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Template:Colored Cell

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:40, 10 May 2023 (UTC) Somewhat recent but unused, apparently abandoned, default is far from MOS:COLORS. Fernando Trebien (talk) 20:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Colored Cell
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Alternative colors

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:41, 10 May 2023 (UTC) Unused, unclear purpose, defines a table cell background color palette by simply translating a number into a named web color, easily replaceable by a standard style tag. Fernando Trebien (talk) 19:06, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Alternative colors
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:TWCleanup2

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 23:45, 10 May 2023 (UTC) Only used in one place. While I would appreciate someone cleaning up obstacle, Wikipedia is perpetually unfinished and fringe maintenance templates by their nature attract no attention. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * TWCleanup2
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to with a switch to autoadd a ratinoale for Wiktionary -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 04:05, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Venezuela at Mister Universe

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:43, 10 May 2023 (UTC) Another Venezuela-specific pageant template for no existing articles. The only additional one is Template:Venezuela at Mister Supranational but this one actually contains some articles. These templates are the only pages included in several categories. Liz Read! Talk! 17:33, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Venezuela at Mister Universe
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Just no use for navigation. Plenty of others need deleting too. Nigej (talk) 20:01, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The person who loves reading (talk) 22:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Venezuela at Mister International

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:43, 10 May 2023 (UTC) Another Venezuela-specific pageant template for no existing articles. Feel free to bundle these together. Liz Read! Talk! 17:30, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Venezuela at Mister International
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nigej (talk) 20:01, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The person who loves reading (talk) 22:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Venezuela at Mister Global

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:43, 10 May 2023 (UTC) No existing articles to include in this template for Venezuela. Liz Read! Talk! 17:28, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Venezuela at Mister Global
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nigej (talk) 20:01, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep These templates have links associated with editions of the contests. It can be seen in the case of Mister Internacional, in its 2022 edition or in the case of Man of the World, in its 2023 edition. Many of these editions are in the process of being edited and improved. Mister Global has its 2022 article and in the case of Mister Universe, the article is in the Spanish version, Mister Universe. I understand that the templates must have associated links.  But I ask you for a period of 1 year (May 5, 2024) so that all these editions are published with their proper references and thus the templates can be maintained.  If the improvement is not met within the deadline, I understand that they are removed, and that they can only be restored until the editions are properly published. I appreciate your consideration. Thank you
 * Mauriziok (talk) 14:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Mauriziok (talk) 14:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The person who loves reading (talk) 22:17, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Venezuela at Man of the World

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:43, 10 May 2023 (UTC) Doesn't seem to be a template that will be used on many articles. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 17:26, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Venezuela at Man of the World
 * Delete Only one entry, and that one is unlinked. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 19:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Nigej (talk) 20:01, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The person who loves reading (talk) 22:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:2024 Summer Olympics calendar
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  23:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC) Not needed. Substed to articles and used WP:LST per precedent. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 2024 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 2022 Winter Olympics Calendar
 * 2020 Winter Youth Olympics Calendar
 * 2020 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 2018 Winter Olympics Calendar
 * 2018 Summer Youth Olympics calendar
 * 2016 Winter Youth Olympics Calendar
 * 2016 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 2014 Winter Olympics Calendar
 * 2014 Summer Youth Olympics calendar
 * 2012 Winter Youth Olympics Calendar
 * 2012 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 2010 Winter Olympics Calendar
 * 2010 Summer Youth Olympics calendar
 * 2008 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 2004 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 2000 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 1998 Winter Olympics calendar
 * 1996 Summer Olympics calendar
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 * 1992 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 1988 Winter Olympics calendar
 * 1984 Winter Olympics calendar
 * 1972 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 1968 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 1964 Winter Olympics calendar
 * 1964 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 1960 Winter Olympics calendar
 * 1960 Summer Olympics calendar
 * 1952 Winter Olympics calendar
 * 1896 Summer Olympics calendar
 * olympics calendar templates
 * Delete all per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 19:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Templates are heavy and used in more than one article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Which one of them is still used? The nominator substed them, so they are no longer in use. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:44, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Unused. Nigej (talk) 19:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Templates are heavy and risk of accidental/incorrect editing. JoshMartini007 (talk) 12:41, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all on principle of deleting inline table templates that don't vary in content, "heaviness" be damned. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 14:23, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete 30K is not that heavy, better to keep such templates in the article. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:46, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * delete, no need for individual templates. Frietjes (talk) 20:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Canadian premiers, 1920s
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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:05, 11 May 2023 (UTC) Per the discussion on March 27, 2023, for Template:American leaders, 1920s. We have enough navboxes for most leaders including that general navboxes for each position, era, and decade. A timeline navbox isn't necessary. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:08, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Canadian premiers, 1920s
 * Canadian viceroys, 1920s
 * Australian premiers, 1920s

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:57, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep unlike the American leaders template, these particular templates have well-defined and encyclopedic inclusion criteria (every province/territory of Canada and every state/territory of Australia, for one), and are more useful and aesthetically pleasing than other templates of leaders by decade. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:13, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all The sole purpose of a WP:NAVBOX is for navigation. This decorative style of navbox does not aid navigation, they're just confusing. What do all the colors mean? How do these in any way aid navigation. Nigej (talk) 19:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The timeline nature of this navbox aids in navigation by collating the relevant premier terms together in a visual format and is thus not "decorative". I am unaware of any other leader navboxes by decade, but as an example of template shortcomings SKPremiers does not give the dates, parties, or even first names of the officeholders, whereas the timeline templates under discussion give all three (FYI, the colors are for parties). As I've said earlier, and in the American template discussion, I've often wondered who has been the Premier of Alberta (or Manitoba, or British Columbia) at the same time that James Garfield Gardiner, for example, was the Premier of Saskatchewan, and this navbox helps me navigate accordingly. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:52, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It's all so unnecessarily complicated. If I'm in Julian Byng, 1st Viscount Byng of Vimy, am I likely to want to jump to William Egbert. Do I really want to jump between governors of different places at different times. Really this is article content masquerading as a navbox. See WP: NAVBOX Do "The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent." Not really. Think about navigation, not hundreds of boxes. Nigej (talk) 20:06, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Nigej. Navboxes are meant for links, not timelines.—indopug (talk) 07:07, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Then why do automotive timeline navboxes such as Ford North America timeline 1946 to 1979 exist? – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 07:15, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That's the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, which can work both ways. It can be used to try to persuade people that something should be kept, or it can used to argue that they should all be deleted. I would argue that the "other stuff" ought to go too in this case. Nigej (talk) 12:15, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I use it to argue that timeline navboxes have merit, which is a more-valid use of the argument. If you are of the opinion that the automotive timelines (which have existed for decades) should be deleted as well, fair enough. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 14:53, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed - See Templates for discussion/Log/2023 April 26. -- wooden  superman  15:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete This is a dispute between a guidline and "I like it". Well, I don't like it, so we default to enforcing the standard. In other words, per Nigej. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:27, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My dispute of the guideline is not mere "I like it", but rather precedent in the form of the auto make/model timelines I referenced above in support of navbox timelines. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:54, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I like it. I think it serves great encyclopaedic value – as a reader, I'd love to see this in an article as it gives appropriate context in a way not easily communicated verbally. Perhaps it doesn't work all too well as a navbox to be honest, as well as not being what navboxen are envisioned to be, but I'm struggling to think of a different suitable method to include such a timeline in an article without it being overly obtrusive. IMO a navbox is better than nothing.  J947  † edits 08:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * delete, this should be in an article, not in a navbox which is not viewable on mobile. Frietjes (talk) 19:40, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Deletee. This is not what a navbox is for.  -- wooden  superman  15:29, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - looks like a navbox to me, just organized as a timeline. If this was added to a single article then it would not be possible to easily use it across multiple articles to help navigation, which is, as far as I understand, the purpose of a navbox.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  16:29, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="color: rgb(6,69,173); text-decoration: inherit;">Aaron Liu (talk) 01:21, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - These are, and are only, literally, "a grouping of links used in multiple related articles to facilitate navigation between those articles." If only the sort of information that makes these navboxes so very helpful to readers seeking to find the article about a particular related topic were included in every navbox. The automotive navboxes referred to above are other examples of such helpful navboxes that completely comply with the quoted definition. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:15, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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