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Template:Please note

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2024 February 9. ✗ plicit  06:22, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Please_note
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Template:Welcome-turnaround

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2024 February 11. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 17:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Welcome-turnaround
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European League of Football season roster and staff templates

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  06:18, 9 February 2024 (UTC) All single-use templates, only used at their respective team season pages. The names listed in the templates are almost entirely non-notable and the templates should be substituted into the main article. Eagles 24/7 (C)  20:04, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 2022 Berlin Thunder roster
 * 2022 Hamburg Sea Devils roster
 * 2022 Leipzig Kings roster
 * 2022 Panthers Wrocław roster
 * 2022 Frankfurt Galaxy roster
 * 2022 Raiders Tirol roster
 * 2022 Stuttgart Surge roster
 * 2022 Vienna Vikings roster
 * 2022 Cologne Centurions roster
 * 2022 Istanbul Rams roster
 * 2022 Rhein Fire roster
 * 2022 Berlin Thunder staff
 * 2022 Leipzig Kings staff
 * 2022 Panthers Wrocław staff
 * 2022 Frankfurt Galaxy staff
 * 2022 Raiders Tirol staff
 * 2022 Stuttgart Surge staff
 * 2022 Vienna Vikings staff
 * 2022 Barcelona Dragons staff
 * 2022 Cologne Centurions staff
 * 2022 Istanbul Rams staff
 * 2022 Rhein Fire staff
 * 2023 Cologne Centurions roster
 * 2023 Frankfurt Galaxy roster
 * 2023 Hamburg Sea Devils roster
 * 2023 Paris Musketeers roster
 * 2023 Rhein Fire roster
 * 2023 Barcelona Dragons roster
 * 2023 Helvetic Guards roster
 * 2023 Milano Seamen roster
 * 2023 Munich Ravens roster
 * 2023 Raiders Tirol roster
 * 2023 Stuttgart Surge roster
 * 2023 Berlin Thunder roster
 * 2023 Fehérvár Enthroners roster
 * 2023 Leipzig Kings roster
 * 2023 Panthers Wrocław roster
 * 2023 Prague Lions roster
 * 2023 Vienna Vikings roster
 * 2023 Cologne Centurions staff
 * 2023 Frankfurt Galaxy staff
 * 2023 Hamburg Sea Devils staff
 * 2023 Paris Musketeers staff
 * 2023 Rhein Fire staff
 * 2023 Barcelona Dragons staff
 * 2023 Helvetic Guards staff
 * 2023 Milano Seamen staff
 * 2023 Munich Ravens staff
 * 2023 Raiders Tirol staff
 * 2023 Stuttgart Surge staff
 * 2023 Berlin Thunder staff
 * 2023 Fehérvár Enthroners staff
 * 2023 Leipzig Kings staff
 * 2023 Panthers Wrocław staff
 * 2023 Prague Lions staff
 * 2023 Vienna Vikings staff
 * 2024 Berlin Thunder roster
 * 2024 Berlin Thunder staff
 * substitute and delete the single-use ones. for the non-single-use ones, merge with the season article and use WP:LST to show on the main team page. Frietjes (talk) 16:25, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete Subst per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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Template:SemiBareRefNeedsTitle

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The result of the discussion was delete after replacing with title missing Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 15:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC) According to the documentation, "This is a (probably-temporary) template used by @BrownHairedGirl to track a set of references which are being improved." BHG was ArbCom banned last year, and even in normal circumstances this doesn't seem like the best use of a template. Additionally, it's not a very helpful template for tracking as it doesn't output a category in most cases or make anything appear on the article pages, so you have to know it exists to use it, and most of its uses are already tracked by Category:CS1 errors: bare URL. :Jay8g [ V•T•E ] 20:12, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * SemiBareRefNeedsTitle
 * Keep While it's unfortunate that BrownHairedGirl gave up on this task before finishing it, there is no deadline and thus no reason to prevent someone else from continuing the work she started. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:21, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete and replace with Title missing, which appears to serve the same purpose (but which may benefit from a tracking category). Comment: If this is kept, it will need an overhaul to make it useful to more than just one (banned) editor. I am happy to work on it to update the documentation, add categories, remove it when the reference has already been converted to cite xxx, and otherwise make it useful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No objection to a redirect to Title missing, but I don't see the need to delete in that case. * Pppery * it has begun... 14:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No real objection to a redirect, but replying to : I don't see the need to keep a strangely named template name (created by a now-banned editor) that is redundant to an established, maintained, documented template with a good name. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 16:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete and replace per Jonesey. If the title of interest showed up at RFD it would be deleted probably. Izno (talk) 17:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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Template:OTRS topicon
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was rename. to Template:Volunteer Response Team topicon 2. Primefac (talk) 13:19, 15 February 2024 (UTC) Propose merging Template:OTRS topicon with Template:Volunteer Response Team topicon.
 * OTRS topicon
 * Volunteer Response Team topicon

Template:Volunteer Response Team topicon exists and this could be merged with that as a optional icon choice as both templates do the same thing <i style="background:#5BCEFA; color:white">Is</i><i style="background:#F5A9B8; color:white">la</i> 🏳️‍⚧ 19:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No to the merge. The OTRS topicon should simply be deleted since WP:OTRS no longer exists, and hasn't for a while now. It doesn't improve or add anything to the VRT topicon. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 21:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree with Atsme. Do not merge; rather delete the OTRS topicon. -- Avi (talk) 00:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete Template:OTRS topicon and also Template:OTRS topicon1 and Template:OTRS topicon2. Since the OTRS does not exist anymore, these are not helpful. Any user that is part of the Volunteer Response Team should use its template. Gonnym (talk) 13:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Merging doesn't make sense. Delete all and keep VRTS topicon only. ─ The Aafī   (talk)  19:04, 24 January 2024 (UTC) Rename as RTH suggests below. ─  The Aafī   (talk)  05:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Rename Template:OTRS topicon to Template:VRT topicon2 and redirect it there. I note that in the previous TfD involving these exact two same templates, this was suggested. I think it's better than deletion; the new VRT topicon is a bit hard to see and it's generally quite ugly (an aesthetic opinion, but these are topicons). Deleting makes little sense if users want to continue to use the old topicon for their own userpages out of aesthetic choice. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 16:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The topicon was designed for my WP user page, and should not be merged. I have vision issues, and can see it quite easily. You are welcome to create whatever you want for your own user page, so can we please close this discussion? VRT has nothing to do with Wikipedia. VRT is a Wikimedia Foundation volunteer position, and I am not aware of any reason why a wmf VRT volunteer cannot use their own topicon design on their WP user pages. If you have a good reason that I cannot use it, I will stand corrected. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 16:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Mainly to get more opinions on delete vs rename. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 16:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * delete OTRS topicon, no need to merge anything. Frietjes (talk) 18:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Move or merge as a style=2 option. Yes "otrs" is gone, but the tooltip and the actual icon dont say anything about otrs, the actual image is much cleaner on the old one as well. — xaosflux  Talk 23:32, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The problem is that different VRT members prefer to use different topicons and/or bigger topicons:
 * Template:OTRS topicon uses  with the default topicon 20px image size: Vista-evolution-1.4.png
 * Template:OTRS topicon1 and Template:OTRS topicon2 use
 * Template:OTRS topicon1 uses the default topicon 20px image size: OTRS Wikimedia.svg
 * Template:OTRS topicon2 uses the bigger topicon 25px image size: OTRS Wikimedia.svg
 * Open-source Ticket Request System (OTRS) has been renamed to VRT software (VRTS) but these icons have not been updated to show the new acronym
 * Template:Volunteer Response Team topicon uses  and the bigger 25px image size: Wikimedia RGB VRT Topicon.png We've tried making this icon bigger (see the page history), but topicons are designed to be small, and thus more complex graphics are difficult. The most recent size adjustment; 28 July 2023 – wbm1058 (talk) 16:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I nominated Template:OTRS topicon2 for deletion, after replacing usage with  for the three editors who were using this (e.g., DIFF). – wbm1058 (talk) 21:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Diplomatic missions in Ecuador
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗ plicit  14:37, 8 February 2024 (UTC) This only has 2 entries, which is not much use for a template. LibStar (talk) 04:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Diplomatic missions in Ecuador
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:32, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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