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24th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Karstjäger

 * This is the archived discussion of the TFAR nomination for the article below. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests). Please do not modify this page. 

The result was: scheduled for Today's featured article/August 15, 2016 by — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:57, 30 July 2016 (UTC)



The 24th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Karstjäger was a German mountain infantry division of the Waffen-SS during World War II. Formed on 18 July 1944 from the SS Volunteer Karstwehr Battalion, its nominal strength was never more than theoretical and the division was soon reduced to a brigade. Throughout its existence, it was primarily involved in fighting partisans in the Karst region on the frontiers of Yugoslavia, Italy, and Austria; the mountainous terrain required specialized mountain troops and equipment. Founded in 1942 as a company, the unit consisted mainly of Yugoslav Volksdeutsche and recruits from South Tyrol. Although primarily focused on anti-partisan operations, it also saw action in the wake of the Italian surrender when it moved to disarm Italian troops and protect ethnic German communities in Italy. At the end of the war it successfully fought to keep passes into Austria open, allowing German units to escape the Balkans and surrender to British forces. The remnants of the unit became some of the last Germans to lay down their arms when they surrendered to the British on 9 May 1945.
 * Most recent similar article(s): There has been no similar Milhist article (ie a German unit) since at least 1 February 2016
 * Main editors: User:Peacemaker67
 * Promoted: 19 October 2013
 * Reasons for nomination: has an equivalent article in 14 languages on WP
 * Support as nominator. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:04, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Coordinator note: I am disinclined to run this, it has already been a TFA, it is a relatively obscure military unit to be asking for a second bite at the cherry, and there are a number of military unit FAs which have not yet been TFAs at all. Further input to the discussion is welcome. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

24th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Karstjäger

 * This is the archived discussion of the TFAR nomination for the article below. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests). Please do not modify this page.

The result was: scheduled for Today's featured article/August 25, 2024  by Gog the Mild (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)



The 24th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Karstjäger was a German mountain infantry division of the Waffen-SS, the armed wing of the German Nazi Party that served alongside, but was never formally part of, the German armed forces during World War II. Formed on 18 July 1944 from a battalion, it was understrength and was soon reduced to a brigade. Its main task was fighting partisans on the rugged frontiers of Yugoslavia, Italy, and Austria, and it consisted mainly of ethnic Germans from Yugoslavia and Italy. It also disarmed Italian troops and protected ethnic German communities in Italy in the wake of the Italian surrender. Members of the division were implicated in the 25 August 1944 murder of 33 people in the village of Torlano near Nimis in Italy, and 22 other major crimes. At the post-war Nuremberg trials the Waffen-SS was declared to be a criminal organisation due to its major involvement in war crimes and crimes against humanity.
 * Most recent similar article(s): the last Waffen SS formation article to run was this article in 2016 AFAIK, the last one with an SS atrocity focus was The Holocaust in Greece in 2023.
 * Main editors: Peacemaker67
 * Promoted: October 19, 2013, first TFA run was August 15, 2016 (eight years ago)
 * Reasons for nomination: 80th anniversary of the Torlano massacre, this article has an equivalent in 16 languages, blurb is currently 986 characters
 * Support as nominator. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Coordinator note: I am disinclined to run this, it has already been a TFA, it is a relatively obscure military unit to be asking for a second bite at the cherry, and there are a number of military unit FAs which have not yet been TFAs at all. Further input to the discussion is welcome. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose There's just a lot of WW2 and military vessels for 24/25 since it's the 80th anniversary of 1944-1945. We should get a bit pickier with what to run, especially when there's many older articles that have not been featured. Harizotoh9 (talk) 04:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak support: This article covers a relatively under-discussed portion of WWII (the Italian theatre). That this is the 80th anniversary of a major crime the unit perpetrated is convincing. However, the concerns raised in the oppose and coordinator note both mitigate my appetite to see this run. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * G'day . I don't think having previously been a TFA can be a reason to decline a re-run? The reason I have nominated it is the war crime(s), on which there is not an article. I think it is a legitimate reason to re-run given it first ran eight years ago, and when it was TFA it was not on the basis of the war crime(s) it committed. As far as other military unit FAs that have not run yet, there aren't that many (17 by my count), and they are all Australian or UK units (both from subject areas more than well represented at TFA) or equally obscure US Civil War units. Very few German WWII units are FAs and even fewer Waffen SS ones, and they are both severely underrepresented at TFA, as evidenced by the fact the last one to run was this article. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)