Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Hrabri-class submarine

Hrabri-class submarine

 * This is the archived discussion of the TFAR nomination for the article below. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests). Please do not modify this page.

The result was: scheduled for Today's featured article/April 5, 2024  by - Dank (push to talk) 01:55, 15 February 2024 (UTC)



The Hrabri-class submarine consisted of two submarines built for the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (Yugoslavia from 1929). The first submarines to serve in the Royal Yugoslav Navy (KM), they arrived in Yugoslavia on 5 April 1928, and participated in cruises to Mediterranean ports prior to World War II. During the April 1941 Axis invasion of Yugoslavia, YUGOSLAV SUBMARINE Hrabri was captured by the Italians and later scrapped. YUGOSLAV SUBMARINE Nebojša escaped to Egypt to join the British Royal Navy (RN). She served as an anti-submarine warfare training boat and then as a battery charging station. In May 1942 her crew were removed and placed in a British military camp following a revolt by Yugoslav generals in exile, and she received an almost entirely RN crew. She was briefly utilised for training at Beirut, but was formally handed back to the KM-in-exile in mid-1943. After the war, she was transferred to the new Yugoslav Navy and renamed Tara. She was used in a training role until 1954, then scrapped.
 * Most recent similar article(s): Most recent Yugoslav ship TFA was December 15, 2023 Yugoslav torpedo boat T1
 * Main editors: Peacemaker67
 * Promoted: class article, August 30, 2022; Hrabri, November 19, 2019; Nebojša, October 31, 2015
 * Reasons for nomination: Both boats of the class arrived in Yugoslavia on April 5, 1928, so this is the anniversary. Also my first multiple nom for the same day.
 * Support as nominator. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Just noting that there is a free image used on all three articles in the infobox, but it is of poor quality. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)


 * , for this particular request for multiple articles to appear at TFA, I think it makes sense to add the following text to WP:TFAO (and I did so): "On April 5, 2024, Hrabri-class submarine will appear at TFA. Yugoslav submarine Hrabri and Yugoslav submarine Hrabri will also be bolded in the blurb, and those submarines will be described, but their talk pages will not list them as appearing at TFA." The logic is: it risks confusing the various bots to have multiple articles at TFA, and I don't see an upside in a case like this where we can say all we want to about the two submarines in the class without giving them official TFA status. The only downside I can see is that someone might run them in the future thinking they've never had a TFA appearance ... but that's what the notation at WP:TFAO is for, to prevent that. Does this work for everyone? - Dank (push to talk) 21:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Is this consistent with how we did it for the two Singapore MRT stations, which I guess is the most recent analog?--Wehwalt (talk) 22:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I doubt it, but my understanding is, when the 3 articles are a ship class and the two ships, we don't need a separate reason to write about the two ships in the class. - Dank (push to talk) 22:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, a bit confused. I thought this meant that they would all be considered having run as TFA. That isn't the case? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm also a bit confused. So the recently featured list would only have the article on the class? Again, I'm not sure I understand the difference between this and the MRT situation here.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:58, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * , I feel bad about coming to this realization late, so I'd like to offer a compromise, if this works for you. You added Stanley Price Weir to the pending page a while back. How about if we run him in April, on his birthday (the 23rd), as well as running Hrabri-class submarine on April 5? That would also give us two Anzac-related articles (along with Vance Drummond) on or around Anzac Day. - Dank (push to talk) 03:55, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with that Dan. I have been holding onto the three to run them together thinking that they would (all three) move from the non-TFA page to the TFA page as a result of one blurb run on April 5, but that appears to be a technical issue we don't have the capacity or technology to accommodate. If that is the case, then I'd be happy with the class article running on April 5 and SPW in April 23 if that won't put anyone out. Let me know and I'll rework the blurb. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:00, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, feel free, and sorry for not picking up on this sooner. - Dank (push to talk) 13:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Have tweaked, let me know if I need to trim (not sure what the character limit is without a pic). Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Dying, any thoughts on image and blurb length? File:Yugoslav submarine Hrabri.jpg is the image used in the article. The current length is 1047. - Dank (push to talk) 01:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * , i think the image looks fine, but wouldn't include it in the blurb if Peacemaker67 prefers to run the blurb without an image. also, i am not sure what the near-vertical line on the left side of the image is, but if it is an artifact (as opposed to something present in the scene that was captured by the camera), i assume that we can file a request at the graphics lab to smooth the image out without violating wp:imgcontent or mos:images.  if the blurb needs to be cut down to 1025 characters, i would recommend removing "(Yugoslavia from 1929)".  i don't think the parenthetical adds much to the blurb, and am worried that it may confuse readers since the sentence immediately following states that the submarines arrived in yugoslavia in 1928.by the way, main page image/TFA will, by default, resize this image to a width of 279 pixels, which may result in complaints at wp:errors from mobile users, so if this image is to be featured, i would recommend setting the width to 250 pixels, which seems to be a safe size.  (for example, the thumbnail in this blurb from last month had a width of 254 pixels.)  dying (talk) 20:59, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * PM, does the near-vertical line in the image represent some useful detail? Does it look like a camera artifact? - Dank (push to talk) 21:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I reckon it is a page fold. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll vote to include the image, but I agree that we need a request at the graphics lab to deal with the arti(e)fact. - Dank (push to talk) 23:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. - Dank (push to talk) 00:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)