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Political history of medieval Karnataka

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The result was: not scheduled by Gog the Mild (talk) 21:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)



The political history of medieval Karnataka spans the 4th–16th centuries CE in the Karnataka region of India. In the 4th century, the Kadamba Dynasty of Banavasi were the earliest of the native rulers to conduct administration in the Kannada language. In south Karnataka, the Western Gangas of Talakad were contemporaries of the Kadambas. These were followed by the Badami Chalukya Empire, the Rashtrakuta Empire, the Western Chalukya Empire, the Hoysala Empire and the Vijayanagara Empire, all patronising the Hindu religion while showing tolerance to the new cultures arriving from the west. The Muslim invasion of the Deccan resulted in the breaking away of the feudatory sultanates in the 14th century. The rule of the Bahamani Sultanate of Bidar and the Bijapur Sultanate caused a mingling of Hindu traditions with Islamic culture in the region. The fall of the Vijayanagara Empire in 1565 brought about a slow disintegration of Kannada-speaking regions into minor kingdoms that struggled to maintain autonomy.
 * Most recent similar article(s): Dispute between Darnhall and Vale Royal Abbey (12 May 2022)
 * Main editors: Dineshkannambadi
 * Promoted: June 4, 2007
 * Reasons for nomination: Marking India's national day
 * Support as nominator. Sheila1988 (talk) 21:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, although the blurb needs to shed 8 - or more - characters. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:54, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose, What does the medieval precolonial history of a region in India have to do with the Republic of India's independence from Great Britain in 1947?  Nothing whatsoever in my humble view.   Please find another date.  I want to propose Darjeeling instead, which is in the last stages of the FAR.  It was first featured in 2006, had a TFA appearance in 2009, was successfully FAR'd in 2010, and it is the last stages of its second FAR, for which it has been entirely re-written.  It has relevance to both the colonial history of India, being the paradigmatic example of a hill station, the summer mountain resort town of mature colonial rule in India, also the summer capital of the Bengal Presidency, and the still unfulfilled aspirations of the region's people for separate statehood.  It is no contest by any tenet of Wikipedia.  The Karnata article has had no FAR since it was promoted in 2007.  There is significant overlap with my FA Political history of Mysore and Coorg (1565–1760) (successfully FAR'd last year, but already made a TFA, and I'm not asking for a repeat for that). You can take a look at Darjeeling and see the difference.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  19:05, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * PS I have just realized that it was written by a (since retired WPian) who had a history (in my humble view) of boostering that region in dozens of articles. I don't think this medieval history article is at all reliable. Sorry.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  19:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Darjeeling

 * This is the archived discussion of the TFAR nomination for the article below. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests). Please do not modify this page.

The result was: scheduled for Today's featured article/August 15, 2022 by Gog the Mild (talk) 21:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC)



Darjeeling is a town in the Eastern Himalayas in India on the slopes below which Darjeeling tea is grown as far as the eye can see. Up those same slopes, ascending some 7,000 feet every day, the Darjeeling Himalayan Railway gives tourists the experience of late industrial-age steam travel. Both exist because in the early 19th century during East India Company rule in India, Darjeeling was self-consciously founded as a summer retreat for the British. Not just the cottages, the tea and the train, but residential schools for the children of domiciled British soon came to dot Darjeeling's hills. In order to make this possible, thousands of labourers were brought in from the surrounding kingdoms. Their descendants, who constitute the vast majority of Darjeeling's residents, have given the town a cosmopolitan ethnicity. In their many neighbourhoods which fringe the town at lesser heights and lower incomes, the Nepali language has found a home outside Nepal and the Tibetan language outside Tibet. Their goal for economic well-being and political identity is the unmade tryst with destiny that India self-consciously pondered on its first independence day this day 75 years ago.
 * Most recent similar article(s): I will have to rummage
 * Main editors: user:Dwaipayanc
 * Promoted: August 17, 2006
 * Reasons for nomination: Both Dwaipayanc and I have been working for eternity on this article's soon-to-be-completed second FAR. A TFA will emphasize, that FARs the refurbishing of vital content dreamed up by others, is as much a goal of WP as is the creation of new content, which in any case the refurbishment very much constitutes.
 * Support as nominator. Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  02:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment the blurb definitely needs improvement, as it reads like a tourism brochure (i.e. "grown as far as the eye can see", and essentially the entire last sentence). - Floydian τ ¢ 04:29, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support the article because it's more suitable than the one on Karnataka, oppose the blurb because it's terrible. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: this would be a TFA re-run. I suggest using its 2009 TFA blurb as a starting point, rather than this one. Article is still undergoing an FAR. Z1720 (talk) 00:13, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support over Karnataka as a better more general selection, on the condition that the blurb gets some work for tone, and it clears FAR in time. Hog Farm Talk 01:45, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks all for the comments. Touristy it certainly sounds now. I'm making adjustments for tone on User:Fowler&fowler/Darjeeling TFA2 subpage and have a version 2.  Please tell me how it sounds, either here or there, or have a go at it there.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  23:40, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , could you clarify which blurb is the one currently proposed? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Gog, It is the Proposed blurb for August 15, 2022 on the top. I'm not really up on what tone is appropriate for a TFA.  I think though that this is what the large number of scholarly sources of the last 13 years support. If you think it appears too critical or downbeat, please have a go at it.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  21:22, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ta. I have tweaked it a little. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Political history of medieval Karnataka


The political history of medieval Karnataka spans the 4th–16th centuries CE in the Karnataka region of India. In the 4th century, the Kadamba Dynasty of Banavasi were the earliest of the native rulers to conduct administration in the Kannada language. In south Karnataka, the Western Gangas of Talakad were contemporaries of the Kadambas. These were followed by the Badami Chalukya Empire, the Rashtrakuta Empire, the Western Chalukya Empire, the Hoysala Empire and the Vijayanagara Empire, all patronising the Hindu religion while showing tolerance to the new cultures arriving from the west. The Muslim invasion of the Deccan resulted in the breaking away of the feudatory sultanates in the 14th century. The rule of the Bahamani Sultanate of Bidar and the Bijapur Sultanate caused a mingling of Hindu traditions with Islamic culture in the region. The fall of the Vijayanagara Empire in 1565 brought about a slow disintegration of Kannada-speaking regions into minor kingdoms that struggled to maintain autonomy.
 * Most recent similar article(s): Western Chalukya Empire (2 May 2024)
 * Main editors: Dineshkannambadi
 * Promoted: June 4, 2007
 * Reasons for nomination: Forgotten about article from 2007. Dispute above is mostly about running it on the anniversary of Indian independence, which wasn't a good fit for a date.
 * Support as nominator. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We already have two articles in the same category lined up for July, so this will probably get pushed into August, but feel free to discuss it. I see there was some opposition to the previous TFAR nomination but I haven't looked at that closely. - Dank (push to talk) 22:00, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No rush, it could even be run in September. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm going to check with Gog, who will schedule August, to see what he recommends. - Dank (push to talk) 02:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)