Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 September 19

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Template:Uzbekistani parliamentary election, 2014–2015

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The result of the discussion was delete after subst. Primefac (talk) 10:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC) Single-article table with no template parameters. Subst and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:18, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Uzbekistani parliamentary election, 2014–2015
 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete and subst per nom SWinxy (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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Template:IOS hardware support for the iPhone

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 10:03, 28 September 2023 (UTC) Unused table. Could be used in either History of the iPhone or iPhone but isn't. Even if will be used in one of those, it should be subst into the article and the template deleted. Gonnym (talk) 18:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * IOS hardware support for the iPhone


 * Sorry for forgetting about this one. Goal was to use it in iOS version history as a replacement for the 'green checkbox' template which unsustainably expands both vertically and horizontally every year (bad for mobile readers). But I'll clean it up and put it directly in the article; I have it saved, this can be deleted. DFlhb (talk) 18:56, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. SWinxy (talk)
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Template:Newspaper end print

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 10:04, 28 September 2023 (UTC) The template implies that a print edition ending automatically makes the article in need of copy-editing and referencing work, which makes no sense. The template also does not have a condition for when it should be removed, and the purpose of the template—to mark articles with an article-facing banner for the purposes of informing readers of the state of the subject—is an inappropriate use of ambox. Altogether, there doesn't seem to be a justifiable reason to retain this specific template: if the article needs copyediting, there's copyedit; if it needs references, there's a whole suite for that; if it is out of date, there's update.
 * Newspaper end print

This is also not related to deletion rationale, but just to illustrate the situation more broadly, there has also been a concern brought up by User:Novellasyes (at User talk:Ktkvtsh) that it's being added to articles that a) aren't even newspapers, b) have no references within the article supporting that they have ended print editions, c) don't seem to have even ended print. So, this template is also creating a content issue by merely being placed on some articles. ~Cheers, Ten  Ton  Parasol  15:38, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. I am also going to remove the template from a dozen or so pages on which it was installed, since when the template was installed on those pages, a justification was not included for adding it to them. Justification would equal "reliable sources establishing that the newspaper had stopped print production". The fact that the template as conceived neither requires nor conveniently allows for doing that is one of the reasons I think the template should be deleted. Novellasyes (talk) 12:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * For the record, I had to delete this template from The Tennessean, the Detroit Free Press, the Columbus Dispatch, the The Daily News Journal, the The Daily Advertiser (Lafayette, Louisiana), the Guelph Mercury Tribune, the Cambridge Times, the Metroland Media Group, The News-Press, The Indianapolis Star, The Des Moines Register, The Mississauga News, The Florida Times-Union, The Arizona Republic and The Cincinnati Enquirer. Novellasyes (talk) 12:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment There are also related categories Category:Newspapers transitioned fully online and Category:Newspapers not listed as fully online (currently empty) that I think are not in line with how we categorize publications. I realize that they are categories, not templates but they were created by the same editor and this template is in one category and joined by the other category so I thought I'd mention them here. Liz Read! Talk! 17:02, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Izno (talk) 18:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. A newspaper that goes exclusively online obviously might need some minor changes in the introduction, but that isn't a massive enough issue that it would require its own special dedicated maintenance template or queue. Its history, for example, will still be as a print publication, so the article doesn't require a comprehensive overhaul to pretend that it was already a website in 1879. So any needed updates can be easily handled by templates that we already have, like "update" and "copyedit", and there's no special need for this. Bearcat (talk) 12:10, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Message boxes on articles should be about the content of the article, whereas this is related to sourcing on other articles. SWinxy (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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Template:List of cabinets of the Netherlands

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The result of the discussion was delete after subst, noting for the record that WP:LST exists should any of the information be useful on other pages. Primefac (talk) 10:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC) Single-article text and table with no template parameters. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:00, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * List of cabinets of the Netherlands
 * I suppose I made this into a template because it shows not only the election results but also the cabinets, so it might be appropriate for different articles. Ironically, I named it after the cabinets, because that was my main focus (I think), but placed it in Elections in the Netherlands. There is, however, also an article List of cabinets of the Netherlands, which lists only the cabinets, but with a different presentation - and more complete, because it also lists pre-WWII cabinets. I don't know why I omitted those.
 * If there is a disadvantage to having this as a template, feel free to merge it into the article and delete it. DirkvdM (talk) 14:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Subst and delete per nom. SWinxy (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Link if in category

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The result of the discussion was delete. Nabla (talk) 08:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC) No transclusions. Created in May 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Link if in category
 * If closed as delete, please include Template:liic, a redirect to this template. Folly Mox (talk) 06:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. SWinxy (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Areaprogress

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2023 September 28. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 18:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Areaprogress
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Template:WAMY

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The result of the discussion was delete. Nabla (talk) 08:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC) Two uses, trivial syntax. Subst and delete. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * WAMY
 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Subst and delete per nom. SWinxy (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WAMP

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The result of the discussion was delete. Nabla (talk) 08:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC) Two uses, trivial syntax. Subst and delete. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * WAMP
 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Subst and delete per nom. SWinxy (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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Template:WAG

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The result of the discussion was delete. Nabla (talk) 08:17, 27 September 2023 (UTC) Three uses, trivial syntax. Subst and delete. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * WAG
 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Subst and delete per nom. SWinxy (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Boolandnot

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 10:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC) Meta-template only used by one template, and only used to produce a pointless CSS class. Remove the call entirely and delete. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Boolandnot
 * Comment: Since it's not apparent where the transclusions are coming from, it's being called by Template:Luding. SWinxy (talk) 21:27, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. SWinxy (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Olderthan
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The result of the discussion was delete. Only usage in WP space replaced with identical output. No prejudice against restoration if it is to be sandboxed in someone's userspace, as there seems to be some indication that it might find more use. Primefac (talk) 10:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC) Single-use, trivial syntax. Subst and delete. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Olderthan


 * Keep Subst is simply not a legible solution. Granted, the template needs more uses (plus better documentation and categorization). Thanks for reminding me I made that page. --Iketsi (talk) 05:46, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. SWinxy (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * delete after replacing with Show by date or similar or substituting. Frietjes (talk) 20:41, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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Template:Comparison Arabic alphabet
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The result of the discussion was delete. Creator has converted it into an svg (linked in the discussion) and replaced extant uses. Primefac (talk) 10:21, 28 September 2023 (UTC) Single-article table with no template parameters. Subst into article and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  00:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comparison Arabic alphabet
 * The reason I haven't nominated this one previously is because it uses TemplateStyles in a way that would be much grosser but still doable in inline styles. I don't think that should stop a merge into the article proper, but (for the closing admin) it is not a trivial subst and delete. Izno (talk) 18:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:12, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. It being yuk to make into inline styles is giving me pause. Make it an SVG instead maybe? SWinxy (talk) 05:00, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. I turned it into a multilingual SVG. Feel free to add translations. Arabic vs Hebrew Syriac Greek mul.svg]] --Iketsi (talk) 15:54, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yay! I like it :) SWinxy (talk) 17:21, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Meh. Sounds like it will be more work to convert and subst than just leaving it. If someone really feels like tackling that, sure. Otherwise keep as harmless. Folly Mox (talk) 08:12, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The work is trivial, it's just non-0. Izno (talk) 18:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Molly Fox. If we aren't sure deletion is the best option, then it should be taken to a talk-page discussion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:49, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Izno (talk) 18:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:06, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Arabic_alphabet&diff=1176886764&oldid=1172026460 replace with svg] and delete. Frietjes (talk) 14:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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