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Template:Blood Red Throne

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by AnomieBOT ⚡  19:13, 9 October 2023 (UTC) Altered Genesis is about to be merged into the band page which will leave only that and two band members linked (aside from the related bands which I don't think should count to the total), and the notability of all of those is quite questionable anyway so who knows if they last. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 23:06, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Blood Red Throne
 * Delete as a non-useful list of non-links per WP:NENAT. Note that the band actually has more than 10 albums but Altered Genesis was the only one that ever had an article, and that article has now been merged/redirected to the band. Also, the two "Related" bands are not crucial pieces of information because two guys in Blood Red Throne were short-lived former members of those other bands. Also note that this band has been nominated for deletion again: Articles for deletion/Blood Red Throne (2nd nomination). ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 13:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Non-free in country of origin

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 23:20, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Redundant to Template:PD-USonly, but with less information. Used only at two files. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 12:07, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Non-free in country of origin


 * Delete per nom. I notice that this template includes a parameter for the country of origin; I'd support adding this to PD-USonly.  Anon 126   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 01:36, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete I suppose, but as Anon126 suggests, I think the country of origin notice should be added to PD-USonly first. D. Benjamin Miller (talk) 05:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Likes/dislikes percentage

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:20, 15 October 2023 (UTC) The template can be replaced using Template:Percentage. Also, the name of the template is wrong (it is not the subtemplate of Likes). 阿南之人 (talk) 10:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Likes/dislikes percentage


 * Delete with a redirect of the shortcut %. (I would've supported a full redirect except the slash makes it a subpage of the nonexistent Template:Likes, as the nominator says.)  Anon 126   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 01:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WIG category

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2023 October 15. ✗ plicit  07:06, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WIG_category
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Template:WIG-1

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  07:03, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Unused set as Template:WikiProject Women in Green handles all edit-a-thons. Template:WIG-2 was previously deleted. Gonnym (talk) 06:54, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WIG-1
 * WIG-3
 * WIG-4
 * WIG 2021
 * WIG 2022
 * WIG 2023
 * Yep, these can all be deleted &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:09, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WikiProject Anatomy/Popular pages/Total

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  07:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Unused and outdated report page. If this is wanted, it should be moved to the project page instead. Gonnym (talk) 06:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Anatomy/Popular pages/Total
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WikiProject Animation/taskforce

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  07:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Unused after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 06:51, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Animation/taskforce
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WikiProject Eurovision/News/leftpanel
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  07:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Unused WikiProject Eurovision/News. Gonnym (talk) 06:47, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Eurovision/News/leftpanel
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Wikipediacommunity
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  07:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Unused template. Unclear why the creator created this two weeks after Template:Wikipedia community (main page) which is almost identical (and itself only used twice). Gonnym (talk) 06:44, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipediacommunity
 * Had some use back at the beginning of the century. Delete.  &mdash; The Transhumanist   06:48, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Zh2
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 23:21, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Lets not create a completely new style just because of a personal preference for style. If this is wanted, it should be brought up at Template:Lang-zh and if consensus is for this new style, then it should be implemented there instead of creating a new template and module. Gonnym (talk) 06:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Zh2
 * Zh2


 * Keep. Separation by semicolon is not mandated in MOS:CHINA anywhere. If someone has a preference for a different style and wants a template to simplify their editing, there's no harm in that. There's no consensus at MOS:CHINA for any one particular way of presenting Chinese characters, which topic areas use Traditional up front and Simplified following or vice versa, when to provide a direct translation, when to provide a transliteration, when the labels (internal links to Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, Hanyu Pinyin) need to be displayed, etc. It's almost all just a body of common practice and editorial judgement. I wouldn't personally choose to use this template, but I'm not in favour of deleting it just because it's not the way we usually do it. Folly Mox (talk) 07:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Having said that, if this template is kept we might just get consensus on some of those things, which might underpin a future deletion of the template for producing MOS-noncompliant output 🙃 Folly Mox (talk) 07:47, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I would be happy in general as long as the style of inline Chinese character text is clarified some, as @Folly Mox says, absolutely. In fact, I originally used the standard style, which is not what was used throughout Chinese language, Chinese characters etc. But I was worried all my work to standardize/copyedit those articles would be seen as a contravention of their house styles, of which  was partially inspired by.
 * That said, I do think this is much nicer to read than just semicolons throughout, esp since the  is fullwidth and as such doesn't awkwardly stagger rows of tabular text as much, and the distinction between simplified and traditional characters is arguably of a different type than that between forms; transliteration; and 'gloss'.
 * However, I am also just as wary of fragmenting the extant and very useful template, but it was write-protected (justly) and I wanted to experiment some before I suggested we change it. In particular, these seem like options:
 * having a discrete "inline mode" for that looks like the  output, as it seems like the former is more meant for the head of articles than being nice to read inline in article text
 * just using throughout, and agreeing that that's the format for Chinese language text, which is what I was doing before
 * deliberating more on a style guide, and maybe figuring out something more flexible for inline presentation, since there are a few limitations with the template i keep bumping into besides the ordering and syntax
 * Remsense 聊  12:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * While we're at it, a few styles I think might be viable for general use in paragraphs and tables, which i think is an appropriate scope for a template like this—based on what I've seen in literature, given that some uses will have any combination of one to all four of the fields we're considering, plus potentially multiple glosses, character variants, or transliterations:
 * 汉字; 漢字; hànzì; 'Chinese characters'⸻
 * 汉字／漢字; hànzì; 'Chinese characters'⸻
 * 汉字；漢字 (hànzì; 'Chinese characters')⸻(fullwidth semicolon?)
 * 汉字／漢字 (hànzì; 'Chinese characters')
 * 汉字／漢字 hànzì ('Chinese characters')
 * hànzì（汉字／漢字; 'Chinese characters'）⸻possibly using full-width parentheses—though there are many situations where you'd omit the transliteration, though, and the code will be a bit more complicated, mostly likely
 * The long and short of it is, the vast majority of articles, you don't want to have too much of this inline. but for the ones that require a moderate amount, like the ones focusing on the Chinese languages, there are going to be multiple of these within a paragraph, which is certainly a tough style/readability issue. but I'm trying! :) Remsense  聊  13:19, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Please also note that MOS:SLASH is against separating things with a slash. Gonnym (talk) 13:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That's correct, but I think this might be a reasonable exception to that, especially given (in my mind, and also given how MOS:SLASH permits spaced slashes) the primary issue with slash separation here is the thinness of the slash, which is not encountered with a full-width slash. Also, the MOS's suggested alternatives here are not generally very apropos or canonical for use among Chinese-language text. Remsense 聊  13:47, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * delete. A new template the wrong way to add an additional way to render Chinese. The right way is to add it to which already had a number of options for varying the output. It would be logical to add this functionality there, where it can be easily found by someone looking to change how the template output looks. Forking the template makes that harder, and means double the work if some other change is needed.--2A04:4A43:90AF:FAB6:C187:554B:85F7:B222 (talk) 02:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I would like to do this, unfortunately, it is protected and used on hundreds of thousands of articles, so frankly, I was a little scared to suggest changes off the bat, I hope that seems reasonable. Remsense  聊  04:32, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Good news everyone! I've tweaked the code to so that hopefully it can print an inline style more agreeable with certain (most?) use cases. Behold!
 * ⸻splits and properly quotes glosses!
 * ⸻doesn't split glosses foolishly!
 * ⸻does double quotes for actual translations, reserving single quotes for glosses!
 * like i said, i was super antsy about trying to hack on the code that might affect a lot of stuff, but i'm sure someone more experienced with me will take a look and make sure my audit was sufficient, and everyone will tell me if this is good or not! :) Remsense  聊  05:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * ⸻doesn't split glosses foolishly!
 * ⸻does double quotes for actual translations, reserving single quotes for glosses!
 * like i said, i was super antsy about trying to hack on the code that might affect a lot of stuff, but i'm sure someone more experienced with me will take a look and make sure my audit was sufficient, and everyone will tell me if this is good or not! :) Remsense  聊  05:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * ⸻doesn't split glosses foolishly!
 * ⸻does double quotes for actual translations, reserving single quotes for glosses!
 * like i said, i was super antsy about trying to hack on the code that might affect a lot of stuff, but i'm sure someone more experienced with me will take a look and make sure my audit was sufficient, and everyone will tell me if this is good or not! :) Remsense  聊  05:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * ⸻doesn't split glosses foolishly!
 * ⸻does double quotes for actual translations, reserving single quotes for glosses!
 * like i said, i was super antsy about trying to hack on the code that might affect a lot of stuff, but i'm sure someone more experienced with me will take a look and make sure my audit was sufficient, and everyone will tell me if this is good or not! :) Remsense  聊  05:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * ⸻doesn't split glosses foolishly!
 * ⸻does double quotes for actual translations, reserving single quotes for glosses!
 * like i said, i was super antsy about trying to hack on the code that might affect a lot of stuff, but i'm sure someone more experienced with me will take a look and make sure my audit was sufficient, and everyone will tell me if this is good or not! :) Remsense  聊  05:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * ⸻does double quotes for actual translations, reserving single quotes for glosses!
 * like i said, i was super antsy about trying to hack on the code that might affect a lot of stuff, but i'm sure someone more experienced with me will take a look and make sure my audit was sufficient, and everyone will tell me if this is good or not! :) Remsense  聊  05:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * ⸻does double quotes for actual translations, reserving single quotes for glosses!
 * like i said, i was super antsy about trying to hack on the code that might affect a lot of stuff, but i'm sure someone more experienced with me will take a look and make sure my audit was sufficient, and everyone will tell me if this is good or not! :) Remsense  聊  05:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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 * ⸻does double quotes for actual translations, reserving single quotes for glosses!
 * like i said, i was super antsy about trying to hack on the code that might affect a lot of stuff, but i'm sure someone more experienced with me will take a look and make sure my audit was sufficient, and everyone will tell me if this is good or not! :) Remsense  聊  05:56, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Hangugeo
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  07:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC) This is a new (unused) and simple wrapper of Template:Korean. There is no reason to create this wrapper that will need future maintenance when the current template is simple enough. Gonnym (talk) 06:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hangugeo


 * Delete per nom. This template was created by a user who seemed unfamiliar with template syntax.  Anon 126   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 14:04, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:2008-09 National Division One Table
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  07:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Unused sport tables that were probably subst into their articles. Gonnym (talk) 06:31, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * 2008-09 National Division One Table
 * 2008-09 National Division Two Table
 * 2010 Super 14 Table
 * 2014 Under-19 Provincial Championship Group B log
 * 2014 Vodacom Cup Northern Section log
 * 2014 Vodacom Cup Southern Section log
 * 2016–17 Rugby Pro D2 season
 * Delete Per nom. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WikiProject Ballet
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 23:21, 15 October 2023 (UTC) This is a task force template which should be replaced with. Gonnym (talk) 04:59, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Ballet


 * Redirect to Template:WikiProject Dance per nomination. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 23:12, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Replace per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WPBannerMeta/Conversion
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  07:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Not really a template, but a work-in-progress page. If needed or wanted, should be moved to a project page. Gonnym (talk) 04:50, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WPBannerMeta/Conversion


 * No longer needed, I think &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:29, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


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Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/aclass
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 23:23, 15 October 2023 (UTC) The above Template:WPBannerMeta sub templates have all been superseded by code in Module:WikiProject banner. Most are completely unused, while some have 1-2 old talk page transclusions which should be subst, nowiki or commented out. Gonnym (talk) 04:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * WPBannerMeta/hooks/aclass
 * WPBannerMeta/hooks/bchecklist
 * WPBannerMeta/hooks/collaboration
 * WPBannerMeta/hooks/image needed
 * WPBannerMeta/hooks/peerreview
 * WPBannerMeta/hooks/qualimpintersect
 * WPBannerMeta/hooks/qualitycats
 * WPBannerMeta/hooks/todolist
 * WPBannerMeta/Assessment link
 * WPBannerMeta/class
 * WPBannerMeta/core
 * WPBannerMeta/locwarning
 * WPBannerMeta/templatepage
 * Notes:
 * Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/aclass/doc is used by Template:WikiProject Military history/aclass so should be moved to a sub-page of that template.
 * Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/bchecklist/core, Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/bchecklist/criterion, Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/bchecklist/syntax and Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/bchecklist/doc are used by Template:WikiProject Military history/bchecklist so WPBannerMeta/hooks/bchecklist should be kept until that is converted. --Gonnym (talk) 04:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Happy for any of these to be deleted if there are no tranclusions. I have been working on converting these to lua &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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