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Template:Short Film Golden Bear Winners

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. If there is concern about a sea of redlinks due to a lack of articles, the winners can still be listed unlinked as seen in other templates lacking related articles (example). Primefac (talk) 19:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC) Navigation box that isn't providing much navigation. Of the 67 films that have won this award since it was first introduced in 1956, just six of them currently have articles linked to in Short Film Golden Bear -- if there are others that have articles but have been overlooked for linking, I don't have the depth of knowledge to find most of them -- and only two of them even had their articles properly linked in this template prior to me finding it just now, so that I had to wikilink them in here myself. I additionally caught one instance where a film that won this award in the 1980s was being erroneously dual-listed as also winning it in the 1970s instead of the film that actually won it in the earlier year -- and even that, I only caught because it was one of the titles I had to link, and thus had a "hey, wait, didn't I already link that one?" moment when I got to the second appearance, so there may still be other errors in here that I failed to notice. Additionally, the article is so cluttered up, with the names of the directors alongside most (but not all) of the films, that it takes up more visual space on the few articles than necessary and it's somewhat difficult to even find the few wikilinks on a casual scan at all because they're strewn throughout so much unlinked text. Obviously no prejudice against recreation in the future if and when a larger number of films listed here have articles to link -- but with very few films in this template actually having articles at present, and short films being much harder to write properly sourced articles about at the best of times due to receiving much less WP:GNG-worthy coverage as a rule, for the time being the article is sufficient and a navigation box isn't helpful. Bearcat (talk) 18:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Short Film Golden Bear Winners
 * Keep It has six links to actual articles. Whether some of the meet notability should be decided through the PROD and/or Afd process, but only after that. I've cut down on all non-links including the names of the filmmakers. It still meets the basic merit for navigation of four or more links. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is not a template that has any value as an "only films with articles to link" subset — it's a template whose value inherently requires it to be a complete list of every film that ever won this award whether it has an article or not. Specific-award navboxes always need to be completely filled out with all winners of the award, and have no value as partial incomplete lists selected on any criteria narrower than "all winners in". Bearcat (talk) 21:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But this feels as if this is more about the article's notability than anything to do with the template. Ideally, every film should have an article that has won this award, but we still have enough for a navigation purpose. Anything to do with articles should discussed in the space where articles are concerned. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, ideally we would have an article about every film that won this award — but in the real world we don't, and in the real world short films tend to be much harder (not invariably impossible, but harder) to actually write NFILM-satisfying articles about because they often (not always, but often) lack the kind of GNG-building coverage that feature films have, so there's just no prospect of most of the other articles actually getting filled in anytime soon. It's not a question of the notability of the films — every single film that does have an article already has fully adequate sourcing in it to support one, so absolutely none of their notabilities are in any question. But if the template is to exist, then it must list every film whose title is present in the article regardless of whether that film has an article to link to or not — film award navboxes have no value at all if they're anything short of complete — so taking unlinked titles out of the navbox doesn't solve the problem, because even unlinked titles must be in the navbox if the navbox is to exist at all. It's either "every title that has won the award since its creation is in the navbox" or "no navbox at all", not anything in between. Bearcat (talk) 14:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:Sawankhalok Line

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Izno (talk) 06:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC) Redundant with Template:State Railway of Thailand Railway Stations. Jonashtand (talk) 17:59, 11 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sawankhalok Line
 * Keep The State Railway navbox is extremely large and should be trimmed down. It's very hard to see where Sawankhalok line is and perhaps each line/section of railway stations should have their own navbox if they have enough minimum of links for navigation. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete Redundancy aside, there's not enough blue links to warrant a navbox here. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. While I agree that there are not enough links to warrant a navbox, one more link would have been enough so it's on the verge. However, my bigger issue is that Template:State Railway of Thailand Railway Stations is just horribly unhelpful. I would never even try and search for a link there. I'd clean it up and if it's still that large, split into lines. Gonnym (talk) 12:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Template:2025 British & Irish Lions itinerary

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  21:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC) No need for a template, was only being used on one page, templates will start to confuse things on the main article. LouisOrr27 (talk) 21:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 2025 British & Irish Lions itinerary
 * Delete - Can't see any reason to use a template for this. Unless the creator can suggest another article where it might be used, there's really no need for it. – PeeJay 21:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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FratChapter2 template set deletion

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  21:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities has agreed on a different standard for fraternity and sorority chapter lists that this template does not meet. Only the list for Phi Sigma Kappa, now at List of Phi Sigma Kappa chapters used it and that has been transformed. Other than myself, only two users have that template in their user pages and neither has edited in almost a decade. (Original author hasn't edited since 2008, but notified) Naraht (talk) 20:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * FratChapter2
 * FratChapterStart2
 * FratChapterEnd2
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete No reason to keep. NavjotSR (talk) 05:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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Template:2023–24 Premiership Rugby table

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  21:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC) There is no need for this to be in a template, all other premiership rugby articles exclude the template and this template was only used on the 2023–24 Premiership Rugby Page, also see Templates for discussion/Log/2024 May 8 as this was deleted once before. LouisOrr27 (talk) 14:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 2023–24 Premiership Rugby table
 * Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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