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Template:Türkspor Dortmund
All red links right now, no possible articles to transclude to. Liz Read! Talk! 23:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Türkspor Dortmund


 * I am in progress creating each article, please be patient. MintyFresh201 (talk) 23:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. First create the articles, then the template. Gonnym (talk) 11:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, but can you let me know how I can still view the template after deletion? MintyFresh201 (talk) 19:13, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * , just copy the code into a page in your user space. Drop a note on my talk page if you don't know how to do that, and I will help. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:54, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete as the club doesn't play at a high level, it's unlikely these season articles even if created will meet WP:GNG. Therefore this template is not needed, and a mass-creation of season articles just to satisfy this template would be inappropriate, unless each season article demonstrates significant coverage. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:55, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Joseph2302 I'm sorry that we don't agree, but I was wondering, at what level would a club have to be to make a template such as this notable. MintyFresh201 (talk) 20:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 11:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - not needed. GiantSnowman 11:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Unconfirmed only
No transclusions. Created in 2021. Does not appear to be useful, unless it is used in a temporary way or in if statements that do not manifest on any pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Unconfirmed only
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Adopt-a-typo Talk
Userify without redirect per Templates_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_16 deeming it unused. 174.92.25.207 (talk) 16:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Adopt-a-typo Talk
 * Restore subpage: This is kind of a mess. The nominated template is transcluded in a dozen user talk pages. The subpage linked above was unused during the TFD because this template was blanked inappropriately. I think the proper resolution is to restore Template:Adopt-a-typo Talk/Support. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Is this project even active? Seems restoring just for the sake of restoring is a bit pointless. If the project is dead, just subst the talk template and delete it. Gonnym (talk) 11:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Accordionists by nationality and century category header
Propose merging All of the above together.
 * Accordionists by nationality and century category header
 * Drummers by nationality and century category header
 * Guitarists by nationality and century category header
 * Pianists by nationality and century category header
 * Violinists by nationality and century category header

These category templates basically set three parameters:
 * Occupation
 * JobPortal
 * ParentOccupation

Where the last two are the same value between the templates.

Occupation can be easily retrieved by using, thus eliminating the need for endlessly creating these template for every single item, and using code to handle things more efficiently. Gonnym (talk) 09:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Lean oppose for now. Hey there (as the template creators); I don't think that " can be easily retrieved by using   this actually applies. There are several nationalities that follow the structure of FOOians from COUNTRY, such as the Russian Empire and Georgia, and Northern Ireland. So it would not always grab the template. I do think that this could be generalized to a broader range of musical instruments, but not how you have described it. Part of the advantage of making the template specific to a given occupation is to keep flexibility if the parents change or another parent category is added. Each of the nominated templates have different parent categories.

At the present, I have not coded those in because those categories aren't sliced up by century at the moment. But merging them, as you have suggested, would eliminate that possibility down the line. I could see creating another layer on top that called a specific subtemplate based on the presence of a specific occupation, similar ot how Template:Diffusing occupation by nationality and century category header current works using. But I really would be reluctant to overgeneralize it. Mason (talk) 23:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * accordionists is parented by Aerophone players and Keyboardists
 * pianists is parented by Category:Keyboardists,
 * violinists is parented by Category:Bowed-string musicians,
 * guitarists is parented by Category:String musicians,
 * drummers is parented by Category:Percussionists

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  11:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Overgeneralizing this system is much more better than having hundreds of similar templates like this. The maintenance burden in continuing with your current system is just insane. Regarding countries that won't work in the proposal, if you show a current category that it fails with it, I'm sure we can get it to work. Also, if the templates aren't complete then please stop creating more uncomplete templates and finish the ones that you've created. Gonnym (talk) 07:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please explain why it is "insane" to have templates that are specific to a given occupation. Right now there are 5 in your nomination, not hundreds. These templates are designed to be flexible so that changes in the category nesting can be easily applied, and ease the present burden on handling parent and child categories for a given occupation. I see this is much less burdensome than having to go through each nationality. As I already said, "At the present, I have not coded those in because those categories aren't sliced up by century at the moment. ". What I mean what there is no need right now, because the parent categories don't exist at the intersection of century and nationality. I've added in an example for accordionists . I thought it wasn't a good use for resources to go through multiple if checks for categories that don't presently exist. It isn't that the templates are incomplete, its that there is the potential that these categories might eventually differ. Mason (talk) 13:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * For the record, I think that a couple of questions and a suggestion on my talk page would have been more constructive than using ableist language to better understand the the purpose of the templates. Mason (talk) 13:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Template:Analects
Almost all of this is not actually a navbox in function as 20 of the 22 chapters are redlinks. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:13, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Analects
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Australian domestic cricket winning team squads
As per previous consensus at TFDs in 2022, here and here, domestic cricket winning squad templates are considered excessive navbox clutter. JP (Talk) 09:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Queensland Gillette Cup Winners 1975/76
 * Queensland McDonalds Cup Winners 1980/81
 * Queensland McDonalds Cup Winners 1981/82
 * South Australia 2010-11 KFC Twenty20 Big Bash Champions
 * South Australia 2011-12 Ryobi Cup Champions
 * Tasmania Squad 1978/79 Gillette Cup
 * Tasmania Squad 2004/05 ING Cup
 * Tasmania Squad 2006/07 Pura Cup
 * Tasmania Squad 2007/08 Ford Ranger Cup
 * Delete as per previous TfD consensuses (which I notice were both TFDs started by me). These are the same unnecessary clutter as those were. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete - do not need 'winning' squads like this. GiantSnowman 15:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)