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Template:Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking scandal

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗ plicit  03:38, 17 May 2023 (UTC) Violates WP:NAVBOX #3, #4, and #5, and the "accused" section goes against the spirit of WP:BLPCRIME. The content included here should be included in individual articles, as appropriate. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 21:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking scandal
 * Delete To me #4 is the most important: "There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template." There isn't an article specifically on the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking scandal (although that's somewhat surprising to me), so this seems to an example of "Write the article first". Nigej (talk) 15:15, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and revise While there is no main article, there are enough articles linking to a reasonable extent. For instance, the media coverage and miscellaneous sections do have enough articles for a navbox minimum of five put together. You have an article on Epstein's death and two articles on Prince Andrew next to his main article link. So you have eleven articles that connect to the topic on those alone. But remove the entire attorney's section. That's not needed. Perhaps the Epstein cat works better for those articles than the navbox. Same could go for most of the accused after all most of these individuals have not been charged with a crime or are under any investigation related to this. But overall, I think the rest should remain as is. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment we must remove the WP:BLPCRIME violations. Once those are removed, I'm neutral to whether it should be kept or not, but right now it's violating BLP policy by treating accused people as guilty. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:44, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep It is fact that those named are accused--nothing wrong. --2601:C4:C300:2890:A4F9:91E6:4B54:8DC6 (talk) 21:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * revise and change "accused" list to "convicted" list per WP:BLPCRIME, otherwise I am neutral as to keep/delete. Frietjes (talk) 14:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Revise and keep. Iraniangal777 (talk) 13:45, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Unused s-line templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  13:14, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Unused s-line templates. --Gonnym (talk) 19:47, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * S-line/DB-ICE left/11
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 * S-line/RB-BY right/35
 * S-line/RB-Hesse left/39
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 * S-line/RB-Hesse left/94
 * S-line/RB-Hesse right/39
 * S-line/RB-Hesse right/42
 * S-line/RE-Hesse left/20
 * S-line/RE-Hesse left/25
 * S-line/RE-Hesse left/50
 * S-line/RE-Hesse left/54
 * S-line/RE-Hesse left/55
 * S-line/RE-Hesse left/59
 * S-line/RE-Hesse right/20
 * S-line/RE-Hesse right/25
 * S-line/RE-Hesse right/50
 * S-line/RE-Hesse right/54
 * S-line/RE-Hesse right/55
 * S-line/RE-Hesse right/59
 * S-line/RB-RP left/65
 * S-line/RB-SL left/73
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 * S-line/RE-BW left/7
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 * S-line/RE-BW left/73
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 * S-line/RE-BW right/73
 * S-line/RE-BY left/3
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 * S-line/RE-RP left/17
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:User anti neurodiversity

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. G7 author request by User:Piperpet. (non-admin closure) –– Formal Dude  (talk)  03:23, 10 May 2023 (UTC) This may fall under WP:CSD, as this userbox appears to come off as somewhat inflammatory. While it doesn't declare hatred for neurodiversity or the movement therein, the statement of "not supporting" a particular social movement often serves only to create division. It also may violate WP:POV, by its outright negative stance on a movement that is very recent and still developing. It is additionally filed under Category:Disease, disorder, syndrome and virus user templates, which is a generally frowned upon and derogatory way to refer to any kind of neurodiversity or the Autism-Spectrum itself. This userbox is only used by three users, not including the one who created it. It is unlikely that this userbox serves a productive purpose for the project, as there are other userboxes which detail support for Autism or neurodiversity. Nomeatmashers (talk) 19:16, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * User anti neurodiversity
 * User who created the template here. I support deleting this template since I no longer stand by it and no longer have the misconceptions I had about the neurodiversity movement. I apologize for this. --Piperpet (talk) 21:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Userboxes need to go to Miscellany for deletion * Pppery * it has begun... 01:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Venezuela at Mister Supranational

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 17:43, 16 May 2023 (UTC) I nominated similar templates for Venezuela at male pageants on Templates for discussion/Log/2023 May 3 and so far there is unanimous support for deletion so I thought I'd nominate this one as well. Unlike the others, this template lists some existing articles but I think its limited scope of subject matter will make it used on very few articles. Liz Read! Talk! 16:47, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Venezuela at Mister Supranational
 * Delete. It's not cohesive to warrant a navbox. SWinxy (talk) 00:35, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per SWinxy -- wooden superman  14:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Board of Directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (1916-1987)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 17:42, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Single-article content. Subst and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:58, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Board of Directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (1916-1987)


 * No, I did not use just one article, but multiple Watch Tower / Watchtower articles and books from 1916 to the 1980s to verify the information. I predominately used material from one source, the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (of Pennsylvania), yes, but that's because nobody knows better about the directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (of Pennsylvania) than themselves. The template is useful for easier representation in the wiki page Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania than simply listing the names as done previously, so we should keep it. Junkönig (talk) 16:07, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you are confused by my brief statement. My recommendation is to keep this content, but put the content directly into the single Wikipedia article that uses it, per the template space guidelines: Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:44, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Fine, delete them. Junkönig (talk) 21:45, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is ready for a WP:G7 deletion now. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:57, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Subst and delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Board of Directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (1987-2000)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 17:42, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Single-article content. Subst and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:58, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Board of Directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (1987-2000)


 * I literally used multiple charters, amendments and Watchtowers for verification. The template has an easier structure than the previous listing of names. Junkönig (talk) 16:09, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you are confused by my brief statement. My recommendation is to keep this content, but put the content directly into the single Wikipedia article that uses it, per the template space guidelines: Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:44, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, I inserted them. Take the separate templates into the trash. Junkönig (talk) 21:45, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is ready for a WP:G7 deletion now. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:57, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Subst and delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Honored Art Worker of Uzbekistan
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 17:42, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Just a file invocation with no transclusions. Delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:42, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Honored Art Worker of Uzbekistan
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Welcome-1
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 17:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC) New, redundant welcome template. We do not need yet another undocumented, uncategorized welcome template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Welcome-1


 * Oppose - Took your advicecriticism to heart and added categories and documention. More to come soon. Delete - after seeing below's arguements, I changed my mind. Sincerely, --AugustusAudax (talk|contribs) P.S: Aliens exist 15:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. We have enough welcome templates. If anything is missing from the current ones, the talk page of the relevent template should be where requests for changes should be made. Gonnym (talk) 17:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails to distinguish itself from the myriad pre-existing templates. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WUSTLinstitutes
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The result of the discussion was delete. Transclusion is gone now, so I can't say whether it was substed or not and I'm not going to hunt. Izno (talk) 17:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Single-article content with no template parameters, documentation, categories, or incoming links from discussions. Subst and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * WUSTLinstitutes
 * Delete without substing; the target article, even without this template, is excessively laden with external links so doesn't need even more added. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Subst per nomination or just flat out delete by Pppery. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Sandler Barrymore films
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:16, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Fails WP:FILMNAV and WP:PERFNAV -- wooden superman  10:47, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sandler Barrymore films
 * Delete per nom. This isn't how filmography navboxes work. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --Lemuellio (talk) 12:48, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Affleck Damon films
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:16, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Fails WP:PERFNAV and WP:FILMNAV -- wooden superman  10:46, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Affleck Damon films
 * Delete per nom. This isn't how filmography navboxes work. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Mexico Trilogy
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Not needed. All links included at Robert Rodriguez -- wooden superman  10:25, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Mexico Trilogy
 * Delete as unnecessary fork of another template. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Flynn de Havilland films
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Fails WP:FILMNAV and WP:PERFNAV -- wooden superman  10:23, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Flynn de Havilland films
 * Delete per nom. This isn't how filmography navboxes work. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Clooney Roberts films
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Fails WP:FILMNAV and WP:PERFNAV -- wooden superman  10:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Clooney Roberts films
 * Delete per nom. This isn't how filmography navboxes work. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Ryan Hanks films
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Fails WP:PERFNAV and WP:FILMNAV -- wooden superman  10:21, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ryan Hanks films
 * Delete per nom. This isn't how filmography navboxes work. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Taylor Burton films
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Fals WP:FILMNAV and WP:PERFNAV -- wooden superman  10:21, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Taylor Burton films
 * Delete per nom. This isn't how filmography navboxes work. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Lancaster Douglas films
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Fails WP:FILMNAV and WP:PERFNAV -- wooden superman  10:20, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Lancaster Douglas films
 * Delete per nom. This isn't how filmography navboxes work. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:LDS Temple list/size-floor-site
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC) Sorry, the template is not in use Q𝟤𝟪 08:41, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * LDS Temple list/size-floor-site
 * Delete as unused. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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Template:LDS Temple list/size
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC) He seems to be meaningless Q𝟤𝟪 08:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * LDS Temple list/size
 * Delete as unused since August 2022 * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 01:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
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