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2020–21 NWFL Premiership season

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 21:45, 4 April 2023 (UTC) Was used one time, which I moved to the main article, also has a few redirects and a 1-item category. (N.B. should redirects be included in these listings, or are they taken care of automatically?) CRwikiCA  talk 20:12, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2020–21 NWFL Premiership season
 * Nigeria association football standings templates
 * , you don't need to include the redirects, they are automatically deleted per WP:CSD if the templates are deleted. Frietjes (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2023 (UTC)


 * delete, no longer needed. Frietjes (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)]
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 10:15, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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Template:2018 Kazakhstan Premier League table

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 21:45, 4 April 2023 (UTC) Fixed section transclusion in article and updated the link to the template which duplicated the article. The 2 categories will be empty after. CRwikiCA talk 19:55, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2018 Kazakhstan Premier League table
 * 2018 association football standings in Europe templates
 * 2018 association football standings templates
 * delete, no longer needed. Frietjes (talk) 21:29, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 10:15, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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Template:2017–18 Egyptian Premier League table

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 21:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC) Embedded this in the text per prior WT:FOOTY discussion, main contributor seems semi-retired. The 2 categories will be empty after. CRwikiCA talk 19:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2017–18 Egyptian Premier League table
 * 2017–18 association football standings templates
 * 2017–18 association football standings in Africa templates
 * delete, no longer needed. Frietjes (talk) 21:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 10:15, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Surf's Up series
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 21:43, 4 April 2023 (UTC) Only three articles, no need for a navigational box. ★Trekker (talk) 17:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Surf's Up series
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Jay D. Easy (t) 20:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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College softball class-/position-specific award navboxes
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:50, 6 April 2023 (UTC) Primary reasons are that these violate WP:CRUFT, WP:CREEP, and WP:NENAN. In NCAA Division I sports, Player of the Year and Coach of the Year are the only awards at the conference level that are major enough to warrant navboxes. There is now also a precedent for this type of discussion, with the unanimous outcome being delete (see Templates for discussion/Log/2023 March 16). SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:31, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Big 12 Conference Softball Freshman of the Year navbox
 * Big 12 Conference Softball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Big Ten Conference Softball Freshman of the Year navbox
 * Big Ten Conference Softball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Pac-12 Conference Softball Defensive Player of the Year navbox
 * Pac-12 Conference Softball Freshman of the Year navbox
 * Pac-12 Conference Softball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * Southeastern Conference Softball Freshman of the Year navbox
 * Southeastern Conference Softball Pitcher of the Year navbox
 * delete, per prior discussion, navbox creep. Frietjes (talk) 16:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, per WP:TCREEP and WP:NENAN. Wikipedia is snowed-under with this sort of navbox which has no useful navigational value and no encyclopedic value either. Nigej (talk) 16:55, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Per prior arguments CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 18:15, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Template:Big 12 Conference Softball Pitcher of the Year navbox, Template:Big Ten Conference Softball Pitcher of the Year navbox, Template:Pac-12 Conference Softball Pitcher of the Year navbox, and Template:Southeastern Conference Softball Pitcher of the Year navbox, delete all the others. For college baseball and softball, Player of the Year and Pitcher of the Year are essentially equivalent awards, with Player of the Year going to the top yearly position player and Pitcher of the Year going to the top yearly pitcher. It's similar to the relationship between the Major League Baseball Most Valuable Player Award and the Cy Young Award in MLB. All the others are relatively minor awards that are navbox cruft and can be deleted. Ejgreen77 (talk) 20:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Personally I'd get rid of the Player of the Year and Coach of the Year templates too. Per WP:NAVBOX "Navigation templates are a grouping of links used in multiple related articles to facilitate navigation between those articles in Wikipedia." How do any of these aid navigation? In reality they're being as decorative additions to player articles. Nigej (talk) 21:21, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Pitcher of the Year, I agree with User:Ejgreen77. DetroitFan7 (talk) 04:08, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Disagree on keeping any of these, the comparison to something like MVP or Cy Young is a bad argument, since none of these are awards are on the same level as those even in their individual sport. Conference player of the year is not the same thing as Most Valuable Player of the accepted top-tier professional league. -fuzzy510 (talk) 04:17, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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2012 Summer Paralympics goalball templates
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC) per the current convention for Olympics and Paralympics articles, the game and standings templates should be hosted in the parent article, and not in individual templates. if consensus changes over LST vs templates, we can always put all the matches and standings into a single template with a switch so we don't need to watch 35 templates per event. Frietjes (talk) 16:24, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball group A standings
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball group B standings
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball group C standings
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball group D standings
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game A1
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 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B1
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 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B10
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B11
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B12
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B13
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B14
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game B15
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game C1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game C2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game C3
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game C4
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game D1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game D2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game E1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics men's goalball game E2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game A1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game A2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game A3
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game A4
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game A5
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game A6
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game A7
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game A8
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game A9
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game A10
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game B1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game B2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game B3
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game B4
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game B5
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game B6
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game B7
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game B8
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game B9
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game B10
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C3
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game C4
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game D1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game D2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game E1
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics women's goalball game E2
 * 2012 Summer Paralympics goalball convenience template navbox
 * Delete per nom. Doing it this way is massive work compared to switching to a single template. SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:45, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The Help:Labeled section transclusion style is much much simpler IMO. The "convenience" templates all need to go. Nigej (talk) 17:05, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Maintenance of these is easier when embedded in the article. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 18:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note This makes Template:2012 Summer Paralympics goalball convenience template navbox redundant too and that should be added to this entry. CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 18:20, 24 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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Template:2018 Winter Olympics convenience template navbox navbox
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC) With the Winter Olympics curling convenience template deleted, this navbox doesn't serve much purpose. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 03:03, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 2018 Winter Olympics convenience template navbox navbox
 * delete, no longer needed. Frietjes (talk) 16:24, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete no longer needed CRwikiCA  <i style="color:navy">talk</i> 18:21, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
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