Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/Not deleted/January 2005

Template:Gundam Seed mobile weapons
Huge and redundant with List of Mobile Suits; no replies to a comment I left on its talk 4 days ago. Convert to Category:Gundam Seed mobile weapons (or the existing Category:Gundam weaponry Category:Gundam Mobile Suits). Mrwojo 20:27, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Keep. I say, that tempelate is rather large, but all the info in those pages seems accurate and informative. Merging it all into one big thread would require taking out all the info, which defeats the purpose of having the articles in the first place. This is an encylopedia, after all. I suggest splitting the suits up by Faction to clear space and havins sub tempelates for each faction in the correct pages, having all pages link to the master Gundam SEED/SEED destiny page. *SWE*
 * (Hope I did this right...) I personally think every article the template refers to should be merged together to: Mobile Weapons of the Cosmic Era. If the template is deleted, please add Category:Gundam Seed to every article. 132.205.94.241 02:53, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * That would make an extremely large and unwieldy article. Perhaps a group of consolidated articles might be appropriate, but one single article would not work very well. Iceberg3k 04:32, Jan 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * The articles contain too much fancruft, so can be pared down to fit in a single page. 132.205.15.43 04:40, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, "pared down" the point of being completely uninformative. 68.47.175.214
 * In that case, we should delete the entire article set. 132.205.95.68 21:47, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Why? Because you say so? 68.47.175.214
 * delete. huge and redundant--Jiang 09:31, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. 68.47.175.214
 * delete Pjacobi 20:27, 2005 Jan 19 (UTC)
 * Keep. It makes navigating the articles much easier. Redxiv 20:36, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems useful to me. Space Pirate Minagi 01:56, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I went through yesterday and cleaned out the duplicate links in the template, so that it only listed which faction originally produced the mobile suits rather than listing the stolen Gundams with both OMNI and ZAFT, etc. I figured that would be a good way to shrink it, but your idea's better. 68.47.175.214 08:58, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Snowspinner 01:30, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Canada-place-stub and Template:Ireland-place-stub
There are over a dozen geo-stub subcategories: US-geo-stub, UK-geo-stub, Australia-geo-stub... in fact all but two are in the form "Template:Foo-geo-stub". These two are the odd ones out. Suggest rename to Template:Canada-geo-stub and Template:Ireland-geo-stub. Grutness|hello? 00:13, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I like it the way it is. Keep Spinboy 02:47, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * any more objective reason than "I like it?" I mean, that's a fair enough comment, but it'd be good to have a more substantive argument. Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]]
 * The word place is more accurate than geo. A good example is "7 Rideau Gate." That's not a geographical area. It's a residence. Thus, place is more accurate. I'm just glad I won't be the one to have to put the new tag on more than 200 articles in the Canadian category already, or the Irish category. That's a lot of articles. Spinboy 18:33, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * No need to edit them all. We can instead set up place to redir to geo so those pages still work; and only put geo on Template messages/Stubs/By region. &mdash;msh210 02:28, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename. Neutralitytalk 03:38, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename to match other geo-stubs. BlankVerse 07:08, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * rename - but if Spinboy wants to put up a discussion to rename them all to xxxx-place-stub and change all the pages and fix all the links then (possibly after enlisting help from a bot?) I'll support changing all the geo-stubs since place is more exact and simple. Mozzerati 13:03, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)
 * Rename to match other geo-stubs. --Viriditas | Talk 06:35, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as is. Unnecessary standardisation. zoney &#09827; talk 10:34, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Everyone who is using them should know about the difference. Lectonar 14:32, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. There're more important things to work on. Write some articles for these stubs and there'll be no need for the templates at all. 350 Irish place stubs and 482 Canada ones to do. Get working people! Seabhcán 17:38, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Just create a redirect from either one to the other, and leave it at that. Don't delete, because there might be users who'll use them and get redlinks. Redundancy is good.  This is not what this page is for.  Dunc|&#9786; 21:22, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to ...-geo-stub, place excludes a lot more types of things than geo. --fvw *  21:38, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)

It's beginning to look like redirects are the best answer. Sorry to act like a newbie, but do you do them exactly the same way as with articles, or is there something more technical which needs to be done? Oh, and as for "more important things to do", cutting the 4200 unsorted geo-stubs down to a manageable level and putting them in subcategories where everyone can find them to work on more easily (which is what this is involved with) is important work. Grutness|hello? 22:44, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect from place-stub to geo-stub. Keep the template names consistent. RedWolf 04:59, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as is --Boothy443 09:45, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - it's okay as it is. Pete C 18:51, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect sounds like the best answer. I think we should keep some continuity. Lorddude 04:16, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename to ...geo-stub and redirect the non-standard name to that. jni 09:17, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

For those who say "Keep", perhaps an explanation is in order. I've been busily cutting down the generic geo-stubs by putting them in their sub-categories. There were an unmanageable number (4200), which I've now reduced to a less lunatic 1800. People are still using the generic, and part of the reason (according to the people I've asked), is that it's too difficult to remember the names of the possible subcategories. If all the names were consistent, much of this problem would disappear. Grutness|hello? 10:13, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone has created redirects so that both -place- and -geo- work (it wasn't me!). Hopefully that will keep everyone happy :) Grutness|hello? [[Image:Grutness.jpg|25px|]] 11:41, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Template:PD-USGov-USGS
The proper template to use is Template:PD-USGov-Interior-USGS. It was created by a user who (I believe) didn't check WP:ICT recently and assumed a different copyright-tag hierarchy from the one we have currently. grendel|khan 21:22, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Template:PD-USGov-Interior-USGS. --SPUI 01:16, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)