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Template:Perfection

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC) WTF. No transclusions, documentation, categories, or incoming links from discussions. Userfy if this is intended as humor. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Perfection


 * It's not the technical part that is the problem (that could be corrected) . ""
 * I think strong language is discouraged on WP, when one wants to show respect to person (s)he communicates with, in this case with aspiring editors with intention to improve an article.
 * If the text in this template is meant literally, if anyone really thinks either (s)he, or his/her work, s(he) has a serious problem. If and alternatives would be no change (doesn't happen, while we are alive), degradation, or stop being alive.
 * The idea that an entity is perfect (=>impossible to be made or grow better) stops all capabilities to improve (a person or an article).
 * Regarding one's perfection and fucking (literal). Probability of having children when noone is fucking with you, were close to nil a hundred years ago, and (without artificial insemination, which can be seen as a tehnical fucking) are still around the same.
 * If one sees (him/her)self as perfect, children (unless cloned) shall not be as perfect as (s)he. Even if cloned, the environment matters, and the probability that it would be the same for your next generation is probably infinitesimally low, which means if state before was perfect, we have imminent degradation.
 * No changes actually means no life
 * Let me conclude... thinking anything is perfect is not very wise. Not fucking - e.g. neitther fiziological nor intellectual intercourse - shall also cause the supposed perfection to vanish with you and the time. In Plato's The_Dialogues_of_Plato_(Jowett)/Apology#top Socrates was reported to be the wisest man in his time and area, but he doubted the claim (the oracle of Delphi).
 * "Chaerephon, as you know, was very impetuous in all his doings, and he went to Delphi and boldly asked the oracle to tell him whether—as I was saying, I must beg you not to interrupt—he asked the oracle to tell him whether any one was wiser than I was, and the Pythian prophetess answered, that there was no man wiser. Chaerephon is dead himself; but his brother, who is in court, will confirm the truth of what I am saying."
 * Socrates searched and seriously tried to find one person in Athens wiser than him, but when he couldn't (people with fame of wisdom didn't live up to it - same happens in our time). He found out he seemed to really be the wisest because he was aware of his limits (=imperfection), and also admit them before the others (which together gave place for improvement).
 * Others who failed to live up to their fame felt pain and tried to effect vengeance on Socrates (the accusers, which with him unwilling and unable to cease and desist to show them how they should improve (they saw it as loosing the face, which they felt as painful) ended with death penalty for him, which he is reported to prefer to the alternative. Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It was meant as a humor template. Adding humor-disclaimer flairs and categories. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Marjan Tomki SI and @Jonesey95, sorry for any misunderstandings. It was originally intended as a joke by JPxG and I think it has some humor potential. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 12:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Just delete this nonsense. Gonnym (talk) 13:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * If somebody made it,, even when it is nonsense to you. What I wrote in my response above was because I'd like to see a consenus why it might be bad, and help the creator understand those reasons. I was also interested why the creator made it (and got the answer) above.
 * Deleting without letting people understand why is IMO getting into the business of permanently deleting things (like patrolling for vandalism): it is (globally) time and resource consuming, and if new generations of vandals don't get educated why not to do it (and when possible, to use their time and abilities in a better way), patrollers shall be overwhelmed by the task, and even before that shall probably be unable to contribute in any way but with patrolling.
 * I think now it can be let to original author to remove it, if the accepted procedure allows it. Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 20:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I really don't mind if someone delete this template. If any need for the template arise I will make one using raw wikicode myself. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Template:IOC birdlist/14.1

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC) Subpage no longer needed after I modified IOC birdlist to use a switch statement for the version number. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:22, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * IOC birdlist/14.1
 * Delete per nom. --——🦝 The Interaccoonale Will be the raccoon race(talk・contribs) 06:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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Template:They're

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC) No transclusions. Created in July 2023 as part of one editor's template-creation efforts. Possibly one of a set of experiments that are now abandoned. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * They're
 * Keep This is no different from they * Pppery * it has begun... 16:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Redirect-for-distinguish

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC) No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links from discussions, except for one on the creator's talk page. The creator made a bunch of undocumented templates whose purpose is/was unclear. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect-for-distinguish
 * Delete per nom. If someone wants this specific combination of templates they can easily use hatnote group * Pppery * it has begun... 16:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Kazakhstan Premier League teamlist

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Kazakhstan Premier League. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:58, 17 January 2024 (UTC) Propose merging Template:Kazakhstan Premier League teamlist with Template:Kazakhstan Premier League.
 * Kazakhstan Premier League teamlist
 * Kazakhstan Premier League

Same subject.
 * Support as template content is overlapping, only 1 template needed. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:03, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Respublik (talk) 00:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. GiantSnowman 19:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Never Mind the Buzzcocks
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 00:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC) Fails WP:NENAN, only has three links -- Alex_ 21 TALK 01:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Never Mind the Buzzcocks
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 16:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:49, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Spoiler
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The result of the discussion was speedy delete and salt (G7). (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts 20:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC) Redundant in function to redacted content. The existence of a template with this name is inherently an attractive nuisance. Delete and salt. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 00:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Spoiler


 * This simply isn't true. First of all, did you read the documentation for redacted content? It doesn't allow the text to be revealed with highlighting -- it's a large, solid rectangle. The options that allow for text to by displayed are just to show it on a contrasting background. There's not an option to alternate between hiding it and then revealing it.
 * Second of all, it's not an "attractive nuisance"; did you read the documentation for spoiler? It specifically has a switch statement that makes it impossible to use in mainspace.
 * Third of all, the debate over spoiler tags was concluded in 2009, which is fifteen years ago. When was the last time we had discourse over spoiler tags? I would recommend you withdraw this nomination. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 01:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You're right it's not technically redundant. The rest of the nomination stands. And the debate over spoiler tags had been stable since then until you decided to reopen it. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't "reopen it" -- the debate concluded quite strongly that spoiler tags should not be used in mainspace. This template does not work in mainspace. It is impossible to use this template in mainspace. It is programmed to throw a gigantic red error message and give no output if it's invoked in mainspace. There is no possible way to use this template to do the thing that everyone agreed in 2009 was bad. If someone changes the code, I would be glad to have the template protected (to template editors, or fully). Please go look at the code if you do not believe me. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 10:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * For those who do not feel like clicking through, this is the giant red notice that appears if is 0 (i.e. the template is being used in mainspace:
 * I have updated the error message to be in all caps, and for it to show it two times in a row if invoked in mainspace, instead of just the once. Additionally, in the template documentation, there was previously a section that read as follows:
 * Gallons of blood have been spilt over the use of spoiler templates in mainspace. Consensus eventually formed that nobody should ever do this. Do not do this! If you do, it will give a big sassy error message.
 * This has now been augmented with a large message at the top of the documentation page, which reads as follows:
 * Although it is already impossible for the template to be used in mainspace, it is hoped that this may provide sufficient additional notice. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 10:26, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm opposed to this being used in main space, all talk spaces, project space, template space, category space, file space, and in user space. I hope this clears things. Gonnym (talk) 10:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've nominated it for speedy deletion, thanks. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 10:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Although it is already impossible for the template to be used in mainspace, it is hoped that this may provide sufficient additional notice. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 10:26, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm opposed to this being used in main space, all talk spaces, project space, template space, category space, file space, and in user space. I hope this clears things. Gonnym (talk) 10:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've nominated it for speedy deletion, thanks. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 10:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've nominated it for speedy deletion, thanks. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 10:33, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete. I'm sorry but this type of template has no place anywhere. I completely agree with Pppery that this is a nuisance with its colorful (and ugly) boxes that force me to start highlighting those boxes just so view the text. I'm even against this usage on user spaces as editors need to realize, those pages aren't their own personal website. I'm honestly surprised this template was created in 2024. Gonnym (talk) 03:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm curious, was this template's name salted? Gonnym (talk) 04:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. It had been salted since 2008. But the creator is an admin. See also Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template and Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template talk * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I had a feeling based on the template's long history. I'm kind of surprised (to put it mildly) that an admin that has the bit for 2 months would use it in such a way. Gonnym (talk) 10:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete What is the purpose of this template? If there is any suitable use outside of the mainspace, it should be moved to a different title, at the very least. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: Consensus has clearly emerged that a template being named "Spoiler" is unacceptable ipso facto, regardless of what it does. I will just substitute all of its uses and go back to using inline styles every time text is the same color as the background. <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 10:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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