggested some ways to improve this so that LST becomes something I can enthusiastically support. --Trialpears (talk) 04:21, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. It was just repetitive data and thus WP:LST is more appropriate, because templates should be used for standardized or navigational repetitive content, see Help:Template. Irecorsan (talk) 11:57, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

Template:Simpleboxtop
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:12, 18 March 2023 (UTC) This set of templates was created in January 2022 and hasn't been used since. It is redundant to Template:Infobox per its own documentation, quote: Infoboxes are really complicated. A much more simple one could be made using normal wikitext formatting. This template is a simple infobox. —⁠andrybak (talk) 00:02, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Simpleboxtop
 * Simpleboxsection
 * Simpleboxdata
 * Delete unused alternative for infoboxes. —Alalch E. 21:07, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:46, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
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