Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 139

Image metadata, here v. Commons
I just moved File:Putter Green.jpg to Commons under the same filename because it was a simple process: PD-self claim and no hiccups. Moving it there, however, I observed that the metadata were a lot fuller (we have an image title, for example), and some of them appear to indicate a copyvio: for example, it's listed as being a work of The Augusta Chronicle, and through it I discovered that author Andrew Davis Tucker is a newspaper photographer who was with the Chronicle at the date of the photograph, not a Clemson golfer as suggested by the uploader's username.

Judging by the metadata I could see here, the image is fine, but judging by the metadata I could see at Commons, it's not. Why do files here display less metadata? Click the extended metadata link at the bottom of the filepage here, and the result is 37 metadata fields; click the extended metadata link at the bottom of the filepage at Commons for the same image, and the result is 55 metadata fields. Is there a way to adjust what metadata fields are displayed? If so, why don't we adjust it so that files display more fields? Nyttend (talk) 21:13, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I suspect there is a difference between how Wikipedia and Commons treat metadata information. There is this page and this page but they are the same so likely not. I'll dig further. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:29, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think those specific pages are relevant, since the names don't appear when you view with ?uselang=qqx. I've left a note at the Commons village pump asking people there to offer input here.  Nyttend (talk) 21:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It might be a "metadata.js" thing as described on Catalogue of CSS classes. Or in other words, a difference between site settings in Commons and Wikipedia. This might be the case for a Phabricator topic. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:01, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I wondered whether the displayed metadata is extracted at upload time or some other past time and depends on the MediaWiki software at the time so I uploaded an identical copy at File:Putter Green copy.jpg. It displays the same metadata as commons:File:Putter Green.jpg so that must be the explanation. File:Putter Green.jpg was uploaded in 2006 and displays less metadata. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:45, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Its an old file. Maybe the software didnt detect these metadata at that time (see mediawikiwiki:Manual:Image table). Try upload it to enwiki again. Christian75 (talk) 22:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I found mw:Manual:$wgUpdateCompatibleMetadata which is false by default and remains false in Wikimedia wikis. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Files get their metadata extracted when they are uploaded, or anytime someone does ?action=purge on the image description page. Support for IPTC metadata was added to MediaWiki as part of my GSOC project in 2010. Since this image was uploaded prior to that way back in 2006, it only has exif data extracted, not the other types of metadata. Uploading to commons allowed caused all the metadata we now support to be extracted. If one purges the image page here on enwikipedia, then the missing metadata should show up. Bawolff (talk) 20:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Right, I have purged File:Putter Green.jpg and it now displays the same as the others. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is coming
(Sorry for writing in English)

When using data from Wikidata on Wikipedia and other sister projects, there is currently a limitation in place that hinders some use cases: data can only be accessed from the corresponding item. So, for example, the Wikipedia article about Berlin can only get data from the Wikidata item about Berlin but not from the item about Germany. This had technical reasons. We are now removing this limitation. It is already done for many projects. Your project is one of the next ones. We will roll out this feature here on August 18.

We invite you to play around with this new feature if you are one of the people who have been waiting for this for a long time. If you have technical issues/questions with this you can come to d:Wikidata:Contact the development team.

A note of caution: Please be careful with how many items you use for a single page. If it is too many pages, loading might get slow. We will have to see how the feature behaves in production to see where we need to tweak and how.

How to use it, once it is enabled:
 * Parser function: to get the capital from the item about Germany
 * Lua: see mw:Extension:Wikibase Client/Lua

Cheers Lydia Pintscher MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Let's see if this works in two weeks: --Anders Feder (talk) 18:01, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hooray! I've been waiting for this for a long time. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 13:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Issue reported at Theodore Roosevelt
Hello technical folk,

User:Smykytyn reports: My guess is this is a user-side settings issue, but I'm passing on the message in case someone with better technical knowledge can take a look at the page to see if there's something there messing things up, or maybe can offer help to this user on how to get things working. Thanks. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:29, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This is due to the usage of stack begin/end templates, which cause the infobox to be in a single file column, instead of right floated. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 21:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Dabbing in a cathead navy patrol vessels template
Category:Patrol vessels of the Georgian Navy uses Template:Cathead navy patrol vessels. Is there any way to dab the link from Georgia to Georgia (country) but make it display as Georgia? DuncanHill (talk) 21:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you now? No. Could one after changing the template? Ostensibly. --Izno (talk) 00:18, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Can't leave edit summaries
I haven't been able to leave edit summaries or other fillable forms like section headers since July 31st. If I do it only registers random letters which I don't even see until I save. I am running Chrome OS 45 (beta). Mark Schierbecker (talk) 06:58, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a broken browser extension/addon or something. And you can always check if the stable version of Chrome works for you of course. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 07:18, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Black berry app is down
So https://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/105171/ seems to be the official Wikipedia app for BlackBerry. However I'm getting this error:


 * Unknown item
 * The requested item does not exist or is not available. (EC)

Please check it. I made a talk page entry on List of Wikipedia mobile applications yet nobody replied. Also I Help:Mobile access was notified of this in January 2014 yet nobody replied so far.

Not sure where else to report this. I now took the app off those articles.

--Fixuture (talk) 17:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * As you can see here: Help:Mobile_access, there is no longer and official supported BlackBerry application. There used to be one, but it was removed from the BlackBerry AppWorld store. Wherever you find that URL still listed, you are encouraged to remove it or at least mark it as no longer valid. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 21:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes it's not there anymore as I just removed it as written above. Note that the black berry app was still linked on both sites for at least 1,5 years after the first notice on the talk page about it being down. I guess it's not really problematic or anything but sometimes I'm really confounded by Wikipedia's organisation - one would expect there to be some major notice (a minor comment on some talk page to confirm it actually being down would have sufficed as well) somewhere about it being taken down / not being supported anymore with the developers themselves taking it off all articles the same day that it's not supported anymore... --Fixuture (talk) 18:09, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Content Translation scourge
I'm venting, but I've had it with fixing articles created with the Content Translation scourge

An example is this mess. Original article is here. Majority of the problems I've seen is contained in this article.
 * 1) Why does the scourge add wikilinks to dates on enwiki?
 * 2) Why does it not always translate dates?  The above article translated 2009년 3월 to 2009년 3월 . Others do 12 de noviembre de 2014 to 12 de noviembre de 2014.
 * 3) Why does it add random [[ ?
 * 4) Why does it add random wikilinks?
 * 5) Why does it add color in random spots that the original doesn't have?
 * 6) Why does it add random    ?
 * 7) Why does it add random span tags around text, especially if the text was in a template on the original article? For example,  1995 April 12  (20)
 * 8) Why does it screw up tables.  I'm not talking about the copious id="666" tags, but messing things up.  For example in this section, everywhere there was a blank cell, it droped the cell.  Instead of a blank cell where the person was born, they now ended up being born on Protoss or Zerg.  It can't handle blank cells.
 * 9) Why does it not translate a cite template correctly?  Atleast I know what "titel", "autor" and "título" means, but not Content Translation tool. Another example.
 * 10) Why does it translate somethings in a list/table/section, but not others?
 * 11) Report a problem to Content Translation and they say to report it to Parsoid.  Content Translation uses Parsoid.  Parsoid says it is fixed, but Content Translation uses a different version of Parsoid.
 * 12) Content Translation uses Apertium for translating.  It doesn't support Japanese, Korean and many others.  According to the Apertium's wikipage, only 7 languages can be translated to English.  This probably explain why the above article was only half way translated.
 * 13) Majority of people using Content Translation don't cleanup the mess.

Anyone want to cleanup, little alone understand 2nd generation Intel core global StarCraft II league March? Bgwhite (talk) 23:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Then nominate the articles for deletion like we always do with bad quality stuff. It's a tool, not pixie dust. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 07:21, 5 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Try mw:Talk:Content translation. Eman 235 / talk  15:13, 5 August 2015 (UTC)


 * May also be good to get the thoughts of the person who created these two articles, . &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 19:35, 5 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Not sure what all these weird happenings are- I just try to translate the text, and nothing else. - K u r o u s a g i  23:38, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Something I can also add is that the highlighting happens automatically for some reason. The partly translated problem was because I'm still trying to translate the names for various leagues and such using outside sources. - K u r o u s a g i  23:42, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks like only the first revision was done with Content Translation, and the rest was done by hand. Judging from this diff, we have Dab Solver to thank for the colours. Some things, like the table cell problem, look to be bugs in Content Translation, but others, like the Mr. Stradivarius ' ♪ talk ♪ 02:45, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Things that are totally messed up are getting deleted. The above article was just one example of the crap this produces.  Dab Solver has nothing to do with some of the random colours.  How can a sentences in a plain paragraph be translated to have it's background go red?  Majority of people using the tool are not fixing the issues or they don't know how too.  Other people on French Wikipedia want it disabled. Bgwhite (talk) 07:06, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I have no idea of the highlights other than the fact that it 'temporarily' highlights text when copying over from one side of the Content Translation tool. And yes, the machine translation was supposedly 'unavailable'. - K u r o u s a g i  10:36, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Image properly rotated and not properly rotated
What's going on with File:La Grange Civil War monument.jpg? When I view it in IE11, I get different results at different resolutions — at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:La_Grange_Civil_War_monument.jpg it's properly upright, but at https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/La_Grange_Civil_War_monument.jpg (what I get when I click the image), it's sideways. Nyttend (talk) 00:08, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


 * https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/La_Grange_Civil_War_monument.jpg (wikilink [[Media:La Grange Civil War monument.jpg]]) is the actual file that was uploaded. The result of viewing it depends on the used software. I see it sideways in IE9 and upright in Firefox 39.0. If you click "Show extended details" at File:La Grange Civil War monument.jpg then it says "Rotated 90° CCW". The photographer probably rotated the camera due to the height to width ratio, and the camera or the photographer registered this in the metadata. When the image is scaled by our servers, they register the metadata says rotated and they rotate it back before sending it to your browser, so the result no longer depends on the browser. The only way to display the original [[Media:La Grange Civil War monument.jpg]] right in all browsers is to download it, rotate it with some software, and upload the new version. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Weird. I wonder how the camera rotated it (I'm the photographer), because I didn't tell it to do any rotation.  I'll file a WP:GL request.  Nyttend (talk) 00:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If you haven't cropped the photo them I'm fairly certain you tilted the camera 90° when you took the photo. The camera must have a way to detect this. The Commons file page commons:File:La Grange Civil War monument.jpg has a "request rotation" link. I haven't tried clicking such links. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I rotated the camera 90°, indeed, but I routinely do this when getting images of taller subjects. I don't remember encountering this situation before, although now to my surprise I'm finding that the same is true of File:Main across from courthouse, Jackson.jpg, and File:Emporium First UMC.jpg from some months ago, and even File:Pauley Bridge pier.jpg from when the camera was really new for me.  I haven't a clue how to disable this...Nyttend (talk) 00:44, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The "request rotation" link (which doesn't appear on all image types) fires a JavaScript thing (see c:Help:RotateLink) which displays a dialog; when you pick an angle (e.g. 90°) and click, it does this, which displays a message and puts the image in c:Category:Images requiring rotation by bot, for to notice and act on. So if you don't have JavaScript (or don't like dialog boxes) it's very easy to do it manually; and it's also easy to undo if you change your mind. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:59, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Taking a cursory look at the Exif specification, I can't even decide whether it is a bug in the camera or our server. The tag allows one to express how the image is "oriented", but crucially leaves it an open question at which orientation one would normally want to display the image.--Anders Feder (talk) 01:23, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I can't view or access the large-size version, but I can access the "original", which downloads to my PC is being rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Module:OSM
Hi,

I created a module to link to objects on Openstreetmap and visualise them. To accomplish this a few conditions have to be met:


 * the OSM object needs wikidata tag(s)
 * Overpass API needs to be able to retrieve them
 * Turbo Overpass is needed to show them on a dynamic map
 * somebody had to write some Lua code to glue it all together

So I did. You can see the result in the Leuven article. Hopefully this is useful to link to geographical objects.--Polyglot (talk) 23:35, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I guess it's kind of cool, but...


 * 1) the link has no text associated with it
 * 2) when I click on it, I get a mostly grayed out page with no indication that anything is happening
 * 3) eventually I get a warning about large amounts of data
 * 4) when the map does show up, it's a world map with a bunch of red circles and no obvious information
 * 5) clicking on a circle brings up some OSM metadata that is not immediately useful
 * 6) clicking on some random number finally zooms in to the street
 * So I like it but the UI is not obvious. Kendall-K1 (talk) 01:16, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Help with css
Is there a way to turn links to dab pages a different color, say orange? (blue, red, and green have already been taken.) Eman 235 / talk  04:18, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Dab pages do not cause MediaWiki to emit special HTML, so without Javascript loading every link on a particular page to check whether that page is a dab, the answer is no. Such Javascript would probably be fairly expensive, so I don't think that's an option either. So, probably not regardless. Popups, which loads a page dynamically as you browse over the page, would probably be the best solution to your probable need. --Izno (talk) 04:27, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * They do, actually; links to dab pages have the  class for me when logged out. Unlike the   class added by Anomie's linkclassifier linked below,   is not applied to links to redirects to dab pages (such as Abc), so the script does do a better job at marking dab links. SiBr4 (talk) 09:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Your best bet would be to use User:Anomie/linkclassifier with custom css  - NQ  (talk)  04:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Dude. Everything is technicolor. But it seems to work, thanks. Eman 235 / talk  14:58, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Help_desk/Archives/2015_August_2
Hi, is there any tool or why to do this again?--ԱշոտՏՆՂ (talk) 06:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

What's wrong with this article and its link on Wikidata?
Hello,

Article London and Paris Conferences is linked to a Wikidata item (Q450503), but this item and the attached interwiki links do not seem to appear on the page of the article, as they should. I looked at case, changed browser and other obvious answers, and found no reason for this behaviour. Any idea? Place Clichy (talk) 14:05, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I purged the en.wp page and that fixed it. --Izno (talk) 14:12, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Place Clichy (talk) 14:15, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Blank thumbnail with upright
Would anybody have any idea why  produces a blank thumbnail with the example below? Alakzi (talk) 12:57, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Silly me, I'm using a 300px default, so  should be 230px for everybody else (on the right). Alakzi (talk) 13:11, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Whatever, this works for me (but is not wanted, right?)

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


 * It's blank because Mediawiki fails to render the SVG (upright is irrelevant here).  20:09, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It used to be that it would render it at some sizes. I supposed the cache has been cleared. Alakzi (talk) 22:54, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Why are only my mobile web edits ever tagged as mobile edits?
Even my edits right now are mobile edits, but they are only tagged as mobile edits when I make them using the mobile version of the website. What's the problem here? Dustin ( talk ) 17:42, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure if there is a problem. Have you run into a use case where it was problematic that edits made with the desktop site from a mobile device was not tagged as a mobile edit?--Anders Feder (talk) 19:13, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What is the point of a tag if it doesn't work properly? Dustin  ( talk ) 20:16, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What leads you to conclude that the function is not "proper"? The point of the tags is filtering and analytics.--Anders Feder (talk) 20:38, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it works as intended as far as I know. The mobile version works differently and displays some things differently or not at all. When evaluating edits it can be helpful to know they were made with the mobile version. When discussing with a user it can be helpful to know what they see (it's certainly very helpful at the help desks where I answer questions). The developers may use it to investigate software issues. If a user edits with the desktop version then I don't see good reason to know whether they did it on a mobile device. If a user edits with the mobile version on a desktop computer then the edit is tagged with mobile and that makes sense to me. Special:Tags displays MediaWiki:Tag-mobile edit-description for "Mobile edit", and MediaWiki:Tag-mobile web edit-description for "Mobile web edit". [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Tag-mobile_edit-description&diff=581943592&oldid=520814715 This] change seems wrong but the former version was also inaccurate. The default "Edit made from mobile (web or app)" should probably be restored. I think "Mobile edit" is for all edits with either the mobile version or some app, while "Mobile web edit" is only for the mobile version, and "Mobile app edit" is only for apps. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:05, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a more complicated tag than I originally though, isn't it? In any case, thanks for the in-depth response. Dustin  ( talk ) 02:02, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

PrimeHunter's explanation is exactly correct. Thanks! --Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 23:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Rendering of Bold and Italic in Chrome and Firefox Browsers
I run Chrome and Firefox in Windows 7. I noticed that Chrome browser does not render BOLD text as bold - it looks like normal. And that ITALICS render as boldish text. In Firefox, text looks as expected. Please repeat the experiment and report your results. I have reported the bug to Phabricator. They want more info. Thanks Codwiki (talk) 15:05, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Works fine for me in both browsers and IE. Eman 235 / talk  15:24, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Win7 Chrome OK. 2601:601:0:25:9C04:C9A2:64CB:125C (talk) 16:45, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


 * If Chrome behaves differently, then your Chrome installation is faulty. It may have different fonts set (with no proper bold), or your cache simply needs clearing. Go to More Tools > Clear Browsing Data. Chrome is known to show glitches when its cache is full.  20:17, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks User:Edokter  It was font settings - the standard font setting was Segoe UI semi-bold and I guess bolding semi-bold does strange things. Codwiki (talk) 03:22, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

CSS misbehaving
Just for documentation, if this turns out not to be a real problem, I looked at a history today and every time there was a place to undo another person's edits, there was a "Thank". I also went to a diff and the added information did not show up in green which makes it easier for me to identify what's different. Eventually, a diff did change to green.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:26, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Surely there normally is a "thank" link? -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:24, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's now part of Wikipedia layout, you can now thank other editors for an edit they made. Showing appreciation to others it's a good point in my point of view. Cheers, Friendly Seven (talk) 10:28, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't explain it, but I'm happier without it. I just thank people the regular way. Seeing it with every "undo" is just annoying. I found out to change my CSS so I don't see it.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  15:24, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The green and yellow were slow to come up for me today. Maybe it's just my slow Internet.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  19:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If by "green and yellow" you mean the "" gadget, I made mine one heckuvalot quicker by turning it off at, and doing this instead. Your equivalent page would be m:User:Vchimpanzee/global.css. Another benefit is that the gadget is then operative everywhere - commons, French Wikipedia, Wiktionary, etc. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:10, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's normally fast enough, but thanks. And I really do need those colors.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought the yellow and green was CSS, but it's gadgets.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:28, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It is a gadget. There are three kinds of gadget: those that use both JavaScript and CSS; those that are purely JavaScript; and those that are purely CSS. OldDiff is one of the purely CSS ones. All purely CSS gadgets can be enabled in either of two ways: by marking the checkbox at or by adding a suitable   rule to your CSS file; but don't do both or you'll get two copies. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I knew at one time how to get to my CSS, but I've forgotten. By the way, below I ask about hatnotes and links to main articles which are disappearing. I don't know whether this is somehow related, but no one has answered. I'm leaving for the day.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:12, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , first box. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:37, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Firefox mixed content warning
If I access WP through Firefox I keep getting mixed content warnings that some of the content isn't encrypted. I don't get the same warnings using Chrome or IE. Nthep (talk) 17:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Nthep/common.js you are including something over http from the russian wikipedia. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 17:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, changing it to https seems to have sorted it. Nthep (talk) 18:01, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

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Reverting category moves
The category Category:FC Astana players was moved to Category:Astana F.C. players by ChelseaFunNumberOne. The move was then reverted by GiantSnowman, but Category:FC Astana players must be deleted first. Category moves should be able to be reverted without having to first delete the soft redirected category as long as it has only revision in its history (like reverting any other move). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:33, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There is a significant difference by moving categories. The remaining page will contain the Category redirect template instead of the usual content of redirects. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, the default MediaWiki behaviour is to automatically make a normal redirect to the new name when a category or other page is moved. A page can only be moved back to the old name by a non-admin if the only edit in its page history is this redirect. But the English Wikipedia has a feature for category moves where the English Wikipedia template Category redirect is added to the page instead of making it a redirect. A side effect of this is that the category cannot be moved back by a non-admin. It's rarely relevant and doesn't seem worth bugging developers about. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:06, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The content of the old category page is determined by MediaWiki:Category-move-redirect-override. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:10, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Functional issue
Hi everyone, this is Dawnseeker2000, and I'm having trouble using my account the way that I'm familiar. I use a few devices to edit, including a laptop, a desktop, and some mobile devices, but I always use Desktop View across the board. The last normal (and non semi-automated) edit that I made using Desktop View was about 24 hours ago.


 * 16:42, 6 August 2015 (diff | hist) . . (-15)‎ . . Playa del Carmen ‎ (Undid revision 674848928 by 38.67.7.155 (talk) – Notability not established) (current)

I've been able to make several AWB edits in the same period, but I've been unable to use the normal browser-based interface in Desktop View because of a symptom that looks like a WYCIWYG (What You Cache Is What You Get) problem that Firefox users have reported seeing on occasion. I'm primarily a Firefox user on a Windows 10 desktop PC but also use a Windows 7 laptop, a couple of Android devices, a Chromebook, and an iPad. The symptom is this: "I log in to Wikipedia on any browser or device, and the page (article, watchlist, anything) displays for a second, then the screen shows nothing but a white background, and the page continues to try to load indefinitely. If I load the 1992 Cape Mendocino earthquakes article in a tab, I get the white screen. If I then try to load the same page again, Firefox is kind enough to tell me that the page is open in another tab, and it includes the URL: wyciwyg://(number)/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Cape_Mendocino_earthquakes."

The suggestions for this problem are to clear the browser's cache, disable all add-ons, or to use Firefox's Safe Mode. I hoped for the best and tried these suggested fixes, but haven't seen any improvement, and on top of that, I'm seeing the same symptom across all platforms, operating systems, and browsers that I'm using. I'm able to edit on the mobile devices only while using Mobile View only and I'm stumped on how to be able to return to normal editing. It just seems so unlikely to have the same symptom across so many devices:


 * Windows 10 PC
 * Firefox 39.0.3
 * Chrome 44.0.2403.130
 * Microsoft Edge 20.10240.16384.0


 * Windows 7 PC
 * Chrome 44.0.2403.130
 * Firefox 39.0.3


 * Samsung Galaxy S5 (Android 5.0.0)
 * Firefox 39
 * Chrome 44.0.2403.133


 * Samsung Galaxy Tab (Android 4.4.2)
 * Chrome 44.0.2403.133


 * Dell Chromebook 11
 * Chrome 43.0.2357.134


 * Apple iPad
 * Chrome 40.0.2214.73

I made several test accounts, and each works fine using Desktop View on the mobile devices (desktop and laptop editing is also normal) so that tells me that this is not a workstation issue. Has this behavior been seen before or are there any ideas on which way to go from here? I definitely want to keep my contribution history, but I'm not against changing my username, if it turns out that that is the only way to go. Dawnseeker2000 23:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The standard recommendation here is to completely empty your Special:MyPage/common.js, Special:MyPage/vector.js, and Special:MyPage/monobook.js pages. In my experience, that tends to fix random issues like this, and tells you that it's due to a malfunctioning user script. Let me know if that works. --Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 23:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dan, clearing out the monobook.js did the trick. Dawnseeker2000  00:04, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've checked with one of our performance engineers and he's confirmed the source of the issue was what I suspected. I filed T108423 to track the work to implement a fix. Happy editing! --Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 01:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've looked at User:Dawnseeker2000/monobook.js, and the obviously-problematic code in is this:  because of that  . You might be able to restore everything apart from those lines. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:34, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the detail, Redrose. What's funny about this is situation is that each time I added something to that page, I was always careful to leave a complete edit summary detailing which new tool I was experimenting with, except the once instance where I added that code. So aside from not knowing which one that was, all functionality has been restored, and I did add back a couple of tools that haven't been merged into the gadgets area of preferences. Thanks again for looking at this, Dawnseeker2000  15:00, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Its purpose is to add one HTML element to every Wikipedia page:  which in turn loads User:Lightdarkness/aiv.js when you visit any Wikipedia page. What that script does, I don't know, except that it concerns Administrator intervention against vandalism. I would suggest asking, but they've made  in the last three weeks (and nothing in the preceding four and a half years). -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:27, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Strange global login behavior and bugs with Gecko based browsers
Beginning yesterday I have been having very frustrating problems relating to global or single-user login across Wikimedia sister projects. For example, on the latest attempt, logging in via Wikipedia logs me into most sister projects, but not Wikisource and Commons and a few odd others like the test Wikipedias and a couple random Wikimedia sites. Logging in via login.wikimedia.org logs me into Commons but none of the rest. Similar problems affect logging out. I could log out of Wikipedia and still be logged in and able to access preferences and everything else in Wikiquote. I have tried clearing my cache and clearing cookies, and this doesn't help. I've tried creating a new profile in Firefox, and this doesn't help. I've tried using Seamonkey, and this doesn't help. Chrome seems to work fine with global login. djr13 (talk) 16:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Bug filed here. Ironholds (talk) 16:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There's a thread at Administrators' noticeboard/Archive273 (started by ) on what appears to be a similar matter. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:29, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For reference, I have not so far had any error messages as the user in that thread reported. Of course it's possible it could be related somehow. djr13 (talk) 16:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to note I confirmed this with latest stable Firefox:
 * signed into Wikipedia and noticed I wasn't signed into any other project;
 * signed in on Wiktionary and found I was logged into Commons, Meta, and Wikidata;
 * signed out on Wikipedia, and found I wasn't signed out of any other project;
 * signed out on Wiktionary, and found I was signed out of all projects
 * I couldn't reproduce with Chrome. Logging into and out of Wikipedia logged me in and out of all the other projects. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:34, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Djr13 and Consumed Crustacean, could you try again and see if the issues are still happening? I think they should be fixed now. Legoktm (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Appears to work so far. Successfully went to some of the sister projects that worked before with no issue. When I went to Wikisource the notice that I am now centrally logged on and need to refresh appeared, after which I was logged on as normal on all the rest of the sister projects I continued to try. I'll check back here if I have any further issues including spontaneous logouts. djr13 (talk) 23:29, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem is back again. I was being randomly logged out, and this happened a few times which I temporarily excused as possibly due to in-progress attempts to fix the issue. However, just now I logged back into Wikipedia to find myself still not logged into Commons. djr13 (talk) 16:38, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I use Firefox 39, and over the last few hours, up to about a minute ago, I've noticed that I keep getting spontaneously logged out (entirely within Wikipedia), typically when I go to preview or save an edit. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:50, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm also experiencing spontaneous logouts. I'm using Iceweasel 24.4.0 (a Debianized version of Firefox). My current connection also seems to be losing packets (apparently network congestion), though this has not previously affected my WP logins. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 21:55, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Firefox have just sent out an update, raising the version from 39.0 to 39.0.3, maybe it's related. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:42, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Or maybe it's the fix. Akld guy (talk) 01:41, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's what I meant... I can't have been too clear -- Red rose64 (talk) 08:21, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it's just a security update for a PDF-related exploit found in the wild. djr13 (talk) 16:38, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A day later, I'm no longer having that problem. I got that update in the interim, but I'm guessing that's a coincidence. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:21, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Login error
 * I use the latest stable Google Chrome 44 and I had the problems that Redrose64 mentioned above. Before having those problems, Commons recognized my account and I was able to upload an image from German wikipedia, then few hours later I wasn't logged in automatically and whenever I tried to log in, it gave me always the output message:

Incorrect password or confirmation code entered. Please try again.
 * Even at Wiktionary I had the same problem. I tried Google Chrome 44 and Firefox 39 on Android 5.1.1 (Google Nexus 9), Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome 44 on Windows 10, and I had the same problem. Now it does automatically log me in and it doesn't output the password error when trying to log in, maybe because I did a password reset within 30 min ago. I will write back if the issue happens again. Cheers (and thank you Redrose64), Friendly Seven (talk) 10:21, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Delete a script page
How do I delete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iady391/monobook.js --Iady391 &#124; Talk to me here 15:35, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You need to ask an administrator. You'd have to ask on the Administrators' noticeboard. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:45, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Iady391 &#124; Talk to me here 15:46, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What you did there is correct, even if MediaWiki doesn't parse the page as usual (see e.g. T70757). Helder 15:55, 8 August 2015 (UTC). Thanks.


 * ✅ by Deor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iady391 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For future ref: what did was to add the line   to the page. This works on JavaScript (and CSS) pages; it's documented at  and also at . -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:40, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Disable Global Javascript on one wiki?
Is anyone aware of a way to disable the global.js page on certain wikis? Avicennasis @ 06:16, 24 Av 5775 / 06:16, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See mw:Help:Extension:GlobalCssJs.--Anders Feder (talk) 06:23, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And here I was scouring Meta for it, since that's where the global page is, but never thought to check Mediawiki. Thanks! Avicennasis @ 06:35, 24 Av 5775 / 06:35, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The edit pages for global css and js display meta:MediaWiki:globalcssjs-warning-css and meta:MediaWiki:globalcssjs-warning-js. The MediaWiki defaults are currently used. Maybe meta should create versions with a link to mw:Help:Extension:GlobalCssJs. The text could also say "all Wikimedia wikis" instead of just "all wikis". PrimeHunter (talk) 12:53, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See also: T108516 (Add page indicator with help link to m:Special:MyPage/global.js). Helder 13:18, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

"Page" tab
From today certain tabs, such as History, are rolled into one tab called Page. Is this something I have done by adding or removing scripts, or changing my preferences, or is this a site development? If it is a site development, is there a script which would allow me to have History, Protect and Watch tabs showing all the time, as I use them a fair amount. In particular, I use History very frequently. It is probably my most used function.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  09:04, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. Found it. It was a box I must have ticked in Preferences.  SilkTork  ✔Tea time  09:12, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you have the monobook skin installed. Uncheck "Add Page and User dropdown menus to the toolbar with links to common tasks, analytic tools and logs" in Special:Preferences under Appearance. - NQ (talk)  09:14, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

zh.wiki needs some help about google indexing
Currently, Google is unexpectedly indexing /zh/ language variant URLs instead of /wiki/ links for wikipedia.

A quick example is: https://www.google.com/#q=汉语

As you can see, the first link's URL is https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh/汉语. But if you open it and check its source, it says

So since the "canonical" version is /wiki/ links, Google should follow and index it instead. But at the moment it's not for some reasons.

The most weird part is, if you search with "site:wikipedia.org": https://www.google.com/#q=汉语+site:wikipedia.org

Almost all the links in the first page suddenly became /wiki/ links (correct behavior).

The problem of /zh/ links is that they ignore user's language variant settings. I need to manually change to /zh-cn/ or /zh-tw/ variants after clicking a link from Google (which is a very common scenario). For /wiki/ links, they would automatically jump to the variants according to user's' preference.

It has been like this for months if not years. I have no idea if it's on Google or Wikipedia. I asked several times on zh.wiki but none takes responsibility or has the ability to fix it. There is some discussion on T54429 but please notice this ticket itself it actually irrelevant with this bug.--fireattack (talk) 10:29, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I reported it to T108443.--fireattack (talk) 22:03, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Where is VeblenBot's code?
I'm quite active in the peer review community and I'd like to propose some changes to the bot. I've been given permission from, who currently manages the bot in behalf of (currently inactive). However I'm having some trouble finding where the code actually is. Any of the links provided on the user page or toolserver turn up dead ends. Where is the actual page with the code contained? I would be very grateful for a response, as when I have access to the code I can then propose specific changes for discussion. Cheers, --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:30, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I replied to this on Bot owners' noticeboard. —  Earwig   talk 02:25, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Block lengths
When I block someone for a month, how long is the block? 2,678,400 seconds (86400 seconds, i.e. one day, x31), or 2,592,000 seconds (86400 x30), or 2,628,000 seconds (86400 seconds x 365 [days in a year] / 12, i.e. one-twelfth of a year), or however many seconds it takes to ensure that the block will expire at the same time on the same day of next month? Or is it something else? Nyttend (talk) 04:20, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, it is based on the length of months that the duration pass through. So if you instigate a one-month block today, it will be 31 days long because the length of August is 31 days. If you instigate a one-month block in September, it will be 30 days long because the length of September is 30 days, etc.--Anders Feder (talk) 05:00, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) The function that parses expiry time input uses PHP's strtotime function, so the answer to your question would be "Whatever strtotime says your input means". A quick script I wrote seems to indicate that strtotime tends to interpret "1 month" to mean "one calendar month". --Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 05:02, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Successkid.jpg. Beat WMF by 2 minutes.--Anders Feder (talk) 05:07, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If only I'd not spent so long trying to format my silly PHP example so nicely, eh? ;-) --Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 05:55, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Template:Chart displaying issue
Hi. I have an issue with the way that template:chart family trees are displaying the last (vertical) lines. As you can see, in the the examples posted here, the last line(s) are not perpendicular on the middle of the boxes, instead, they are at the edge of them. But this happens only on the last columns. I tried to align the boxes in a lots of ways, but without success. Does anyone know how to fix this problem. I have some experience in working with tree charts and I suspect that it is a Template:Chart technical issue. But I'm not sure. Thank you --Daduxing (talk) 20:26, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Does [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Daduxing/sandbox/BadExemple&diff=675321591&oldid=675316117] do what you want? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:20, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much PrimeHunter. I'm using familytree.js script, and I concluded that after switching from the script (Art) to Template, that line  is dissapearing. In fact, from the start, the script is not adding it at all, and therefore the indesirable displaying. --Daduxing (talk) 06:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

The Sajax library will be removed from MediaWiki next week
I've just found out from T55120 that the Sajax JavaScript library will be removed from MediaWiki next week (12 August for non-Wikipedias and 13 August for Wikipedias). This means that all of the 739 scripts that use it, 451 of which are on this wiki, are going to break. Most of those are not important, but I am sure that quite a few of them are still in use. I've made a list of all the affected scripts at User:Mr. Stradivarius/Scripts using Sajax. Now would be a good time to have a look through them and determine the ones that we need to prioritise fixing. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 05:20, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Good riddance, I say! Sajax should have been killed off years ago.
 * It's great that you've prepared this list. Do you think it would be worth sending a mass message to all the concerned users?
 * Also, would you object if I sorted the list? It would make it a little more useful to identify users with several affected scripts in their userspace. — This, that and the other (talk) 09:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, it would definitely be worth a mass-message. Let me prepare it - with some module coding we should be able to make a personalised message for all the affected users, on all wikis, in one shot. And yes, feel free to sort the list however you want, and especially to remove false positives or scripts that have been fixed. :) I've done a preliminary sort, but if that's not what you were looking for, feel free to tweak it. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 13:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's pretty late here now, so mass-messaging will have to wait until tomorrow. If anyone wants to write a message in the meantime, be my guest. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 15:49, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Another thing that is coming, is that you can no longer use document.write to load a script. See also T107399 and T108139. The fallback will try to asynchronously append to the end of the document, but if your script/gadget after 7 years of deprecation, still requires synchronous execution, then expect it to break. For the rest of us, we get faster page rendering !!! —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 11:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I was going to put this in the mass message as well, but it looks like I'll have to update my searcher script to use the API timeout properly, as on this wiki alone I get 11,447 hits. This really worries me - did no-one at the WMF think to check how many users would be affected by this change? — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 13:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm. If Jimbo is still using Monobook at all, then his scripts are going to be broken too... — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 14:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm really hoping there's a non-Sajax script for closing featured picture candidates. The ones I know about require it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:14, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ...Oh, dear: this appears to break WP:TWINKLE. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:20, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Twinkle shouldn't be affected: the only gadgets affected by the removal of Sajax are MediaWiki:RefToolbarLegacy.js and MediaWiki:Gadget-dropdown-menus-nonvector.js. If people have old copies of Twinkle around that use Sajax, then they would stop working, however. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 14:27, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably not, but the ones that require it can be updated. Fixing a script to stop it depending on Sajax isn't hard, but it's also not a no-brainer, so it will require us to prioritise what should be fixed. Scripts like the ones you mention will be high up the list - which ones are they? — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 14:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Adam_Cuerden/closeFPC.js (I'm not that good at Javascript, I should say: I just made a small change to fix some rearrangements of the Featured pictures system), and whichever of the many results for twinkle in User:Mr._Stradivarius/Scripts_using_Sajax are part of the core gadget are big ones, I'd say. There may be others. There is no alternative for FPC closure besides reinstituting a manual process that, as I remember, took about 15-30 minutes per closure. I'm trying to arrange a few weeks' grace. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:27, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * None of those search results are part of the main Twinkle gadget - the main script is at Mediawiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js, and you can find the others at Special:PrefixIndex/Mediawiki:Gadget-twinkle. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 15:49, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Navigation popups is not on the list of broken scripts, but it appears to be broken on my end. Dunno if it is related to this issue or not, just wanted to bring it up in case it is. --I am  k6ka  Talk to me!   See what I have done  00:54, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * K6ka@undefined see [[Wikipedia talk:Tools/Navigation popups for the current failure of popups. DuncanHill (talk) 01:34, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Assorted changes mentioned and unmentioned above, have resulted in a measurable performance improvement of 500ms for every page view and every single user: F679897. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 06:27, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a great goal, and it's to be applauded. However, how many thousands of people's scripts have we had to break to get there? Do we even know? We didn't know how many scripts were using Sajax until after its removal was approved, and as far as I can tell we have no idea who's actually using them. — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 14:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Honestly, this is getting very typical of the coders. They don't think they need to announce things. I stumbled upon this by accident, and learned that the featured picture candidates closing tool is going to break in less than a week. And I have no idea how to fix it, or even how to get it fixed. Because these things don't need announced? Would it really have been technically impossible, two months ago, to notify anyone using a sajax script? It doesn't seem to have been that hard to locate them... Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:53, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It was announced many years ago that the library would be removed.--Anders Feder (talk) 19:22, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It was certainly announced some years ago that  and   would cease to be supported, although I don't recall an actual date being given. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:37, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Really? It was announced how? Banner message? Talk page message to users of invalid scripts? Or something that hardly counts as an announcement, like a listserv with fewer subscribers than the numbers affected? I suspect the latter. Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:22, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Banner message - not that I recall. Talk page message to users of invalid scripts - possibly, but none were sent to me (so I guess all of the scripts that I use (which were all written by others) are unaffected). Listserv - possibly, but I don't subscribe to these. No, where I saw it was right here on this page; for instance Village pump (technical)/Archive 97, including the comment by of 09:50, 1 March 2012. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:21, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No matter where they announce it, there will always be someone like yourself who is offended that they didn't send out an expedition to track down his treetop abode in Hlatikhulu Forest and deliver it as a singing telegram.--Anders Feder (talk) 09:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The thing is that you shouldn't HAVE to care, because like you said, you wouldn't even know how to fix it. (Volunteer) developers should care. And those people all knew. Just because some of those people didn't fix their scripts or were no longer around to fix their scripts, doesn't mean that this wasn't all known. It was known for years, and we all knew that it was gonna be a 'nightmare' to get everything converted. That's why it took us 7 years to get to this point. But at some point you need to bite the bullet and basically surface all the 'submarine' scripts that are still out there, because waiting longer won't do anything to motivate people to switch either. Many of the remaining uses are in totally dormant accounts, so tackling it 'all' is simply not productive, better to fix just that which is actually broken for people and that people are actually still using. Just bring your scripts over and the few coders who know what they are doing will absolutely try their best to fix your script, to the best of their ability. It would have been nice if the Developers had actually announced this a month ahead instead of less than a week, but I fear that that actually would have done little to get stuff fixed much timelier. Experience has shown me that the pressure of stuff actually breaking is the best motivator for people to storm into action in such a last phase. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 11:41, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Like Adam, I'm glad to have stumbled across this (even if only a few days before the scriptocalypse). I've [//en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary%3AGrease_pit%2F2015%2FAugust&type=revision&diff=33800735&oldid=33799418 notified en.Wikt], where (fortunately) it doesn't seem very many users will be affected. -sche (talk) 20:03, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Google Cache
Several issues with Google's Cache feature: GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:46, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The "centrally logged in" message is not shown
 * Typing in the search box will show the autocomplete instead of a list of Wikipedia pages
 * The current version of CSS pages is used; for example, a long search box appears even when it was short at the time
 * Templates with a link to toggle between collapsed and expanded are shown in expanded mode, and clicking on the link will show the actual Wikipedia page instead of applying the action to the template on the Cache page
 * You mean when viewing a Wikipedia page through Google's cache? That is a feature that is broken on Google's end - we can't fix their software.--Anders Feder (talk) 14:53, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Googlebot doesn't have a Wikipedia account so Google's cache will display Wikipedia pages like they look to unregistered users. Google's cache is made by Google and stored on Google's servers. It's only for display and not intended to have the interactive functionality of the original website. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:34, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Alternative edit counter
The edit counter linked in the footer of User Contributions pages (xtools) is not working, is there a working alternative available? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:20, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why that one is still linked, it should really be to Supercount. Saying that it's not loading for me right now, but usually works. Sam Walton (talk) 11:34, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll give it a go later, but meanwhile who can change the link in the Contributions footer? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:51, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I would assume it's a MediaWiki page somewhere, but I don't know how to find it. Sam Walton (talk) 15:11, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer. You can find out the name of the MediaWiki page containing a system message by [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MyContributions?uselang=qqx setting your language to "qqx"]. SiBr4 (talk) 15:19, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Neither of them have been working properly since some good meaning souls decided to rewrite them and ended up screwing them up completly. There's nothing you can do about it, those tools are designed and maintained by volunteers and the hardware that hosts them is owned by the Foundation. Neither accepts responsibility. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For the non-namespace specific edits, Special:CentralAuth does also list a number of edits per project. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:51, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Displacing (disambiguation)s
There is a current thread at Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation which proposes change to the titling priorities to Wikipedia pages that speciaise in the presentation of hyperlinks. This type of page is commonly called a navigation page though, in Wikipedia, it has traditionally been called a disambiguation page.

The two proposals are:
 * 1) that hyperlink list type pages at a base name title (such as John Smith) should themselves be disambiguated from the names of individual subjects.
 * 2) that a more commonname and descriptive disambiguation should be used for these pages than "... (disambiguation)" and suggestions include that we use an option such as: "Foobar (navigation)" or "Foobar (menu)" or "Foobar (navigation guide)" or "Foobar (article navigation guide)"

The first proposal is supported while the second proposal gets mixed support but with some concerns raised regarding the practicalities of making the changes if they were deemed to be sufficiently advantageous.

So my question here is: Could some kind of bot or system be developed to move all "... (disambiguation)" pages to "... (something else)" pages?

As a very loose ballpark figure there may be ~32,500 such articles that might potentially be moved.

I was also and separately wondering whether a bot might simultaneously be able to adapt the title format with the result that it might have a presentation such as:

Foobar,  (article navigation guide)

or

Foobar,  (article navigation page)

I believe that this type of result could be achieved through an installation of a code on the lines of:

GregKaye 12:27, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Your post is slightly difficult to parse, but if you are asking if a bot could replace every occurence of "(disambiguation)" in article titles with some other fixed string, then yes, undoubtedly. You would want to make that request at WP:BOTREQ.--Anders Feder (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. While it is well and good to check on the feasibility of doing something, this needs far more discussion to say there is consensus for any sort of change. Many of the respondents in the linked discussion were unable to parse out precisely what was being proposed, and while there may have been some support for the first item, that discussion was far too fractious to declare any sort of consensus. older ≠ wiser 13:07, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree. It would both be simple to move the pages and to display the parenthetical part with smaller letters (the latter would only require edits to a few disambiguation templates already on the pages), but a big change like this would need wide consensus. I have posted a support for the current system. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-33
<section begin="technews-2015-W33"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * MediaWiki can now hide the signature button when you edit a content page.
 * The "Your preferences have been saved" message has changed. You can now see more easily what was saved when you change preferences several times.
 * You can now play Ogg video files in some browsers that don't support this format. This solution uses JavaScript and works on desktop browsers only for now. It will work on mobile later.
 * You can now use the same tools to edit style in VisualEditor on mobile as in desktop browsers.
 * It is now easier to see if there is a JavaScript error in a user or site script.
 * JavaScript authors:
 * You can no longer use the Sajax library. You can see a list of pages to fix.
 * You can no longer use  on Wikimedia wikis. You can see a list of pages to fix.
 * The content translation tool now works better. It is easier to use math, and useless tags are no longer added.

Problems
 * More edits have been rejected due to loss of session data lately. This is now fixed.
 * Importing a Lua module sometimes didn't work. This is now fixed.
 * Text was sometimes lost in the content translation tool. One part of the problem is now fixed.

Changes this week
 * The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 11. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from August 12. It will be on all Wikipedias from August 13 (calendar).
 * UploadWizard is getting a new look. The look of buttons and checkboxes has already changed. This week, UploadWizard gets a new date picker. The other text fields will change soon.
 * You can now test VisualEditor on mobile devices of all sizes.

Meetings
 * You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on August 11 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Some things in the watchlist will get a new look.

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. <section end="technews-2015-W33"/> 14:58, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Alphabetization
Hi. I have a long list of over a thousand names of people (they are all names of the respective Wikipedia articles). They are alphabetized now by first letter of first name. I would like to alphabetize them by first letter of last name. Is there an easy way to do that automatically? Doing it by hand would take quite a while. I have AWB, but don't know that it would do the trick. Thanks for any advice.Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I googled and found this. I don't know how it performs with thousands of items.--Anders Feder (talk) 17:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will play around with that. BUt I was hoping there might be a way to use WP:DEFAULTSORT or something like that here at Wikipedia.Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:17, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Anders Feder, thanks, that external website works pretty well. It's not quite as good as a DEFAULTSORT, but still it's very good.  Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If you want to make a sortable Wikipedia table or add something like  to each entry for use in an article about that person then regular expressions can help but you will need to be more specific about what you want to do, and please include a link to the list (if it's a one-off then it may be easier to do it than explain to you how to do it). Anders Feder's link seems perfectly suited for what you actually requested. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Anders Feder's link has done the trick. Thanks again.Anythingyouwant (talk) 18:43, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For future reference, Anythingyouwant, Excel will do this offline. Copy/paste the whole list into Notepad, use find/replace to change the spacing from a space to a tab (John Doe becomes John	Doe), copy/paste the result into Excel, and the names will end up in two columns because of the tab.  This done, you can have it sort either column alphabetically.  Nyttend (talk) 18:56, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, very good to know. As we all always suspected, the internet is completely unnecessary.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:07, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Legacy gadgets are disabled
There is a thread about current problems with Navigation popups at Wikipedia talk:Tools/Navigation popups DuncanHill (talk) 01:21, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's being explicitly blocked from loading with the console message "Gadget "Navigation_popups" was not loaded. Please migrate it to use ResourceLoader. See <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Gadgets>. ".  There must have been a very recent change that blocked it.  Nakon  01:22, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Not just popups - wikEd and a couple of other tools are offline as well. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:35, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Does this include the "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time." gadget? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 01:58, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This is likely affecting any gadget that wasn't updated recently. See this commit.  Nakon  02:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * "The time has come to stop useful things working, without warning people or offering them viable alternatives". DuncanHill (talk) 02:03, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * "The time has come to stop having a development staff which has no accountability to the users it purportedly supports." --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 02:22, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * "The time has come to stop whining about every miniscule change in Wikimedia infrastructure."--Anders Feder (talk) 02:35, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The gadgets should be loaded by ResourceLoader (the "new" method since in 2011), by updating their definition at MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition, and explicitly declaring any dependencies they might have. Helder 02:25, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I *think* wikEd should might work now? At least, it'll try to load. I also fixed ExternalSearch and CategoryAboveAll. Legoktm (talk) 03:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * wikEd is loading for me, and so is popups (on enwiki only) --I am  k6ka  Talk to me!   See what I have done  03:11, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've fixed popups by merging MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-popups.js. Nakon  03:21, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * thank you VERY much indeed --Snotty (talk) 03:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finding Mxn's fix for popups. I was going through severe withdrawal. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:22, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Article assessment not appearing
This gadget (available in preferences) is not working. What it does is color-code the article title and provide a little blurb with the article rating (featured article, good article, etc) so the logged-in user can see at a glance the current assessment. It quit working today, so it might be related to the thread directly above. The documentation for the gadget is at User:Pyrospirit/metadata. Thanks to anyone who can help get this useful tool working again. (User:Pyrospirit has not edited since 2012) -- Diannaa (talk) 03:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've updated the gadget's configuration and it should now be working. Nakon  03:40, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes it is. Thank you, Nakon. -- Diannaa (talk) 03:57, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Whoever got me back my plus sign for starting new talk-page sections (instead of having to edit the last section), thanks. It was weird; I'd see the plus sign for a second and then it would disappear. Article assessments are back too. All the best,  Mini  apolis  17:36, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hypothesis: there is a gadget or script that removes/hides the "new section" tab (which might display as a +, if your language setting is not "en") that you don't recall enabling or installing. This gadget or script uses Sajax, and so no longer works, so the "new section" tab is displayed as normal. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:30, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Haven't changed any of my gadgets in a while. It's gone again, and from what I'm reading a number of gadgets seem to have stopped working for some reason. The gadget I mean replaces "New section" with a plus sign, but I have neither—just the "Edit" tab. All the best,  Mini  apolis  23:15, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

...and now it's back again, so I'll quit while I'm behind (and double-check my preferences :-)). All the best,  Mini  apolis  23:18, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

RefTools
This question was originally asked at the Teahouse, but an editor suggested I come here for a more complete answer.

Since 7 August, I have noticed that the templates dropdown menu on the RefToolbar drops behind the edit window when clicked. This means I cannot access the four cite templates listed on the menu. I normally use Mozilla Firefox and a Macbook Air to edit Wikipedia. I have made this edit in Apple's native Safari browser to see if the issue occurs again, and it has. Does anyone else have this problem? I have included a screenshot from Commons in case this description is unclear. Vycl1994 (talk) 14:19, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I think this might be related to the activation of ResourceLoader for all gadgets. Maybe the list of dependencies which MediaWiki:Gadget-refToolbar.js loads before calling MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js needs to be updated? Helder 15:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems that is having this problem, see Help talk:Edit toolbar. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I am absolutely having this problem. I use Chrome and a MacBook. That snapshot is identical to what I see: if you can click on that tiny sliver, you get a Cite Web option pop up. I believe it started on the 7th as well. I use that menu a lot, too. Ogress <sub style="color:#BA55D3;">smash! 19:08, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I am having the same RefToolbar problem with the drop down in the edit window. It's off and on, so maybe someone is working on it. Firefox 39.0.3. Earlier in the day, I was not having this problem. It isn't that the templates drop down behind the box.  They don't drop at all when I click the arrow next to the word Templates.— Maile  (talk) 19:58, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * (Bump) These are definitely still not working. Ogress <sub style="color:#BA55D3;">smash! 22:43, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Got it, this is a conflict between Reftoolbar and the gadget Syntax highlighter. Will look at it later today. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 16:18, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much, the ref tool is soooo useful in comparison to other alternatives. Ogress <sub style="color:#BA55D3;">smash! 17:23, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Requested a change here —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 17:52, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. This worked fine for me several hours ago.  Now it's back to not working.  — Maile  (talk) 19:18, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The fix wasn't even deployed yet. But it's a race condition, so in the current state, sometimes it will work for some people, and sometimes not. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 21:07, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * (Ping) Just keepin' this section alive. Ogress <sub style="color:#BA55D3;">smash! 00:25, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The issue has been fixed, it seems. Reftools has returned to normal, as of 11 August, at least for me. Thanks, all! Vycl1994 (talk) 17:12, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library: Running a SiteNotice for logged-in users
Hi all, at The Wikipedia Library, we have developed an open research hub that helps editors discover a number of different community-led support services, including the Reference Desk, Resource Exchange, Open Access Guide and our popular free access to donated paywalled databases.

So far the donations have served over 2400 editors across a number of language communities with nearly 4500 accounts. Our main method for communicating these access donations has been bi- or tri-monthly watchlist notices, village pump messages, and social media announcing new partnerships. (see our announcing process here).

However, we still have a number of partnerships with very useful resources that could benefit a wide range of editors, that have dozens or (in some cases) hundreds of accounts available. We realize that for some of the partnerships, this is because a resource is simply not of interest, but for many more of the partnerships, editors are missing out because our announcements aren’t reaching those who could benefit from free access to research materials. They simply don’t know this program exists.

There are a lot more potential users than the 2400 who already have accounts: most of our accounts are available for free to any editor with 6 months activity on Wikipedia and 500 edits.

We want to establish a consensus for semi-regular (every 4-6 months) English Wikipedia Site- or CentralNotices targeted for signed in editors who likely meet the basic criteria for free access.

The notices will remind editors that a) access to partner resources are available and b) that, even if editors don’t qualify for those partnerships or need our particular sources, other resources exist to help their research and contributions to Wikipedia.

The French Wikipedia Library successfully ran a similar notice several months ago with great success in informing and attracting new editors.

We think this is a valuable opportunity to grow the impact of this program and we want to make sure as many editors as possible benefit from it.

Thanks, Astinson (WMF) (talk) 14:43, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi all, I realized we didn't ask a question: Do semi-regular sitenotices sound reasonable? Are there any objections? Astinson (WMF) (talk) 16:42, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I certainly would have no objections, though we mainly cover the technical aspects here. Have you asked in other forums (e.g. one of the other village pumps)?--Anders Feder (talk) 16:57, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I have reposted at Village_pump_(proposals). I asked here, because previous site notices had gone through here. Thanks for the redirect, Astinson (WMF) (talk) 21:08, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit summary saved texts
I recently installed Windows 10 with its Microsoft Edge browser in order to save and retrieve text that I use in the Edit Summary field. So far so good. But every text I have ever used in the Edit Summary is now presented to me or partially presented to me, depending on the characters I type into the Edit Summary field. But there are various texts that I never want to use again (errors/better wording invented) and I want to selectively delete them. I don't see anything about how this can be done. How? Thanks. Hmains (talk) 22:37, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please contact Microsoft. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 06:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * To uninstall Windows 10 and roll back to Win 7 or 8, Start button -> Settings -> Update & security -> Recovery -> Go back to Windows x -> Get started. I've done it and it's painless. Takes about 15 minutes. I had no problems and all settings, preferences, and favorites were restored. Akld guy (talk) 07:04, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't want to uninstall anything. With previous Windows versions and a recent version of Wikipedia, I no longer received any previous text in the field in the Edit Summary Field and had to type in my text, every time. Hmains (talk) 01:57, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * On Firefox I navigate the list by using the up and down arrow keys, and press the delete button the one I never want to see again. Dos this work on Edge? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:45, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That is how things used to work. Now the list of prior texts sort of floats in front of the Wikipedia screen and I can do nothing with the list other than scroll to what I want and push the left mouse button to put the text into the Edit Summary field.  All other actions fail to do anything. Hmains (talk) 01:57, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * How was I to know whether you might not want to uninstall? I'm not a mind reader. Besides there are thousands of others who read this page who MIGHT want to uninstall. I've supplied the method. Don't bash me for it. Akld guy (talk) 05:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Notifications from transcluded templates
I imagine this is the kind of thing that's on Phab somewhere already, so feel free to just point me in that direction if so. Basically the issue is that when I create an article and add it to a navigational template, every time other articles using that template are purged or edited I receive a '[Article] was linked to from [Article]' notification, when it hasn't really been linked to, it's just in a template on that page. Any way to stop this, or is it being tracked already? Sam Walton (talk) 18:57, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I think you can only avoid it by stopping all "was linked to" notifications. This is done by disabling "Page link" at Special:Preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a shame because I turned that on specifically because I find it quite useful, I just find these unwanted transclusion notifications irritating. Sam Walton (talk) 23:04, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The only alternative I can think of is to add the link to the navbox first and then wait for it to propagate to existing articles before creating the new article. Admittedly a poor solution which will cause temporary red links, and it would still give notifications if the navbox is added to more articles later. But the unwanted notifications seem like a small issue compared to Special:WhatLinksHere being unable to exclude links from navboxes. That one gets reported a lot. I haven't seen your report before. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A thought about the poor solution with temporary red links:  on a page will cause WhatLinksHere for X to list the page even though there is no actual link (see Special:WhatLinksHere/No such page after I write   here). I don't know whether there is a similar effect for "Page link" notifications but if there is then you might avoid the notifications by adding   to the navbox some time before creating X, for example with   to automatically display the link when the article exists. After article creation it could be simplified to just say  . But it's probably less hassle to just live with the notifications. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

What's wrong with math?
With math set at SVGs, I see no formulas, and when I try loading the images separately, I get. 20:02, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Likely T108388? Helder 22:55, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't this username get prevented?
. Blocked already, but I was under the impression this sort of username was prevented by some username blacklist. Am I wrong about that? Someguy1221 (talk) 02:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Usernames can be blacklisted at MediaWiki:Titleblacklist or meta:Title blacklist but there is no rule against this one. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:02, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Looking at this list, I'm surprised this isn't in there. 57 accounts with "fuck" blocked in the last 2 months. Other curses and similar words have similar statistics. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Or maybe it's better to just let it happen and then block them? I don't know. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * See Scunthorpe problem. --Guy Macon (talk) 08:19, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Usernames cannot be blacklisted on the local MediaWiki:Titleblacklist post-SUL finalization. They have to be added to Meta-Wiki's blacklist. Legoktm (talk) 18:38, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Why does Template:Shamos 1999/sandbox populate categories?
The sandbox version of the template shouldn't populate the Category:Cue sports source templates and Category:Citation Style 1 specific-source templates, yet it does. I can't find what's nonstandard about this template's sandbox though. Help? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 13:32, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Those categories come from Template:Shamos 1999/doc. It is not clear to me why those categories have been added to Template:Shamos 1999/doc.--Anders Feder (talk) 13:45, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Per the edit summary on this edit, it seems User:SMcCandlish may have added them by accident while copying.--Anders Feder (talk) 13:51, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a common and documented practice to place template categories (and interlanguage links) on the /doc subpage in includeonly tags. The template page then transcludes the documentation in noinclude tags so the categories only appear on the template page. For this reason, /doc pages should usually only be transcluded on the corresponding template page. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I see. I guess the solution would be to remove the template from the sandbox then?--Anders Feder (talk) 13:56, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Or just comment out the call the to documentation template/page; already done.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:00, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, wasn't my error. Someone else's sandboxing. But it's not a big deal anyway; lots of template sandboxes end up in template categories; people know they're just sandbox copies because they say "sandbox". If this considered a real issue, it should be fixed site-wide, by having the do something to detect when it's been transcluded on a sandbox page.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:59, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The bottom of Shamos 1999 and other templates using Documentation specifically says: "Please add categories to the /doc subpage". I haven't actually found a page telling users to only use Documentation on the main template page, and Documentation is coded to detect it's on a sandbox and transclude the /doc page of the parent template. Template sandbox and test cases currently encourages to use Documentation on sandboxes. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:11, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's commoner for template sandboxes to have than not to have it, this is so that when you copy it live, you copy the whole thing and don't worry about having to adjust afterwards. A common way of preventing sandbox categorisation is to add an extra test inside the <includeonly ></includeonly>:   - this example from Template:As of/doc, but there are variants on that. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:13, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Infobox problem
Hi all; for whatever reason, on Epsilon Muscae, I can't get the "class" parameter of the infobox to show up, even though it does so just fine on other articles such as Gamma Hydri. I've tried even a simple cut-and-paste from the latter article, and even then the parameter did not show up, so I'm stumped. StringTheory11 (t • c) 17:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * From some quick playing around it seems like the spectral type field doesn't show unless you've used the appmag_v field too. Sam Walton (talk) 17:12, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, weird... Thanks though! StringTheory11 (t • c) 18:29, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Mobile app cover image
I've run into a few situations recently where an article has very few images (or only one), and the image that the official mobile app chooses as the top/cover image is not necessarily representative of the article as a whole. In one case, an editor (perhaps correctly) removed an article's only image to address this issue, but this may not be a viable general solution. What recourse is there when an article's cover image is misleading or an otherwise poor choice, but removing it would be detrimental to the article? Is there a template, magic word, or otherwise to control this feature? Is there a better way to handle it? --Fru1tbat (talk) 17:42, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The so-called lead image seems to be picked by mw:Extension:PageImages which, in turn, does not appear to offer any "manual override", but I completely agree that something like that would be useful. Do you agree?--Anders Feder (talk) 20:24, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sigh. I'm opposed to manual overrides because shit should just work. Unfortunately, this is a very theoretical discussion because 100% of my working time is dedicated to different things. If there are problems, please report them here - either by filing new bugs or by expanding existing ones. If there is evidence of widespread or otherwise serious problems, this could definitely help prioritizing PI issues higher. Max Semenik (talk) 20:48, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. .--Anders Feder (talk) 20:51, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe that images are excluded under certain conditions, like being very far down on the page or perhaps being marked with a CSS class that is ignored (e.g., the way that the blue icon in the info template gets rejected). WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:52, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Contribs pages
Are these displaying odd gaps for anyone else, or is it just me? The (current) bit on many entries has a big gap in front of it. (Firefox 20ish, XP Pro, Monobook) Peridon (talk) 18:23, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's the edit summaries that are missing - it's taken me this long to work this out... Peridon (talk) 18:28, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Missing on History pages too. Everything else seems normal. Peridon (talk) 18:30, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Could you tell me the exact Firefox version? - NQ (talk)  18:40, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 20.0.1, but I did a reboot and they've come back. Weird. Peridon (talk) 18:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This line is a test. Peridon (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm. The section heading part of the summary looks to have gone to a paler grey than it was - the actual summary is black. Could just be me, unless someone has been playing with things. Peridon (talk) 18:56, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This is what I'm seeing with your configuration. - NQ (talk)  19:00, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing the square bracketed rollback and vandalism buttons, but I can't remember if they were there before. Never use them. I am getting plagued with an unresponsive script on loading pages which says "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en-gb&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=monobook&version=L%2BIuGnZg:3" on the little popup that enables it to be stopped. Peridon (talk) 19:16, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Try Safe Mode and see if the issue persists. The buttons are a part of Twinkle and will only appear if they're enabled in the preferences panel. - NQ (talk)  19:42, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The rollback and vandalism seem to be available on other than my own contribs list, which is why they are showing there on your mockup. The script came up on about four pages, but seems to have taken a holiday now. I haven't used Safe Mode since I regularly used 2000Pro and rarely there - never needed it on XP or 7 and wouldn't know how to get into it now. Thanks anyway. Peridon (talk) 19:51, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Hatnotes and "Main" disappearing
I knew it wasn't my imagination. I knew I saw these Wikilinks. And just now I went to a page that had a hatnote at the top and when I was about to click on the link, there was no hatnote.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:02, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you using the mobile version? That hides the hatnotes be default.  22:43, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No, home computer, Vista, IE9. The hatnotes and main appear and then disappear.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  15:48, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you do not have the benefit of being a digital native, but you'll need to be a little more clear in your help requests. What do you mean "there was no hatnote"? When the page was first displayed, was there or was not a hatnote? If there was a hatnote, when precisely did there stop being a hatnote? Did the hatnote disappear while you were looking at it? Did you scroll away and then it was no longer there when you scrolled back? What was the precise things that happened?--Anders Feder (talk) 16:07, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The hatnote and main were there. I saw them. Sometimes I was looking right at the screen when the hatnote just went away. I didn't actually see the main disappearing.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  16:15, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Never had that happen to me, but it sounds like faulty CSS. If you have any custom CSS or Javascript you could try disabling them if the problem persists.--Anders Feder (talk) 16:21, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, navboxes at the bottom of articles simply don't appear. They were appearing last week.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  16:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

I cleared my CSS page but the same things are still happening.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  16:26, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Did you clear your cache?--Anders Feder (talk) 16:30, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Still doing it.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  16:32, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I found my js page too, cleared it, bypassed the cache, and everything is still happening.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  17:19, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I put everything back the way it was. I moved a navbox to a user page and it displayed.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  17:22, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm leaving for the day.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  17:24, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Does it happen when you are logged out? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:27, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hypothesis: there are two gadgets or scripts, one to remove/hide the navboxes and hatnotes; the other to display them. They are loaded in that order. Previously, the second one nullified the first, so navboxes and hatnotes were displayed. The second gadget or script uses Sajax, and so no longer works, so only the first script is effective, and so navboxes and hatnotes are briefly displayed until the first gadget or script runs at which point they hide. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:27, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any gadget or script to hide the navboxes, hatnotes, and mains. I do know that on my recently created user page they display. To answer everything is normal when I log out except the appearance of Wikipedia. I'm uncomfortable until I sign in and everything looks normal again. As I recall, neither of you would necessarily get this joke. I'm changing from Monobook the day Donald Trump registers as a Democrat.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  17:07, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I was going to say the navbox shows up in shorter articles, but I went back to one article and the navbox was gone.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  18:51, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The hatnote seems to be staying around when I am at a library with Firefox, but before I use that at home, assuming I don't get a new computer since mine is old, I won't be getting Firefox until Trump supports amnesty and working toward citizenship for illegal immigrants.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  15:13, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * still waiting on some kind of answer. If this is a Monobook problem, it still ought to be fixed.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:33, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't know why you're waiting for an answer from me. I don't maintain the MediaWiki software or the site CSS/JavaScript pages. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, nobody is answering and I can't figure out the directions for reporting a bug. I have to be signed in and I don't remember if I even have a username or password. And I'm leaving until possibly Wednesday.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:09, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Your username at is Vchimpanzee. Your password is the same as your Wikipedia password. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:16, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  16:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And it's telling me no.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  17:03, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * How to report a bug. Though it's still unclear to me what the problem is, so this really needs good and clear steps to reproduce. --Malyacko (talk) 10:42, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

No tags or templates working
I would like to report that I appear to have the same problem as : who reported a fault on 7 August as above: Village pump (technical)/Archive 139.

I reported my problem to the help desk on 8 August: Help desk. I still have the same problem. Any further assistance would be appreciated.

I notice we are both using Vista; perhaps therein lies the problem?!....Gomach (talk) 09:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering.. Can you see [these hidden words] ? If you cannot see the hidden words, then I suspect you have a broken font that doesn't support italics... —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 11:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I can see those words.Gomach (talk) 11:36, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, do you have an adblocker installed per chance ? —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 13:56, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Test 1:

A
 * Test 2:


 * Test 3:


 * Above here I see (not replicating links and italics) "A" after Test 1, "See also: B" after Test 2, and "Main article: C" after Test 3. Do you see the same? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:30, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No adblocker as far as I am aware.
 * I see exactly the same as you.Gomach (talk) 15:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have made a mainspace test with the same content at Temporary test page. What do you see there? I see the same as here in all three tests. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:04, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't use ad blockers. That's just too complicated.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  16:59, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * All I can see is:

Test 1:

Test 2:

Test 3:

Only for a millisecond do I see the content between the lines, before it vanishes! This is exactly what happens with the tags and templates!Gomach (talk) 17:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you guys tried disabling ALL your Gadgets and scripts yet ? Tried logging out ? Tried different browsers on the same machine ? —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 17:32, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Only IE9 on Win 7/Vista seem to be exhibiting this issue. (Browser Screenshots) Please try another browser or upgrade to the latest version. - NQ (talk)  18:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not changing browsers. And I'm not aware that I can upgrade to a newer version of IE, since it was always done automatically before and hasn't been done lately.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  18:15, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If you're on Vista, you cannot upgrade beyond IE9. - NQ (talk)  18:19, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That settles that. And I don't like Firefox or Chrome. I won't use them at home, though changing browsers on my own computer would be too complicated.18:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And let me add I won't upgrade Windows either. Aside from being too complicated and not comfortable to use, my computer is so old it would be pointless. I worry it will go any day now.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  18:24, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the information. Google chrome is working perfectly, though I prefer IE9. Thanks to everyone for their help over the last few days!!Gomach (talk) 19:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I wasn't sure how to do it.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:56, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * T108727 - NQ (talk)  20:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have also made tests with IE9 on Windows Vista now. Hatnotes were visible in mobile but missing for desktop in mainspace and no other tested namespaces. They were missing in all four skins both logged in and out. They appeared for a fraction of a second each time the page was loaded. Some other things like navboxes were also missing. I searched the MediaWiki namespace for hatnote and found MediaWiki:Print.css which is apparently the culprit. It must run in IE9 on Windows Vista. After I removed the hiding of hatnote in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Print.css&diff=675660442&oldid=609499194] and bypassed my cache, I now see hatnotes at Temporary test page and elsewhere. Navboxes are still missing. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I see hatnotes at Temporary test page. I should point out that when signed out, which means I have the skin new users had, I saw hatnotes with IE9 and Vista. Not that this means anything, but my Internet is so slow that hatnotes were visible for a few seconds sometimes.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:44, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile, the magical disappearing Navbox is still there. Someone call Penn and Teller.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:46, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That wasn't a fix, it was a test. It's supposed to still be broken for all the other parts that were broken before. It seems that IE9 has a bug that we will now need to find a workaround for. Please follow the Phabricator ticket. In order to login on Phabricator, read and follow the instructions on this page. TLDR. push the MediaWiki button there. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 20:51, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If the real issue is hard to fix then maybe somebody could suggest a temporary user css hack to override MediaWiki:Print.css, for IE9 users who don't care what is included in print. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:38, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Featured picture candidates closing to break in two days; I don't even know what parts of the script are sajax to even begin to fix it.
User:Adam Cuerden/closeFPC.js Please help. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:36, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Untested, but this should do for now. The script really should still be rewritten to use the mw.Api RL module, and in general use an async execution model, instead of synchronous XHR. But that will take a bit more time. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 18:48, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the diff for review.
 * @TheDJ: notice that  does not return a promise, so   might be misleading. Helder 18:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah right, that still isn't possible indeed. Well then this will have to do —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 19:01, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I looked it over, and copied over the new code into the version in my user space (if there's a way to just link to your code I could do that instead, but there's a number users who need the update.) I'll do a test now. Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:15, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ...It didn't work. Clicking on "Close FPC" doesn't pull up any sort of editable form. Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:29, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll have to check after work then and might have to actually close an FPC to experiment. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 06:00, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Surely you can use  to link to User:TheDJ/closeFPC.js? -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:40, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Realise I haven't even looked at this scripting language in five years or so, and only managed to dow hat I did before with difficulty. More relevantly, however, is that the suggested version of TheDJ's code is a previous revision. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:08, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Anyway, a test page is at Featured_picture_candidates/Test_1 - Copy that page to get as many test pages as you need. I'd suggest using Not promoted at first, until you get that working. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Right, it sort of seems to work now... Please copy paste and experiment. Afterwards I want to still improve a few more parts, but this is like Pick-up sticks + Jenga + software archaeology all in one, so I need to move slowly. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 19:44, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Software archaeology is a thing? That's amusing. --Izno (talk) 20:25, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks to be working! Thank you so much! It currently just links to your script; should I just copy-paste it in until your next update? Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:53, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

What happens to Page-Views (hits, using stats.grok.se) after a page is moved?
I'm trying to use the very cool stats.grok.se to get page-views data for articles.

1. One challenge is that the data in stats.grok is per URL, not per article, so when the page is moved.

2. Using the Wikipedia API I managed to get hold of all the dates and URL changes I need, While it's clear that the new link data is only relevant from when the change is made, I'm not sure how to treat old-link page-views after the date of the page move:

3. After the page-move - there are many times page-views numbers for the same days on both links. For example: for this movie: - these data start 21 Aug 2008, but the Revision history shows that was a date of a link change. AND - Old link data continues after the link change date.

If New_link_data was always the maximum page-views, I could assume the old location is still getting hits just as users are being redirected from it to the new page location. but this is not he case. Also I know that redirects to the old-location don't get automatically redirected to the new location. I have two options of getting a measure of number of daily hits for an article, as far as I can see:

A. On the date of page move - start using new-location data and ignore old-location data B. From the date of page move, add the page-views for old and new locations for each day of data.

My problem is: - Option A will be an under-estimation if some users who are interested in the article still only get to the old location (e.g. from redirects). BTW what do such users see - just a redirect message? - Option B will be an over-estimation if the redirect creates 2 hits for a user which is re-directed - one in the old location and another in the new location. I'd appreciate any advice. Again - great tool! Thanks, Michael

I'd be grateful for any advice about the issue or who I should ask / where I should look further. Michael

MichaelWhite1982 (talk) 12:40, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If your question is "What is the logic for redirects and when a page gets moved do the stats move?" then the answer is "It counts the title the page was accessed under, so redirects and moves will unfortunately split the statistics across two different statistics pages." I read that to mean that if a user accesses a title which has been redirected, it will not normally be counted twice. But it will be counted under the redirected title, rather than the target title.--Anders Feder (talk) 12:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Andres. I'd read it the same way, especially after reading Adam and Dispenser's explanation below. MichaelWhite1982 (talk) 20:37, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * One big downside is that transclusions and redirects aren't counted, so, for example, if your page is at Namé Wáccents and redirected from Name Waccents, you'll need to look at both pages, as the redirect might well have more hits. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:01, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Redirects I'll be able to find now, and add up the page-views for every day from all redirects+target. Transclusions - I can't see a clear way of getting all those, but I'm ok with not counting them. MichaelWhite1982 (talk) 20:55, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , I'm not sure if you contacted me due to my previous contract work in the area (E-mail me to learn more), but there some basics you should know. Wikipedia Redirects are unlike HTTP moves, content is duplicated for redirect pages (this was obvious before they implemented   to hide it).  So there's no overlap and you can simply add them all up.  Mind you the counts are not accurate (link saturation causing under reporting, web crawler and DDOS causing over reporting).  And what is the significance of a view if the person only read the introduction section?  — Dispenser 16:46, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dispenser, that's very informative and helpful!! I've contacted you after looking at your redirects page (which at first I was going to use to find redirects, but ended up using Wikipedia's API for that). It's very fortunate there are no duplicates, so my plan is:
 * 1. Find all old links (which will constitute part of the redirects list, together with spelling errors etc. ) of a current page and get their data for the relevant dates.
 * 2. For each day, add the page-views from all links which were created before that day
 * One more follow up if I may - for looking up views for the parallel page in other languages, I'm assuming there is no relation between page moves in the different languages - i.e. in order to do it right I'd have to go find the page-moves in each language, and go through steps 1-2 for that language...MichaelWhite1982 (talk) 20:57, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I recommend to my clients to only focus on a single language or at least the ones you can speak. Every Wikipedia language has their own culture and values.  Where the English is multicultural, the German Wikipedia reflects Germany (Anti-nuclear, pro-government), while the Japanese Wikipedia is insulated, and the Amish...  More importantly mapping isn't 1:1, it might just link to a section, redirect to main article, or its split across on two articles.  The quality varies as well with some Wikipedias having bots creating 100,000 single-sentence stubs.  — Dispenser 18:54, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

What happened to February 5 data
February 5, 2015 data was compiled at one time, but now the data is not appearing in the pageview stats at http://stats.grok.se. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:53, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Special:Contributions database error
Was trying to find out if ClueBot NG has ever made any edits in the File: namespace. But going to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=ClueBot+NG&namespace=6&tagfilter=&year=2015&month=-1 gives

A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software.
 * Function:
 * Error:

which is beyond me. Eman 235 / talk 04:54, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've added this to Phabricator. Nakon  05:10, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I tried it twice. The firest time I got the same error, but the second time no error (maybe pure luck, cache, or the right time of the day) - FYI there are no edits in the file name space. Christian75 (talk) 10:09, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You are just stressing the servers by making them go through 3.5 million edits by ClueBot NG to search for a namespace the bot never edits. I have disabled the link to stop people from clicking it needlessly. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:02, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Experiencing suddenly smaller type size
I am seeing much smaller type on all my Wikipedia pages (lower case ~1mm high), this having started about 5:30 UTC today, and without my doing anything to change my Wikipedia preferences or browser (Firefox 30.0.3) settings (unless possibly something I did unknowingly). All other text on my machine (running under Windows 7) renders as before. My screen resolution hasn't been changed. Is there something that has changed at Wikipedia? Dhtwiki (talk) 10:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have not noticed any change in font size. The obligatory question is: have you tried resetting browser zoom (Ctrl+0)?--Anders Feder (talk) 11:09, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That seems to have done it. The text is at a more easily readable size. I never use zoom from the keyboard, so I'm not aware of ctrl-0. I must have accidentally touched/done something, then. Dhtwiki (talk) 11:52, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe you pressed Ctrl while scrolling the mousewheel. will usually also make smaller but that's harder to do by accident. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I use a two-button trackpad, and I don't do anything fancy with it, such as two-finger zooms, nor can I think of any likely combination of keystrokes I use that would have caused me to hit unknowingly. One of the reasons I asked about it here is because I had a somewhat similar problem last year, but where I wasn't getting the usual multi-column appendices, where specified by em-dash (e.g. 30em), but without typesize noticeably larger from zooming in. I waited, thinking it must have been something I stupidly did, and would discover how to undo. I never did, and then, after about six months, the problem suddenly disappeared, as mysteriously as it arrived. I didn't want have to spend six months going blind reading too-small type. Dhtwiki (talk) 12:14, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Major contributors script?
I'm wondering if anyone knows of a script that extract the "major contributors" to an article. I would define such an editor as someone that has made a significant edit that remains in the article (i.e., not undone, not RVed). I would optionally have switches to eliminate anon/IP edits, and any edits older than X.

Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not aware of any such thing, but it would be awesome. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There's WikiHistory, but it's not interactive - you need to feed it a page name, such as [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/wikihistory/wh.php?page_title=List_of_Pac-Man_clones List of Pac-Man clones] or [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/wikihistory/wh.php?page_title=Alfred_Berengena Alfred Berengena]. I believe that is working on it. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:57, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm going to play with this. But it seems the tools aren't working again, it keeps timing out. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:37, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That tells you who made the most edits, but not who wrote it. It would be more interesting to be able to determine what percentage of the visible words were written by a given editor, rather than who hit the undo button the most.
 * On a related point, something like the information at WikiProject Medicine/Stats/Top English medical editors 2014 might be interesting. It shows how many bytes (file size) I added and how many I removed from WPMED-tagged articles.  This won't capture the fact that the "undo" button does not create content, but it's another measure that might be more informative than pure edit counts.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:30, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * what is it that I'm looking at? Is that a static page, or am I looking at the output from a script that runs when I visit the page? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:02, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a static page. You might be able to get information from Doc James about how it was created.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

InterWiki
right now i cant add interwiki to pages. after i press the languages option under the tools below massage is appear in my screen. Previously easly when i press the langaues option i could add interwiki to pages but not right now. what is the problem please guide me what is the possible problem for this error.

You need to be logged in You need to be logged in on this wiki and in the central data repository to use this feature.

thank you

World Cup 2010 (talk) 03:38, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Something similar was reported in T50389.--Anders Feder (talk) 05:02, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

It is serous problem. I cant connect article in other Wikis to each others. Please help me to solve and repair this problem.World Cup 2010 (talk) 05:58, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you have a specific page and example (URL) to reproduce the problem? I assume you are logged in (your username is shown in the upper corner)? When you go to https://www.wikidata.org/, are you also logged in there when you look at the upper corner? Which browser do you use and which version? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:25, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Checked it on mine, and it's not like it used to be. Firefox 39.0.3, Modern skin. If I click on "Add Links" at Loyal Valley, Texas, where no other language exists, I get this: Error: [Exception... "" nsresult: "0x805e0006 " location: "JS frame :: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=modern&version=L%2BIuGnZg :: .send :: line 140" data: no]
 * If it's Texas Revolution where other languages are listed, there is only "Edit links" at the bottom - clicking that takes me to the correct place. — Maile (talk) 12:30, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The above error message is a conflict with No Script. However, is I disable No Script, I get a different message that says "You need to be logged in on this wiki and in the central data repository to use this feature." The link for central data repository takes me to Wikidata.  If I make sure I'm logged in there, I still get the error message that says I need to be logged in.— Maile  (talk) 12:37, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This appears to be a Firefox error, at least with me. If I go to Loyal Valley, Texas on IE, click on "Add links",  it goes directly to Wikidata and allows me to connect languages. — Maile  (talk) 12:47, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * World Cup 2010, I have the same problem in Firefox. Do you also disallow third-party cookies?    WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:49, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I disallow third party cookies on Firefox. I just ran a test.  Allowing third-party cookies does not resolve this issue. — Maile  (talk) 16:55, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * "Add links" works for me with Firefox 40.0.2 on Windows Vista. Do you mean you are already logged in at wikidata: when you first go there? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Did you re-login after allowing third-party cookies? Legoktm (talk) 06:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Italics in article title
Most video game articles come up with the title in italics. I always thought this was due to some setting in the infobox? But Rescue! doesn't seem to work. Did I miss something? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The one you link has Infobox software, and the video games use Infobox video game.— Maile (talk) 13:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Many infoboxes add italics by default, for example Infobox video game. Rescue! uses Infobox software which doesn't add italics. You can add Italic title to the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:12, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Mobile Wikipedia
On the mobile Wikipedia, the search box is very narrow and there is a blue search button next to it. Also, the TOC is not shown, the "Last modified" area shows the timestamp instead of "time ago" and the username, and it does not turn green after a recent edit. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 16:41, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * And, if you don't mind my two cents, there is no link to the talk page. Eman 235 / talk  16:53, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you checked recently? Mobile has added a "Talk" link at the bottom. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I see it. Thanks. Eman 235 / talk  02:38, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Bizarre error
There is a very bizarre error at Lemony Snicket. Just under the heading, there is the following statement in bold red letters: "Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "?"." What′s the problem? 2A02:582:C55:2A00:5CA0:E2CA:249:B555 (talk) 13:41, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Same problem at Charles Henderson (character), Marc Kilgour and Slartibartfast. 2A02:582:C55:2A00:5CA0:E2CA:249:B555 (talk) 13:45, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * In Lemony Snicket it's being triggered by . That template apparently wants a color-name for that parameter, not a yes/no option. DMacks (talk) 13:47, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ...but in Charles Henderson (character), it's . The UK/US spelling are synonymous, so it's more subtle than just "color name" vs "yes/no". It's all happening as a result of this edit by User:Alakzi. DMacks (talk) 13:53, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed. The template expects a CSS colour value. Alakzi (talk) 14:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Can the template put these pages in a tracking category so that we can find/fix them rather than just ignoring that there is an error? DMacks (talk) 14:13, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The template does already do that: Category:Articles using Template:Infobox character with invalid colour combination. Alakzi (talk) 13:48, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Awesome! DMacks (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ...maybe best would be if the underlying module did it, so that we're not restricting the "find mistakes" to just this one infobox. DMacks (talk) 14:15, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Watchlist edits for minor, new, bot, etc, marked with three little dots
Noticed that on my watchlist for the above type of edits, the "m" "mb" and "b" marked edits now have three little dots below the letters. My OCD can't take this and before I kill (again), how can I switch it back to how it was before. And when I say before, about 2hrs ago. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:16, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the styling for [//www.w3.org/TR/html5/text-level-semantics.html#the-abbr-element the  element], which is used to enclose these abbreviations, like this: <abbr >m</abbr> → <abbr class="minoredit" title="This is a minor edit">m . It's not necessarily three dots, but as many dots as are necessary to fit across the width of the abbreviated text. You should be able to suppress it with   placed in Special:MyPage/common.css. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes! Thank you.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:43, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Error
For a few minutes, the error below was displayed: (removed) - GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:01, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Nothing to worry about. See http://status.wikimedia.org/ for more info.- NQ (talk)  00:04, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

User space (anybody's), no edit toolbar, no popups in the Search bar if I'm in user space
Bummer. First I noticed doing a Search (in the search box) while in my sandbox, that the popup didn't happen in the Search box. Then I noticed no toolbar at all in the edit window of my user spaces. Same pheomenon if I try to edit on someone else's talk page. But everything works OK if I'm in mainspace. — Maile (talk) 21:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * We have the same problem at the Dutch Wikipedia. Everything works fine in the Wikipedia namespace, but in other namespaces the toolbar won't appear. Dinosaur918 (talk) 21:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * then most likely, in those other namespaces, you have other gadgets, scripts (sitewide or user) that are being loaded that fail and throw errors. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 21:43, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, when I look when I'm not logged in, nothing appears. So it can't be a user script or gadget but maybe it's sitewide. Dinosaur918 (talk) 21:46, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Problem was pinpointed to a sitewide script that expected the presence of the signature button, which in the latest version of MediaWiki is only present in talk or talk-like pages. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 22:31, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * TheDJ: which script? Helder 18:36, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Pop ups not working on Humanities RefDesk
For a couple of hours now, pop ups have not been working for me on Reference desk/Humanities. They seem to be working normally elsewhere, including the other RefDesks. DuncanHill (talk) 21:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Try to bypass your cache and please clarify the problem. Do you mean Tools/Navigation popups when you hover over the link Reference desk/Humanities, or over links on that page? If it's the latter then give examples. The tested examples looked normal to me. Hovering over Reference desk/Humanities gives no page content but that's because the lead only displays templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I bypassed my cache, made no difference. When I am on the Humanities RefDesk (that is, on the page, not on another page) and I hover over any of the links on the page, navigation pop ups do not work. They just behave as links do when not using pop ups. Examples would be every single wikilink on that page - links to article space, user pages, talk pages, Wikipedia space, and so on and so forth. DuncanHill (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:37, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * UPDATE - now they seem not to be working anywhere. DuncanHill (talk) 21:40, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I've been having the same issue, but I believe it is related to my post above. Something went "flooey". Linking this thread to above.— Maile  (talk) 21:42, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I also lost popups everywhere I tried some time after my first post, but now they are back for me everywhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:48, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Back for me EXCEPT on the Humanities desk. DuncanHill (talk) 21:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Back for me except on any user space. All user space issues mentioned above still exist for me. — Maile  (talk) 21:52, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Which skin and which browser and which version of said browser ? —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 07:34, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * think i figured it out. Are you using the "Add Page and User dropdown menus to the toolbar with links to common tasks, analytic tools and logs." Gadget per chance ? It seems the non-vector versions of that gadget are not yet fixed. I noticed above that you are using the modern skin. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 11:24, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , yes I'm using that gadget. Thank you for figuring it out for me. — Maile  (talk) 12:06, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the gadget might be fixed now that my I requested some changes to it... —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 21:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , as far as anything I've mentioned in this thread, everything was working fine when I first logged on this morning. Thank you for addressing these issues. — Maile  (talk) 21:41, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Sigma's tools are down?
I haven't been able to access Sigma's tools for the last few days. I'm not sure if it's just me or if it's a problem right now. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:39, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I (or someone else) could try if it's a general problem if you provided a link to "Sigma's tools". :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:55, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * They are the WMFLabs tools like [//tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/usersearch.py?page=User:Narutolovehinata5&server=enwiki this] and [//tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/articleinfo.py?page=User:Narutolovehinata5&server=enwiki this]. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:17, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ping.--Anders Feder (talk) 11:19, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's likely due to the fact that everything in Labs getting restarting which is killing off everything.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:\#FF8C00;font-family:Comic Sans MS"><span style="color:\#FF8C00">Chat :Limited Access 11:32, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I see. I wish every non-running tool had a "restart" button that anyone could press.--Anders Feder (talk) 11:36, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Also [//tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/summary.py?name=Redrose64 summary.py]. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:00, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

They should be up. → Σ σ  ς. (Sigma) 19:25, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Can someone repurpose the wikiproject talk page template complex for our sister projects?
Hi, I recently started the Wikisource outpost of WikiProject Paleontology and I noticed that Wikisource's wikiprojects actually lack a local version of the talk page banner that projects here at Wikipedia use to mark the pages under their jurisdictions. Because that kind of template is so vital to organizing a wikiproject, I was wondering if someone could make a version of this template that would be suitable for Wikisource. I lack the expertise to handle the complex code and quantity of other, associated templates myself so I thought I would see if anyone around here was capable of taking on this important task themselves. Abyssal (talk) 14:12, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Presumably this is followup to Template talk:WPBannerMeta -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:53, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wanted to expose the query to a broader audience than a talk page is likely to have. Abyssal (talk) 15:57, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just because something is useful on en.wp doesn't mean necessarily that sister sites need it as well right now. Remember all complexity you add is complexity that has to be maintained, and our sister sites are often even more strung for specialist technical knowledge than we here already are. Not saying you shouldn't per se, but be cautionary. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 19:29, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Side note: WikiProjects do not have "jurisdiction" over articles in any sense.  The banner says that the groups are willing to help.  It does not indicate that they receive any rights or have any control over the articles they tag.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:47, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've discussed this idea with others over at wikisource before. Basically, given the comparatively smallish number of pages there, compared to here, they have, basically, indicated that they don't need to have the banners added there. Also, the setup and scope of wikiprojects is different over there, which adds yet another complication. It might, possibly, although I have not discussed this with anyone myself, it might be possible to maybe see if there might be some support at Meta or from the WF foundation itself about maybe creating something like a WF project banner which could be added to pages relating to specific topics in multiple entities. But the best place to talk about that would probably be somewhere other than here, like on Jimbo's talk page or with other WF personnel. John Carter (talk) 22:32, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

jQuery deprecated params?
I was debugging something in my Chrome (OS X) console, and I'm getting a ton of deprecated param notifications from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=monobook&version=3hR%2F0Nym Is that sitewide jQuery or a userscript? I'm not sure whom to notify. The errors are,  ,  ,   etc. –  czar   04:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * One or more of the scripts referenced in your common.js file use outdated constructs. For example, User:Haza-w/cactions.js uses at least  directly, rather than using the modern construct  . These scripts should be updated, replaced, or removed from your common.js file to resolve the errors. I'm updating my own scripts because this reminded me that I'm still using a deprecated call to   when I should be using  . {&#123; Nihiltres &#8202;&#124;talk&#8202;&#124;edits}&#125; 05:40, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * So the only way to find the problem scripts is to manually check each one I invoke? No direct route from the console because they're compiling into one megascript? – czar   05:57, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Manipulate the url of the page and add "debug=true", which will cause everything to load in debug mode, incl javascript. That will make it easier to find your cause. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 07:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit counter is hosed
I'm attempting to access the toolserver edit counter to determine my monthly edit count. However, all charting functions are currently broken. Any assistance with debugging would be greatly appreciated. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 21:42, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This problem has been resolved. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 20:52, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

2 minutes difference between time in signature and history<span id="2-minute_difference_between_time_in_signature_and_history">
When signing a comment with four (or five) tildes, what could cause a difference between the time in the signature and the time in the revision history?

[//sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipediafr%C3%A5gor&oldid=30333453&diff=prev&diffonly=1#top This diff from Swedish WP] has a 2-minute difference, which is more surprising to me than a one-minute difference would be. (I guess you can't know from the diff that the signature really was made by  ~ , but it was, by me.)

Now I notice that the comment previous to mine on that page, made 28 minutes earlier, has the same 2-minute time difference, and the comment 49 minutes after mine has a 1-minute difference.

I looked through diffs of a few random talk pages, and didn't encounter this. Is it normal for it to occur occasionally? --83.255.46.175 (talk) 02:29, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia runs on a server farm of multiple machines. The difference could be due to a difference in the clocks on for instance a web server and a database server.--Anders Feder (talk) 04:08, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * One minute is very common. More than one is rare but I once saw four minutes in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29&diff=649453550&oldid=649452640]. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:13, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Is this not considered a problem then?
 * (I would love if someone wrote a brief technical overview of time synchronization in Wikipedia.) --83.255.46.175 (talk) 04:27, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The timestamp of the edit is the moment that the save to the database tables was actually performed. The timestamp in the page text is expanded from four (or five) tildes by the MediaWiki software, this happens after is clicked but must happen before the save is actually performed; it is thus a point in time between clicking that button and the save actually being performed.
 * I don't know at which exact stage tilde-expansion occurs, but there may be other things to parse and process after that, all of which take a measurable time (if perhaps very short), even simple things like apostrophe-italicisation through more complicated markup like template expansions to obvious time consumers like infoboxes and navboxes.
 * We can display the time of save to the second by selecting the last option at ; if we were able to show signature timestamps to the second as well, we would notice differences much more often than we do. If both could be displayed to the millisecond, the chances of the two matching exactly would actually be quite small. But since signature timestamps don't include seconds, let's assume that you've not selected the last option at, so save times are to whole minutes too. An apparent one-minute difference between the two times might plausibly be as little as one millisecond, or as great as 1 minute 59.999 seconds. The first can come about if the tilde expansion took place at (say) 11:59:59.999 (stored as 11:59) and the save took place at 12:00:00.000 (displayed as 12:00); the second can come about if the tilde expansion took place at 11:59:00.000 (stored as 11:59) and the save took place at 12:00:59.999 (displayed as 12:00). Similarly, a four-minute difference might actually be 3 minutes 0.001 seconds - this is still a lot - perhaps the servers were slow at that time. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's along the lines I was thinking.
 * That "An apparent one-minute difference between the two times might plausibly be as little as one millisecond" is why I said a one-minute difference wouldn't surprise me as much as two minutes, and it would explain it being "very common". So the times in minutes simply have the seconds truncated away, rather than rounded in some other fashion? On sv:WP I was told the 18:19 edit was really at 18:19:38, so this seems to be the case.
 * I guess a few milliseconds difference between two server clocks could cause or contribute to an apparent one-minute difference, but the clocks should be unlikely to be unsynchronized with as much as the minute that could cause an apparent 2-minute difference. So I guess clock differences between servers is insignificant compared to processing delays.
 * That the processing time for an edit can be more than a minute maybe shouldn't be a surprise, but it's hidden so well! When I saved that edit, I noticed no significant delay before the updated page was displayed. But had I looked at the page's history immediately after that, the new revision wouldn't couldn't have appeared there yet. --83.255.46.175 (talk) 07:13, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't reproduce that. This edit appeared in the revision history immediately. Of course it does not display any desync either.--Anders Feder (talk) 08:27, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
 * One more thing: I wonder if it ever happens that the time in the signature is later than the time in the revision history, as would possibly be the case if a time difference between two servers goes in that direction and is larger than the processing delay? --83.255.46.175 (talk) 07:13, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

issue with links in generated PDFs
Hi all, While attempting to use the "Download as pdf" feature for the first time, I noticed that the generated pdf does not keep the links to references in their original form. So, what happens is that many links in the generated pdf are just plain dead. For example, in this article (the version at the time of writing this), the references 38 and 39 do not get reflected in the generated pdf correctly and, though being working urls, appear to be dead. I suggest that something needs to be done in this regard, if not already done as soon as possible. Thanks. Rishidigital1055 (talk) 08:48, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The %20 in external links gets encoded twice and converts to %2520 when a pdf of the page is generated. For eg.  renders as   which is in turn a dead link. - NQ  (talk)  22:44, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a potential encoding issue in the code of the PDF software. Could you report a software bug in Phabricator by following the instructions in How to report a bug to make developers of the software aware of the issue? This is the direct link to report and there is also general help available for Phabricator. Thanks in advance. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 11:02, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Mobile version changes
(The following is related to technical issues in that some things might be seen as technical issues but really aren't, see the Mobile Wikipedia section above.) Is there a page that details the changes that are made to the mobile version of Wikipedia? I see a lot of things change (such as the addition of redlinks relatively recently) and sometimes it can seem like a bug but it seems as though it's intentional and I don't know for sure. A page like this would be very helpful. A good example of this right now is that I'll see a table of contents chart sometimes. There has never been a TOC on the mobile Wikipedia and it's showing up and disappearing here and there. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:05, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * https://git.wikimedia.org/log/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FMobileFrontend.git ? :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 09:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That is exactly what I had in mind. Thank you very much. —DangerousJXD (talk) 10:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

user account merge
I accidentally created two accounts; how do I merge them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasobh (talk • contribs) 11:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Accounts cannot be merged or deleted. Just abandon one of the accounts. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Greek image
Can anyone help this editor do this correctly? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * el:Αρχείο:Municipality of Piraeus Logo.jpg is on Greek Wikipedia, not on Commons. It can't be transferred to Commons, because it hasn't got a free-use license. It could be uploaded here, but only if it is given a cast-iron WP:FUR and all of the criteria at WP:NFCC are satisfied. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-34
<section begin="technews-2015-W34"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Many Wikipedias can now use information from any Wikidata item in any Wikipedia article. Before they could only use the Wikidata item that matched the subject of the article.
 * Some auto-saving problems and other issues in the Content Translation tool are now fixed. Please report to the Content Translation feedback page if you still have problems.

Problems
 * Older gadgets that are not using ResourceLoader are not loading anymore. They need to be updated.
 * On August 12 the machine translation servers and the Content Translation tool didn't work. This was fixed on the same day.

Changes this week
 * The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from August 18. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from August 19. It will be on all Wikipedias from August 20 (calendar).
 * You can soon watch when something is added to or removed from a category.

Meetings
 * You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on August 18 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. <section end="technews-2015-W34"/> 16:17, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Page loading
I do not know why, but when I try to go to the page Ivory Coast, my browser keeps crashing. I'm using Firefox 40.0.2. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:34, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It opens quickly in Firefox 39.0.3. Maybe there's a glitch in the new Firefox release? — Maile (talk) 23:43, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just updated FF to 40.0.2, but from what I can tell no crashes on that page. --  [[  <span style="font-family:SwissMad, Arial;">axg   //  ✉   ]] 23:52, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. It's still doing it for me. Perhaps it's some odd reaction to my Firefox plugins, or some other conflict specific to my computer. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:03, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Does it still happen when you're logged out or using a private window? — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 07:11, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You can also try if it's a browser problem: Does the problem still happen if you start Firefox in Safe Mode? (Safe Mode disables extensions and themes, hardware acceleration and some JavaScript stuff in order to exclude some possible reasons for problems. It does not disable plugins which are add-ons.) Does this also happen with a new and empty profile? Does this happen with all add-ons disabled? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:16, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone. Those are very good questions. I still have the crashes today, albeit only on that page. It does not matter whether I'm logged in or out. However, when I restart Firefox in Safe Mode, the page loads just fine, so the problem resides within one of the things that Safe Mode disables. I did not go on to try an empty profile or try disabling add-ons, because I figure it isn't worth the time, but if someone wants me to, I can. As far as I can tell, it's specific to that one page, because I'm having no problems with numerous other pages. Thanks again. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:07, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, it looks like we're getting there. :) The thing to do now is to go to Tools -> Add-ons --> Extensions, disable one extension, try to load Ivory Coast, and then repeat the process until you find which extension is causing the problems. (Of course, it may not be an extension problem at all, but I think that is most likely.) — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 04:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Naturally, I had to go through every one of them before I came to the last one, but that identified it. The culprit is Webroot Filtering Extension. I use Secure Anywhere from Webroot as my anti-malware software, and this is an extension that it adds to Firefox. Something on Ivory Coast does not get along with it. Could something on that page be interpreted as malware or as resembling malware? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:07, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've not used Webroot before, but I imagine that if it interpreted something on the page as malware then it would pop up a window saying "this is malware!" or something like that. If it's just crashing your browser completely it sounds more like a bug in the extension itself. If you have the stomach for it, I think the next step would be to contact Webroot's customer support with all of your OS, browser and Webroot version numbers. — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 04:44, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you are right about that. Thanks for your help, very much. As it happens, I'm not going to go to that much effort about it. I actually was only looking at that particular page to see how they formatted pronunciation (for the French, not the English!), and it isn't a big deal to me. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:45, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Side note: If you have lots of extensions, etc., then a binary search will be faster. Turn off half of them, and try again. If the problem persists, then it's in the other half; if it clears up, then one of the ones you disabled is the source of the problem. You can repeat this (so that only a quarter are disabled the next time, then an eighth) until you get down to a reasonable size for individual checking. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Special:NewPages
When I go to see New Pages and request for only pages in Article space to show up, some pages in other namespaces pop up (such as Draft and Wikipedia), so does this mean that the filter is not working? The Average Wikipedian (talk) 15:36, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * It works for me. Are you clicking the "Go" button after making your selection? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Check your default search domain setting at Advanced. It's a check box at the bottom.  You may have set it to "all". &mdash;  Cp i r al  Cpiral  19:30, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Table missing bottom border
In Teen Beach 2, the first two columns of the table do not appear to have a bottom border using Firefox 40 on Windows 10. (Screenshot) nyuszika7h (talk) 13:08, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Teen_Beach_2&diff=676674977&oldid=676673569] This can happen when inconsistent rowspan indicates more rows in some but not all columns. The rendering is browser dependent so it may have looked normal to the editor who did it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

New "Gadget:" and "Gadget definition:" namespaces?
I figured that this would be the best place to ask. I recently discovered that it seems that two new namespaces have been created (technically four with their applicable talk namespaces): "Gadget:" and "Gadget definition:". I "accidentally" found this our when I was trying to move pages as these new hand oscars showed up as options. However, I'm not finding any information about these namespaces on WP:GADGET, and I have no idea where else I could find information about these namespaces. I also cannot create pages in that namespace; I'm assuming it is because I am not an administrator, but I'm not sure as the error message did not specifically state that administrators could create the page. Is there any information about this??? Steel1943 (talk) 00:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Poorly documented, but it appears to be part of a plan to make gadget management easier (and more broadly, to reorganize the user-script system to be more efficient and secure; some of that likely prompted by a security audit a while back). I first found mw:Extension:Gadgets/Roadmap, which in turn led me to ResourceLoader/Version 2 Design Specification, which is more explicit about the forming plans. {&#123; Nihiltres &#8202;&#124;talk&#8202;&#124;edits}&#125; 06:14, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This is part of Gadgets 2.0; see T106177 and T31272. Essentially the idea is to make gadgets more modular, paving the way for "global gadgets" in the future (i.e. a selection of universal gadgets, like edittop, are hosted on Meta or MediaWiki.org, from where they can be accessed on all WMF wikis). Should the community decide to allow it, Gadgets 2.0 will also allow non-administrators to maintain gadgets (which I am naturally very interested in, and have been waiting for for many years). — This, that and the other (talk) 07:47, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Gadget:Invention, Travel, & Adventure
The page Gadget:Invention, Travel, & Adventure, which used to be an article, is now in the Gadget namespace. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 20:32, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Should be moved (without redirect) to Gadget Invention, Travel, & Adventure and given a hatnote of:
 * But Special:MovePage/Gadget:Invention, Travel, & Adventure says I don't have permission to edit pages in the Gadget: namespace. Need a gadget-guru... DMacks (talk) 20:42, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That is curious. Since the Gadget namespace is supposed to be protected, I wonder if this should not be considered a security issue...--Anders Feder (talk) 20:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * . For those curious, I actually used my shell access to do it, there is currenty no user group that can do anything with Gadget: in web interface. Max Semenik (talk) 21:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you also move the talk page, which is at Talk:Gadget: Invention, Travel, & Adventure (I think, Wikipedia is currently telling me it can't exist). Jenks24 (talk) 21:18, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ahaha, this part is even funnier because even maintenace scripts choke on this invalid title. Assigned to Legoktm for more chainsaw surgery. Max Semenik (talk) 21:34, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See also User talk:Topbanana. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 21:41, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank goodness there's no other pages that got accidentally moved there. The devs should really pay more attention. Eman 235 / talk  21:53, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And that search only covers enwiki. We'll need to cross our fingers and hope that no other MediaWiki instance on the internet have any pages titled "Gadget: ..."--Anders Feder (talk) 22:02, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should. Legoktm (talk) 07:35, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The article currently at Species – The Awakening once disappeared in a black hole when The Awakening became an interwiki link, and the non-existing Wikispecies page got so many hits that I created a note there to link back to Wikipedia. At least we don't send our users off site with this one, but I have fixed the cross namespace links in mainspace.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PRR_S1&diff=prev&oldid=676585627][//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_cyberpunk_works&diff=prev&oldid=676585824] Gadget:Invention, Travel, & Adventure currently has a working redirect to the mainspace article but reusers may not get it, and it could also cause problems here. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:16, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I got the last one with this. gives four pages, three of which are/transclude this page, and one that's a talk page.  Eman 235 / talk  02:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * All clear on Commons, Wikibooks, Wikinews, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikidata, Wikispecies, Wikiversity, Wikivoyage, Wiktionary, Meta, and MediaWiki, by the way. Eman 235 / talk  02:57, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Any word on the inaccessible talk page? Steel1943  (talk) 03:07, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, it's fixed now. Legoktm (talk) 07:35, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the redirect now be deleted, ?  Ana  r  chyte   07:50, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope, it should stay here for incoming links to continue working. Max Semenik (talk) 08:35, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I, and later Eman235, thought we fixed all mainspace entries at Special:WhatLinksHere/Gadget:Invention, Travel, & Adventure, but new ones keep popping up. It appears the WhatLinksHere table has to be updated after the namespace creation, and many of the articles with links haven't been processed since then. The old article had a space after the colon so previously the links would have been at Special:WhatLinksHere/Gadget: Invention, Travel, & Adventure with a space, but spaces after a namespace colon are ignored so it now gives the same result as Special:WhatLinksHere/Gadget:Invention, Travel, & Adventure without a space. Just shows how tricky new namespaces can be. There are still many mainspace links to the gadget namespace redirect in the search, and even more (piped links) in but I still wouldn't trust all links are found that way. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:38, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Have killed several more, see my last few edits. Eman 235 / talk  18:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Have killed several more, see my last few edits. Eman 235 / talk  18:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Category without parent category
Category talk:Humidity and hygrometry

The category Humidity and hygrometry has no parent category. Thanks.

Erasmus.new (talk) 16:28, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have added Category:Meteorology --Racklever (talk) 18:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

File uploading problems
Am unable to upload with Upload Wizard. Problems started yesterday. No matter what photo I choose, it never seems to finish uploading (no copy shown prior to upload as is normal). Not sure what's wrong because I tried testing files I've previously uploaded here, so it doesn't seem to be a corrupt file of mine. I am using Firefox-40.0.2 (current version of it) We hope (talk) 19:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you looked into the browser console? Ruslik_ Zero 20:06, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I just downloaded Chrone (current version) and tried to upload with it and had the same bad luck with Chrome as I'm having with Firefox. We hope (talk) 20:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Also just tested uploading a photo at Shrink Pictures. The upload went without any problem using the Firefox browser. We hope (talk) 20:46, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I just tried testing a new version of a Commons file already uploaded. The same thing happens at Commons re: the photo upload not completing as it does here (used Firefox there). We hope (talk) 20:56, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Confirmed that problem exists also in fiwiki and dewiki (Ubuntu & Firefox 39.0). I didn't find any ticket for this in Phab so i guess that somebody should create one. --Zache (talk) 07:41, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Reporting in Phabricator is welcome. Might be helpful to run UploadWizard with the debug option enabled by adding "?debug=true" at the end of the web address (after "Special:UploadWizard") and performing those steps again and checking if anything appears in your browser's JavaScript console when loading the page (more information: Firefox ≥24, Internet Explorer, Google Chrome, Apple Safari, Opera). To report the software bug to the 'Phabricator' bug tracker: See instructions How to report a bug, in this case under the project 'MediaWiki-Extensions-UploadWizard' (direct link; see the Phabricator help for account information). Thanks in advance! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 11:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Would someone with a Phabricator account please file a report on this? I've tried signing in with my user name for MediaWiki, et. al. but am being told by Phabricator that it doesn't like my user name.  Not sure what's wrong with my user name in Phabricator's opinion, but think we need to get the issue fixed as it appears to affect everyone using Upload Wizard.  Thanks! We hope (talk) 12:39, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You may need to do the things listed at Phabricator/Help. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:08, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I did that and was told my user name wasn't OK with Phabricator after that. We hope (talk) 13:11, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

@We hope, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109580 has been created in your behalf. --Ancheta Wis   (talk  &#124; contribs) 13:14, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Ancheta Wis, thank you! :-) We hope (talk) 13:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC: mass reverting when does not exist a correct form
Hi! More comments are needed at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking. It is about  vs. wikilinks. The former is less common than the latter (about 1:18). I changed 4600 pages with my bot on the basis it was a simple syntax mistake very similar to other typos I was already fixing. Later some users complained and the discussion showed that there is no consensus about this fix because apparently does not exist a "correct" form and it seems to be just a matter of style. Now a couple of users ask for a mass revert, but to me performing 4600 equally problematic edits does not seem useful to the encyclopedia. What do you think? Thanks. -- Basilicofresco  (msg) 05:27, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Help on sub-templates merging
I have developed User sand box to replace User sandbox. The new template uses Move sandbox to article, Sandbox subpages, and Create sandbox subpage to keep the code clean inside main template. Is it possible to merge the subtemplates with the main template in a clean way? Should we rename (move) the helping templates below the main template? The discussion on the usage and usefulness of the new template is here. I am sent here after these comments:. You can comment on the usefullness of the new functionality, too.·· <span style="text-shadow:#ffffff 0em 0em 0.2em,#aabbdd -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#aabbdd 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#336699"> ManosHacker 14:27, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

No redirect after history merges
After preforming a history merge using Special:MergeHistory the page you come to will say "[X] revision(s) of [page Y] successfully merged into [page Z]." How can the interface be changed so that the first article linked, in the case of my example [page Y], uses &redirect=no. This would be useful because the majority of the time with histmerges the source page ends up as a redirect to the target page. It would also conform with how the page move feature works, laid out at MediaWiki:Movepage-moved. I tried to find a similar interface page for history merges, but there doesn't seem to be one and I also couldn't find a page for it at MediaWiki, though I admit I could easily be missing it. So, my question is can someone please point me to the relevant Mediawiki/interface page? Even better if someone can make the change themselves, but if not I'll leave a request at the relevant talk page. Thanks, Jenks24 (talk) 11:34, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's MediaWiki:Mergehistory-success. We use the MediaWiki default so a search of the text in the MediaWiki namespace doesn't find it. I'm not a big fan of creating MediaWiki messages for minor changes (for example meaning we lose changes to the default message, and we deviate from other language options and other wikis), but it could certainly be done. Maybe it would be more worth it if "merged" linked to WP:HISTMERGE. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, PrimeHunter. You make a good point about losing changes to the default message, I hadn't considered that. Where would I go about getting the default message changed? I think it would would be a useful change for all wikis, no just en. And, to be clear, would changing the current code:
 * to
 * make the change I want? Should it also be made a plainlink? Or am I completely off base? Sorry about all the questions. Jenks24 (talk) 13:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The message in question is defined here. I don't know if there is some other formalized process, but I would just open a ticket requesting the change.--Anders Feder (talk) 15:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. I've opened a ticket, see phab:T109323. It's my first time doing it, so please if anyone sees something I've buggered up let me know. Jenks24 (talk) 16:01, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * An alternative way to do merge the history of page A into B would be to delete page B, then move page A to B, and finally, restore the deleted revisions of B. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware of that. This request is simply about improving Special:MergeHistory. Jenks24 (talk) 08:49, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * An alternative way to do merge the history of page A into B would be to delete page B, then move page A to B, and finally, restore the deleted revisions of B. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware of that. This request is simply about improving Special:MergeHistory. Jenks24 (talk) 08:49, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Counting list items
Is there a way to get an automatically updated count of items in a list? Perhaps something similar to PAGESINCATEGORY? In other words, if my list is the count should be 3, but should automatically become 4 if someone later adds an item to the list. Ideally I'd like to use this in conjunction with progression to track a drive. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:06, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Item
 * 2) Item
 * 3) Item
 * Template:String count is probably what you are looking for.--Snaevar (talk) 19:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Snaevar, but it looks like that counts occurrences on the whole page? It would be nice to limit it to at least single section, if that is possible - a single list would be even better. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, string count does count the whole page. I have created a new template for this, where the text is specified in a parameter instead. Demo: -> .--Snaevar (talk) 19:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Talk pages look red even after being created
For me, even though I already created the talk page of Takeshi Hirayama, when I look at the article itself, the talk page looks red, as though it had never been created. Does anyone know why this might be happening? Everymorning (talk) 20:38, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The article probably hadn't been purged yet. Sam Walton (talk) 20:40, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems to be working now. Everymorning (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Article improvements needed, but tags disappear
This is probably related to this discussion. Today I looked at an article that needed additional references. The person who wrote the article wanted to know how to get rid of that tag. I think I did it for him/her. But not in the way that person wanted.

I have IE9 and Windows Vista.

And navboxes also disappear. I managed to click on the edit button just in time after losing it, and that's only because of my slow Internet. — Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a known problem with IE9 atm. It will be fixed when someone has been able to spend enough time on the problem. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 08:32, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  13:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

cirrus search regex not working?
or am I trying to do something that I shouldn't be doing? Am I doing it wrong?

What I want to find are title parameters in cs1|2 citation templates that have the string  anywhere in them: some text http...perhaps more text. I thought that this search string would do the trick:

Find a pipe, zero or more spaces, the string 'title', zero or more spaces, an equal sign, zero or more characters that are not a pipe or closing curly brace, and the string 'http'. That should work, no? The regex works in the AWB regex tester and it works in an online regex tester, so shouldn't it work as an insource: search?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:32, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Search has limits on complexity and run time of regex searches. And i'm not sure what they are exactly. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 08:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. In the past, I've seen messages indicating that the search couldn't be completed because the search mechanism was busy but I'm not seeing that here nor any indication that the search results returned are incomplete because it ran out of time (I'm presuming of course that when the search results are truncated because of time-out, that fact is reported).
 * What is really perplexing is the failure to return results that look like this: http.... This search string:
 * finds four results, none of which are http... where there is nothing between the equal sign and the 'http' string. This search string:
 * does return about 290 results where there is nothing between the equal sign and 'http'.
 * Anyone know what the limitations on regex searches are or where those limitations are documented?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:23, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Duplicating parts of your regex as a plain text search (where possible) helps speeding up regex searches and increasing the number of results, since the regex is only applied to those pages matching the text search.  finds four articles, whereas [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=insource%3Atitle+insource%3Ahttp+insource%3A%2F%5C%7C+*title+*%3D%5B%5E%5C%7C%5C%7D%5D*http%2F  ] finds 98. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4  (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 12:26, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's good to know, thanks. Where is this documented?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There's mw:Help:CirrusSearch, which also advises to accompany regex searches with non-regex ones. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4 (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 13:54, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There's mw:Help:CirrusSearch, which also advises to accompany regex searches with non-regex ones. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4 (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 13:54, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Search and replace
Clicking on the "Find next" button in the "Search and replace" tool does not scroll to the next highlighted instance it found. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)


 * It works for me, Vector, Firefox 40.0.2, Windows Vista. What is your browser, what do you search on which page, and which instance does it not scroll to? PrimeHunter (talk) 03:16, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I use Internet Explorer 11. For example, there are many months listed in List of months by year. When editing the page and using the tool to find "January", it does not scroll to the first instance in . Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:12, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Nothing at all happens for me in IE9 on Windows Vista when I click the "Search and replace" icon after selecting "Advanced". I don't get a box with options or anything. Also, "Cite" is missing from my toolbar in IE9. The other options seem to be working, for example "Table" which produces a box with options where I can make selections and insert a table. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Malware
FYI, the page Discalsed Carmelites appears to have some sort of malware attached, at least according to Norton. Mannanan51 (talk) 02:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's most likely a false positive. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 08:27, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Problem with cite patent
I'm not sure this is the right place to ask, but... I have the tool turned on to show referencing errors. In this article, I used a patent cite. It's complaining that no one is pointing to it's REF, but there is no REF. Is the template inserting one even if I don't ask it to? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not a problem. The tool that you refer to is User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js installed in User:Maury Markowitz/common.js. uses  which has much in common with . These templates create an anchor suitable for referencing methods like WP:HARV and . The "error" message Harv error: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFAndreas_Bibl2015. is shown by User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js when it detects one of these anchors on a page that has nothing pointing to that anchor. If it bothers you, add ref (without a value) to the  but it really doesn't matter. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:51, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Images not displaying
Some images are not displaying. If I click on the blank space where the image should be, I get to the file description page; and instead of an image, this shows a blue link. Clicking that throws the browser error "Secure Connection Failed An error occurred during a connection to upload.wikimedia.org. Invalid OCSP signing certificate in OCSP response. (Error code: sec_error_ocsp_invalid_signing_cert) The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem." Firefox 40.0 -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:46, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The tech operations guys are on it. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 15:01, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not just the images for me. I can't access Wikipedia and Commons at all with Firefox (40.0.2). Armbrust The Homunculus 15:05, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I couldn't access the site at all using Firefox (apparently, OCSP is unique to Firefox), so I'm temporarily using Chrome. -- Biblioworm  (talk)  15:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * as a workaround, until WP will fix this issue, you can disable ocsp stapling in FF: enter to the address line "about:config", say "yes" to all the "are you sure" questions, feed "enable_ocsp_stapling" to the search line, and change the value to "false". remember to change it back to "true" once the bug in wikipedia is fixed (should not be long, i hope). peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 15:15, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't experienced problems in Firefox 40.0.2. I'm in Denmark, Europe if it matters. Online Certificate Status Protocol shows many browsers. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:17, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * is seems that the problem in WP is fixed - i can login now with FF with ocsp stapling enabled. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 15:19, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, now working, -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For those interested in technical background information: Please see Incident documentation/20150820-OCSP. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 18:09, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

What's up with Wikiblame?
I'm getting stuff like:

The version history of Henry_Cole_(minister) is being searched for Sedgwick as plain text 54 versions found Comparing differences in SmittysmithIII between 27 and 28 while coming from 53:XX Comparing differences in Hrafn between 14 and 15 while coming from 27:XX Comparing differences in Doug Weller between 7 and 8 while coming from 14:XX Comparing differences in Doug Weller between 3 and 4 while coming from 7:XX Comparing differences in Doug Weller between 1 and 2 while coming from 3:XX

Your search term was not found at all. Check the settings and try again. Execution time: 4 seconds

Doug — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talk • contribs) 16:45, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems to do that because the revisions in question have been RevDeleted.--Anders Feder (talk) 16:51, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Makes sense. Hrafn and I probably deleted copyvio by among others SmiitysmithIII. Thanks. Doug Weller (talk) 17:37, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Protection conflict
Is it possible to have a protection conflict, i.e. the same situation as an edit conflict except involving the page protection option instead of normal editing? Airplaneman and I just now protected The Elder Scrolls Online; the revision IDs were just eighteen apart ( and ), so it can't be possible that one protection window was saved before the second was opened. My action was first, so if this had been a normal edit, I wouldn't have gotten a warning message. Nyttend (talk) 17:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just a note that I used TW to protect, so that it may have not even opened the protection window until I input my action. In that case, the chance for a "conflict" would be miniscule. It does appear that I just overrode the older protection in this case. Airplaneman   ✈  17:24, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * So that's how Twinkle works? I've never used it and don't understand how it works.  And no complaints about the result (otherwise I'd have gone to your talk page), just curious and somewhat confused about the technical side of things.  Nyttend (talk) 17:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have occasionally seen a page's protection log that has two entries a minute apart or less, setting different expiry times or prot levels. AFAIK the latest action always overrides the earlier action(s) without warning. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:34, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Recreated content?
Seyed Mohammad Mortazavi has recently appeared and has been tagged as possibly recreated content (which it looks like). What steps should I perform to find out if it really is? Alexbrn (talk) 10:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You really can't yourself. Determining whether content is recreated requires an admin, since only admins can see deleted content. I did a cursory check myself but didn't find anything. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:16, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

New feature "Watch changes in category membership"
Hi, coming with this week’s software changes, it will be possible to watch when a page is added to or removed from a category (T9148). The feature has been requested since many years and the German community has voted it to the Top 20 most wanted features. The Software Development team at Wikimedia Deutschland is working on that wishlist since 2014. The feature was already deployed to Mediawiki.org on August 18 and it will be rolled out on Commons and other sister projects between 6-8 pm UTC today. It will be available on all Wikipedias from Thursday 20 on, likewise around 6-8 pm UTC. In this RFC-Proposal, you can find the details of the technical implementation. The feature was implemented via a new "recent changes" type for categorization. Through this, categorization will be logged and shown on the recent changes page. The categorization logg in "recent changes" is the data base for the watchlist: When you watch a category, added or removed pages from that category will be shown on the watchlist. The categorization of pages can be turned off in the watchlist preferences as well as recent changes preferences. If you have any questions or remarks about the feature, please get in touch! Bugs can be reported directly in Phabricator, just add the project “TCB-Team” to the respective task. Cheers, Birgit Müller (WMDE) (talk) 16:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Very nifty. As an aside, has en ever done a "most wanted features" vote/discussion? If not, could be a good idea. Jenks24 (talk) 17:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Coming soon: Community Tech team/Community Wishlist Survey Kaldari (talk) 17:45, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Steel1943 (talk) 01:25, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

So how does this work? I have many categories in my Watchlist, but I haven't seen any changes in my Watchlist yet. About says that we are running the version (1.26wmf19) that is supposed to have this feature, if I am reading everything right. Do I just need to be patient? – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There were problems like overflow of messages on some wikis where categories are used in another way than here. The feature has been turned off for the time being. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:57, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jenks24, Steel1943, Jonesey95, PrimeHunter and everyone - right, the feature has been turned off on August 20th. After it got deployed to the production systems it became apparent that under some special circumstances it may cause privacy issues: In case of some types of templates entries in the watchlist and recent changes were showing the IP address instead of the user name. It's good that this came to our attention so early as the developer team can start to work on a solution for this now. Many thanks to all who already tested the new feature and gave feedback on various platforms. It is a big help for the next version of this feature. Cheers, Birgit Müller (WMDE) (talk) 10:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

x1000. I hope the MediaWiki devs and the WMF keep improving watchlists to help the community better improve and manage the projects. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:59, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's unfortunate. Fixing privacy issues matters, but I'm keen to see it come back again when the bugs are ironed out. I tested it on Commons while it was still enabled and it is unbelievably useful for monitoring new media files that get uploaded to categories one has a particular interest in, or seeing new articles on topics one cares about. It makes the category system actually useful.

Transcluding special pages
A page transcluding a special page is not listed in the "What Links Here" page for the pages linked in the special page. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:18, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That is not particularly surprising since special pages are, well, special. Have you encountered a situation where this is a problem?--Anders Feder (talk) 01:26, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, for example User:GeoffreyT2000/Weeks is not listed in the "What Links Here" pages for the subpages it lists. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:36, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that is not going to work, unfortunately, though you had a nice idea. A Lua pro could possibly write you a module that does what you are trying to accomplish. --Anders Feder (talk) 01:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'm not sure how that is a problem. But indeed you can't get that page to show up in "What links here" in the subpages like that.--Anders Feder (talk) 01:48, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Special pages are special, and transcluding special pages is also special and not like transcluding a template or other wiki page. Help:What links here already says special pages themselves are not listed. It doesn't mention pages transcluding special pages but maybe it should.
 * While making some tests I found something surprising. As expected, special pages have no "What links here" link, and Special:WhatLinksHere does not have "Special" as an option in the namespace selection. But if I enter "Special:RecentChanges" in the name field then it gives a single entry Topic:S1tjxiprhu4pq210, also seen when clicking the manually made link Special:WhatLinksHere/Special:RecentChanges. I suspect it's a bug that Topic pages can be listed for special pages, but the listed Topic pages do have the link. Special:WhatLinksHere/Special:Preferences has five Topic pages and the quaint Special:WhatLinksHere/Special:WhatLinksHere has one. I don't think these WhatLinksHere are supposed to return anything. Lots of normal wiki pages link to those special pages without being listed. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:19, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well-spotted; reported at T109814. — This, that and the other (talk) 07:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Odd disambiguation message on Amy (film)
The article for the new film on Amy Winehouse (2015), Amy (film) is giving an odd message when even simple edits are attempted, could someone look at it: "Warning: Amy (2015 film) is calling Template:Cite news with more than one value for the "title" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used." MusicAngels (talk) 16:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I assume you mean: Amy (2015 film)? The disambiguation page, Amy (film), is not related to the error.--Anders Feder (talk) 16:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed thusly.--Anders Feder (talk) 16:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Change the way discussion pages work
I think giving answers on all discussion pages should work the same way as replying to a comment in http://www.kurzweilai.net/ask-ray-how-can-my-consciousness-survive-indefinitely, whether it's a talk page, Articles for deletion page, reference desk, tea house or Village pump. That way, there will probably be no more edit conflicts and no more people making a mistake and using 2 colons instead of 1 like in Village pump (technical)/Archive 122. Once that change gets made, it would enable Wikipedia to make another change of making every signed in user get notified every time any of their comments get a reply whether they're pinged or not. Writing an individual comment should still use source editing anyway. Blackbombchu (talk) 21:05, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's on the way. Sam Walton (talk) 21:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Proposal for articles display on mobile web
Hello Folks,

Apologies for spamming the VP :). There are proposed design changes for how the lead section of the article could be displayed on mobile web. The rationale and specifics of the change are elaborated on mediawiki page.  Please check and add your suggestions to the talk page. Thanks Melamrawy (WMF) (talk) 23:49, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Have you informed Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility and also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility? Some of these proposals - such as moving the disambiguation links away from the very start - have accessibility implications. -- Red rose64 (talk) 07:33, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I posted it to both of those pages. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I noticed that the mobile version doesnt display the template boxes at the bottom of the page. For an example have a look at Honiara. Phenss (talk) 03:40, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Unrelated. The non-display of navboxes on mobile is a long-standing known problem. There is plenty in the archives of this page and also Template talk:Navbox. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:33, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Watchlist button "Mark all as visited" missing
For the last 10-20 minutes, the button in my watchlist to mark all listed pages as visited has disappeared (Windows XP, FF 39, vector skin, desktop). Switching to monobook and clearing my cache didn't help. Just a wild guess, but did someone tinker with the watchlist layout again? GermanJoe (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, you're right, it was there five minutes ago! Win7, IE9, Vector. Eman 235 / talk  18:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Likely related to this change to the gadgets: (found via ). Matma Rex talk 19:00, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, that was my initial attempt to fix it; the button disappeared before that. Didn't work though as listing  as a dependency does not work. I had to revert to using  . The real issues lies within Resource Loader, where  made some changes that affects loading site CSS (and where another side effect is that site and user CSS is loaded twice). I'd really like to hear how I can force proper CSS dependencies between site/gadgets from him.   19:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Adding this to your user CSS should fix it:
 * Gorobay (talk) 19:11, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, works for me. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:15, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For me too, thank you for the workaround. Pinging too, about the underlying problem with the last change. GermanJoe (talk) 19:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For me too, thank you for the workaround. Pinging too, about the underlying problem with the last change. GermanJoe (talk) 19:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Update
I move all watchlist-related styling to gadgets, but caching may not catch up, so the button may be missing for five more minutes maximum. 21:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's working again for me now without any custom CSS changes. BethNaught (talk) 21:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Could be related or not, but the watchlist no longer shows "with a green marker" in the "Pages that have been changed since you last visited them..." message. That should probably be fixed. &mdash; Dsimic (talk &#124; contribs) 23:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * As of your making that change, I'm now seeing article links in my watchlist as bold, even though I did not have that option enabled in preferences. Someguy1221 (talk) 23:28, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope, fixed now. I guess the cache caught up, or whatever. Someguy1221 (talk) 23:28, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm still seeing bold titles in my watchlist. I also don't have that option enabled in preferences, and it has yet to fix itself on my end. --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Bypass your cache if you're still seeing bold items.  10:56, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm also seeing bold titles in my watchlist, even though I don't have that option selected. Bypassing my cache didn't seem to help.  It also says near the top of the page "Pages that have been changed since you last visited them are shown in bold with a green marker."  I have neither option selected, and it isn't displaying the green marker while that option is off.  If I turn on the green marker option, then the bolding goes away, and the green marker is displayed.  However, if I then turn the green marker back off, the bolding comes back.  So basically it is the combination of having green marker off and bolding off that isn't working correctly for me. Calathan (talk) 14:58, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have the same problem and it is not a browser cache issue. Not only have I bypassed the cache, but I tried it on a fresh browser with an empty cache and the problem persists. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 15:19, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Confirmed. Trying to resolve it now.  15:39, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm stumped., I really need your help: why isn't WatchlistBase gadget loaded when both others are off? It should load!  16:04, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems I can't hide a default gadget... is that be design?  16:17, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The current implementation of "hidden" had as original use case to allow modules to be registered that can be used as dependencies without being visible in the user preferences. As example, think about a jQuery plugin or other generic software utilities. (Which other gadgets would use as dependency.) This matches the implementation of the "rights" flag in that the enabled status (default, or user preferences) is not considered unless a module is visible to the user. As such you cannot enable a gadget by default that is invisible (through the rights or hidden flags). It also makes it possible for you to have a gadget that is enabled by default, and yet only applied to users with a certain right (e.g. provide a gadgets to users with "delete" right, and load by default). I wouldn't defend it as a design, but it is the expected behaviour currently. I imagine users may also prefer the current implementation because it means the site cannot sneakily load stuff without providing a way to opt-out. Krinkle (talk) 16:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Whatever change you guys have made since this morning, it seems to have fixed the bolding issue for me. Thanks! A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 16:48, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For me it has still a minor problem (I have all watchlist gadgets except the "bolding" one activated). New entries in the watchlist are bolded for a second, when an actualized watchlist is loaded for the first time, and then immediately unbolded. I think, this behaviour is new (but am not entirely sure). It would be better, if styles from an unchecked gadget would not be applied at all. But as the styling is reset immediately, it's really no big issue - just mentioning it, as you are currently looking on this aspect of the watchlist anyway. GermanJoe (talk) 17:18, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm having the same problem as GermanJoe and can confirm it's a new 'issue'. As noted, it's very minor, but if there's an easy fix that would be nice. Jenks24 (talk) 17:32, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Me too, it began yesterday. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:48, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note that the bold is the software default; the gadget unbolds it. This used to be done in Common.css until yesterday. But since I saw load order issues, I took Common.css out of the loop. I did load the gadget using 'top' so the styling is loaded as early as possible. But I will have to rethink it all now that I know that hidden default gadgets is not an option. ( I wish that 'hidden' just does what it implies; just hide it.)  19:55, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * From what I remember "hidden" is not a feature yet (T33150). It is part of Gadgets 2.0. The "|hidden|rights=hidden" trick is just a temporary hack until the real feature is backported to the master branch of the extension. Helder 23:40, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Just as a reminder, there's still no "with a green marker" in the "Pages that have been changed since you last visited them..." watchlist message. &mdash; Dsimic (talk &#124; contribs) 21:27, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Everything gets bolded and then un-bolded. Very annoying. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:47, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Cite tool fails
The Cite button in RefToolbar/2.0 currently fails for me in both Firefox 40.0.2 and Chrome 44.0. For all four cite options (web, news, book, journal) I get a box with only a heading like "Web citation" and five buttons in a row starting with "Insert". There is no other text and no fields. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I am also getting this exact issue. Cepiolot (talk) 00:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Same here. Melonkelon (talk) 00:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Agh, I've spent the last hour trying to debug this because I assumed that I had broken it somehow with something in my extensions (both wikipedia and/or browser). The issue appears to be that it can't find ".cite-template" within the selected portion of the form it creates, it's not getting injected where it wants it, although I'm not quite sure what's responsible for injecting that into pages, hence the amount of time spent digging around looking for that... I should have just looked here first, but oh well, at least this was interesting. Garzfoth (talk) 01:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks PrimeHunter for raising the topic here. Just checked now and still isn't fixed. Frustrating!--Shreerajtheauthor (talk) 03:53, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just logging the same problem, and confirming that it also doesn't work on Safari.Klbrain (talk) 13:19, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

So the issue seems to basically be related to the ResourceLoader updates (to 2.0), the gadgets namespace stuff, and the push for all plugins/gadgets/whatever to use async only (all tied together though). Loooooong story short, the entire script needs to be reviewed and patched for compatibility, which could be difficult given that there are now new issues with load order of dependencies and other fun stuff. On the bright side, I was able to eventually figure out how to roughly patch things for the time being via a somewhat-hackish workaround. I don't know how long it'll be until refToolbar is patched side-wide, but if you're like me and can't live without it, you can see what I did at User:Garzfoth/common.js, starting after the line "// AYYYY JAVASCRIPT. *sobs*", with the last line being "} // End of code loaded only on edit" (do not exclude this line, you may exclude any comments after this line though). If you want to test/use it, disable refToolbar in prefs first. Garzfoth (talk) 09:51, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

If no one gets around to it before me, i'll investigate this after work. no earlier than 16:00 UTC —Th e DJ (talk • contribs)
 * I love you for this Deku-shrub (talk) 18:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

The issue was raised at phabricator, but was redirected to this page because this is a script/gadget issue rather than something more core. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109781

Here's my screenshot for reference: https://i.imgur.com/nLwwL36.png

Deku-shrub (talk) 18:36, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm getting the same issues as everyone else. Both IE 11 and Firefox 40.0.2. — Maile  (talk) 19:25, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Right, I sort of understand now why this is happening I think. It's not a quick fix unfortunately. I'm gonna export everything to test.wikipedia.org so i can experiment a bit. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 19:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Found the cause of the problem I think: If an admin could please fulfill: MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-refToolbarBase.js —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 21:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This was caused by a change in WikiEditor (one that I actually approved). The change made an assumption that was understandable in the context of the plugin, but it turned out that Reftoolbar was following a different assumption. For such a simple root cause, it took quite a bit of time to figure out where this was coming from. Ref toolbar sure is complicated... ticket, new change. A temporary workaround has been deployed locally on English Wikipedia. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 22:30, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It works. — Maile  (talk) 22:31, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Template use
Is it possible to search for those pages/articles, which have some defined template used more than once (for example, coord)? I don't care if template is used 2 or 123456 times, just used more that once. No, looking at each page isn't an option. Regex? -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 15:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, searching for that is possible using: "insource:/\{\{coord.*\{\{coord/ hastemplate:coord".--Snaevar (talk) 17:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Have problems with spaces :) Could you give an example for authority control? -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 05:40, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

WebM video
Hello, I have compiled and uploaded a video to commons using WebM - standard defaults to get the file under 100meg. I linked it to this page Laulasi_Island

For some reason the thumbnail is not displaying properly. Can somone please help

Phenss (talk) 22:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Two things.
 * First, and more importantly, if you look at the file page for page 1, you can see that the jobs to convert it to a smaller size have failed. It's not immediately obvious why. Will poke.
 * Second, using  makes it worse as that's not even a thumbnail size generated for videos.
 * Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 23:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Update: The problem is that video uses the VP9 codecs, and right now our infrastructure is only supporting VP8 WebM videos. However, we're testing VP9 this weekend and if it works out we'll enable it next week or so. Sorry! Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 01:08, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I specifically downloaded this plugin for Premier Pro CS5.5 http://www.fnordware.com/WebM/ and followed your instructions here []

Unfortunately there weren't any settings stating VP8 only. Anyway if you have no luck please consider updating the help page. I will keep it there as its too difficult to rerender with different codecs and the originals are now deleted. Cheers Phenss (talk) 03:35, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Search problem
Hi, there appears to be a problem with search. Searching for '"the the" lancashire' returns 96 results but when you click on the next 20 link you end up with 10,603 results which appears to include non-adjacent uses of the word "the". Keith D (talk) 22:51, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It works for me. Entering  in the search box gives me https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22the+the%22+lancashire&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go which says "Results 1 - 20 of 95". Clicking "next 20" gives me https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=20&offset=20&profile=default&search=%22the+the%22+lancashire which says "Results 21 - 40 of 95". What url's do you get and what do you see at mine? Does it work when you log out? What is your browser and skin? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:32, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like it must have been a glitch as appears to be working now. Keith D (talk) 20:25, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Downcasing button has vanished
A few weeks ago I found that the square button that for years had appeared on the left side above the edit-mode menu (i.e. just above the bold and italics buttons) had disappeared. Does anyone know who did this? Tony  (talk)  02:30, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know the button. Did it have text we could search for? Maybe it was added by something in User:Tony1/vector.js or User:Tony1/monobook.js. What is your skin and browser? Which RefToolbar version at RefToolbar do you have? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:40, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Accessing personal js. skin
I haven't been to the Village Pump Technical section for years, so I hope I am doing this correctly. Also, I can't remember how to access my js. personal skin to edit at least one script there. Could someone please remind me how to access my personal js. skin? Thanks in advance. I am using the latest Google Chrome browser and recently updated to Windows 10. Steve Quinn (talk) 03:07, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * New posts go at the bottom so I moved your post. Click "Preferences" at top of any page and then click the "Appearance" tab. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for moving my post to the bottom, and thanks for the tip on how to access my .js skin. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 04:01, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Lak language interwikis
Mouse over most of the babel links at Chechen Wikipedia, and you get the article name in the other language and the English name of the language in question; for example, mousing over தமிழ் gives you இலகு மொழி – Tamil. The exception is Лакку, which presumably should say Мичихичнал мазрал Википедия – Lak, but instead it says Мичихичнал мазрал Википедия – Лакку. Do we know why it's different, and if this is intentional? Nyttend (talk) 13:25, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * also returns "лакку". Presumably "лакку" is stored as the English name of the Lak language within mw:Extension:CLDR, which contains all language exonyms. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4 (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 14:10, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've downloaded the Unicode data which the extension mirrors, and the XML file with the English names does not include a name for  (the ISO 639 code of Lak). Not having an English name to display, the functions using the extension probably fall back to the name in Lak itself. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4  (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 14:35, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * How does that get changed? Do we file a Phabricator request?  Or is this something that can't be changed without modifying the core MW software itself?  Nyttend (talk) 20:13, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably by having the English name added to Unicode's CLDR data. Phabricator has a tag for tasks concerning the CLDR extension, but there are no tasks about the translations themselves with the tag. The page at CLDR links to the CLDR bug tracker at Unicode's website, which doesn't seem to require registration for requesting simple changes. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4 (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 21:25, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Infobox editing
I'm trying to edit the article "Bongaigaon". I want to correct a spelling error in the infobox - there is a reference to "Chilarai Indor Games Stadium" and I want to correct it to "Chilarai Indoor Games Stadium". When I preview, the following message appears at the top:

Warning:Bongaigaon  is calling Template:Infobox settlement with more than one value for the "blank5_name_sec2" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used.

Warning:Bongaigaon  is calling Template:Infobox settlement with more than one value for the "blank5_info_sec2" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used.

Can anyone help? 86.159.14.119 (talk) 12:29, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * There were two duplicate parameter names. I fixed it.  12:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect email notification - "A page you created was linked on Wikipedia"
My bot BattyBot just received an email notification with a title of "A page you created was linked on Wikipedia" stating "College Unions Poetry Slam Invitational was linked from College Union Poetry Slam Invitational." BattyBot edited College Unions Poetry Slam Invitational when it was a user sandbox page, but did not create the page. Anyone know how to give credit to the true creator, and how to prevent errors like this in the future? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:02, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * User:MusikAnimal made a history merge of College Unions Poetry Slam Invitational (with s in Unions) and College Union Poetry Slam Invitational. History merges can be complicated and it involved deleting and restoring revisions. It can be tricky to figure out which revisions were deleted and restored but [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=College+Unions+Poetry+Slam+Invitational] says "18 revisions restored", and there are currently 15 live edits before BattyBot. I guess there was a time during the process where BattyBot made the oldest visible edit in the page history, and that caused a notification. It's not perfect but it doesn't seem worth spending developer time on it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:38, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep! Special:MergeHistory couldn't do what I needed, so I ended up having to delete the target page, move the original to the new location, and selectively restore revisions. Sorry for the confusion, admittedly if I had done it correctly the first time around this wouldn't have happened &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:47, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Refill tool
When using the refill tool in Internet Explorer, it says that it has been modified to prevent cross-site scripting. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:45, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You might be interested in User:Zhaofeng Li/reFill #3. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 02:12, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * MediaWiki Bug T34013 — Dispenser 02:25, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

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YouTube citation template and direction to the right YouTube channel
I have used video from the YouTube channel AfterBuzz TV in three articles, and I have used the YouTube citation template in my ref tag to cite my source fully. Recently, I checked the citation to see if it directed me to the right YouTube channel. Instead of directing me to AfterBuzz TV's channel, the template directs me to AfterBuzz's channel. How can I correct the issue? SciGal (talk) 14:22, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I tried urlencoding the parameter within Template:YouTube; however, both and  link to non-existing channels. The URL of the channel you're looking for is actually "AfterBuzzTV", so you should be using   (resulting in "") for the link. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4  (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 14:36, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll try it.'SciGal (talk) 17:34, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It works. Thanks again.SciGal (talk) 17:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Search box
When searching in the search box, sometimes deleted pages are shown, for example, when searching for categories whose names begin with "Proposed deletion as of". GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:24, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The search gives no deleted categories so I guess you mean the autocomplete function if   is written in the search box without making a search. It gives me seven existing categories plus Category:Proposed deletion as of 11 May 2015, Category:Proposed deletion as of 12 May 2015, Category:Proposed deletion as of 13 May 2015. They were deleted within two minutes 21 May 2015 so I guess there was a period where deletions were not registered by autocomplete. I don't know how long the period was or whether there are other periods. It would be more serious if the content of deleted pages was shown in search result pages (that once happened). PrimeHunter (talk) 04:24, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

How to italicize article name?
Looking for someone to italicize At the Abyss, an article about a book. I have no idea how to do it. Thanks! - Location (talk) 03:14, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have added italic title. Some infoboxes like Infobox book do it automatically but without one of these it must be done manually. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:21, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Got it. I wondered why some book articles were italicized. Thanks! - Location (talk) 04:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Fixing a table
The table out of the 8.0.2 part is completely whacked but I can't tell how to fix it because that particular table is extremely complex, and I'm in way over my head with this. hbdragon88 (talk) 01:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IOS_version_history&diff=677254566&oldid=677138402] I reverted a couple of bad changes in the page history. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:21, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * thank you kindly. hbdragon88 (talk) 03:24, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * hbdragon88, now that the table structure has been fixed, if you need to edit the contents of the table, then you might want to try WP:VisualEditor. Opt in at Special:Preferences, "Edit" the page, and double-click to enter a cell.  Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:35, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Animated GIFs
Contrary to accessibility advice at Manual of Style/Accessibility, I see number of articles with looping animated GIFs.

Is it possible to control this in the  markup? If not, is it technically possible to add the necessary code? Or is the only option to edit the source file? Do we have a template to tag files needing this modification? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:46, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * In order: No. Presumably. Presently. Not that I know of. Larger comment: The rationale for "keeping them short" is the "decorative" piece? That's obnoxious and quite out of line with how WP uses AGIFs. As for control functions, those might be valuable, but certainly need developer time. I would strongly advise against any mass editing of source files (or quite frankly, any editing in such a fashion); at least one AGIF I know of is a featured image both here and at Commons. --Izno (talk) 14:48, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If somebody would need to track them down (for tagging), then probably it should be quite easy. Especially, if something in image table says, that GIF is animated. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 16:35, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, both.

The wording to which you refer is:

"To be accessible, an animation (GIF – Graphics Interchange Format) should either:


 * not exceed a duration of five seconds (which results in making it a purely decorative element), or
 * be equipped with control functions (stop, pause, play)"

Which allows for the way we use them, as - effectively - short videos.

How are these "control functions" achieved? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Browser GIF controls were theoretical when . There's a library that parses and renders with Canvas (a hack).   Since the images are served from another domain the script won't work.  Also, there's an extension to start and stop GIFs since Firefox dropped halting animation  with ESC.  That browser's progressing into irrelevance.  A Chromium extension intercepts traffic to freeze GIF, with a reload to animate them again.
 * Additionally, I wrote a database report of GIF problems 2 years ago after finding a GIF with exploit code (then got banned for looking for warez in images). It lists non-looping animations, animations over 2 minutes, weird slowdowns, and frozen thumbnails.  — Dispenser 00:19, 24 August 2015 (UTC) — Dispenser 02:22, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

What does duration have to do with something being "purely decorative" ? P.S. I recently wrote a proof of concept of a GIF 'player' https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/216538/ It's one of those things that's simple, but also much more work than you'd expect. There are so many ways in which you can add controls, and so many ways in which gifs are used on Wikipedia... —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 13:37, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I suspect that's referencing the day and age when ing was common... --Izno (talk) 13:53, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

That guideline seems a inappropriate for WP and the way animated GIFs are used here. It links to a W3.org guideline, Setting animated gif images to stop blinking after n cycles (within 5 seconds), which seems aimed at distracting adverts/banners that have justly gotten a bad reputation. Many of our animations are longer, including some high quality even featured ones. The one at Sieve of Eratosthenes for example. It could be done as a video but that would make it much less accessible. It certainly could not be done in five seconds.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 13:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah now I see. Please don't take w3 guidelines as holy grails. Our usages often go so much further then anyone ever thought of in a steering committee. Starting point should always be: "Does my usage match the usage that wcag designed this criteria for", not "how do I shove my usage into something that matches the criteria". —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 15:29, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The WCAG guidelines were not written by "a steering committee". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:30, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 'working group' then. Same thing. And yes I'm intentionally trying to trivialize their importance, because often people take such standards and body's as a reason to stop thinking for themselves. However much like Wikipedia, they are a starting point, not the end station. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 06:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If it were a video, it would have a pause/ stop control. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:32, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, if it were a video, then it would have a pause or stop control. But if it were a video, then it would also work on fewer computers.   "Not working for people with older computers or the 'wrong' browsers" is also an accessibility issue.
 * The feature request that you want is at T85838. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:49, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Space between the lines in punctuated lists
Space between the lines in punctated lists is different in case of using  *  or  :* . See Glosa for example. I think the style (the view of the list) is "corrupted" because of that. --Janezdrilc (talk) 18:28, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You are mxing different types of lists, unordered and difinition lists. As each new list has some top margin, nesting a different type of list will show that top margin.  17:04, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I fixed it for you. This is probably also a good time to remind people that when you reply to comments in talk-page discussions, that you should match the style of the comment above yours.  The correct reply to "* Comment" is "** Reply", not "::Reply".  WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:52, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Or more accurately, copy the existing combination of asterisks, colons and hashes, then add one symbol to the right of those. Thus, a  may be replied to using either   or   but not   or   -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:49, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Orphan references
Hello, since a few days, I've noticed that in my Safari browser, many articles are suddenly displayed in a way which leaves references orphan (not the correct typographical term, "widow" would be more accurate, but still incorrect). Here is a typical display:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet. [0]

I believe that so far, the reference could not go to the next line alone. This seems not to be happening only on en.wikipedia.org, but on other wikipedias, and it can be even more shocking on others. For instance, on fr.wikipedia.org, not only the reference can be displayed as orphan, but the final period too. In French typography, the reference comes before final period, so suddenly displays like these are happening:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet [0].

Or much worse, with the final period being displayed as orphan:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet[0] .

Did something change which allowed display to break the association between reference and final period, and also between reference and last word? It seems so.

Vincent Lextrait (talk) 16:06, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just checked, it is doing the same on Chrome Version 44.0.2403.155 (64-bit), and Internet Explorer 10.28614.1072077. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 16:09, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please give examples of pages where this is occurring. Also, does it occur on all refs, or only those that are close to the right-hand edge?
 * BTW is invalid - valid tags for linebreaks are  and  (where the space is optional). -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:00, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Examples will not work, it depends on the geometry of your screen. Just select randomly a few articles, and scroll to see references pushed alone to the next line. After 4/5 articles and a couple of minutes, you should see examples by yourself. The break directive I am using is completely unrelated to the problem. I am just using it to show you the rendering on the screen of bogus display of references. The cases I see are always on the right-hand edge, if they weren't, the reference would not be alone on the next line... Vincent Lextrait (talk) 22:31, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Obviously, the reason Redrose64 asks is because they are not experiencing any problems with the elements you are referring to. Some CSS could conceivably have changed, but I don't find it surprising that characters close to the end of a line on the screen would be wrapped to the next line.--Anders Feder (talk) 23:00, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. I believe anybody trying to look for it will find it quickly. I am not the only one reporting this, and there is no answer so far. Pushing references alone to the next line is not correct. Pushing a solitary period on the next line is not either. There is a (new) bug somewhere, probably due to some ill tested code, either at CSS level or at html generation level. I do not know where to reach the folks in charge. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 23:05, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For periods, I agree that the preceding word should normally be wrapped as well. But it may prove difficult to debug as long as we can't reproduce it.--Anders Feder (talk) 23:17, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not just for periods, the entire sequence word-period-reference is unbreakable (or on French wikipedia word-reference-period). It used to be like that, it's just recently that something broke it. I can try to find an article where you see it, but it's the person fixing it who needs to see it. Try, without any warranty British_Raj, second paragraph, first reference. Unlikely that you see it too, I guess, as the layout is screen-dependent. In any case, it takes just a few minutes browsing through articles and looking for the anomaly to find it. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 23:25, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * We often fix issues collaboratively. I have tried both British_Raj and about 20 instances of Special:Random and have also tried changing the browser zoom level up and down, but I get no solitary citations or periods. We'll need to wait and see if anyone else comes closer.--Anders Feder (talk) 23:39, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Very interesting, thanks. I tried to force CSS reload, it didn't change anything. An example on fr.wikipedia.org: fr:Indonésie, I see the period after the first reference pushed as a widow on the next line (Safari Version 8.0.8 (10600.8.9) on Yosemite, new window, with default size. Same problem with Chrome Version 44.0.2403.155 (64-bit), Yosemite again, the period is pushed alone). Again, no warranty that you see the same. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 23:41, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * An example with Internet Explorer 10.28614.1072077, Windows 8.1 (not even the same Operating System): fr:Indonésie, third reference pushed alone on the next line. I see it all over the place, en.wikipedia.org, or fr.wikipedia.org, any browser, any operating system, in a few clicks. Am amazed that you do not see it. Try very large pages, random pages are very very small on average. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 23:52, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

I happen to be using Safari browser/iPad 1 and do not see the problem anywhere, let alone on the British Raj page cited. Can I determine one thing? Is this problem appearing in main articles, or in their edit screens? Akld guy (talk) 00:26, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Any type of "main" article (you have to try a few large ones, 4 or 5 and scroll to the bottom), all browsers that I tried (3 of them), all operating systems I tried (OS X Yosemite, Windows 8). I never tried the edit screens. Just on the article France, it is happening 4 times for me. 3 times on the article electron. 5 times on United States. 6 times on homeopathy. 7 times on acupuncture. 11 times on China. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 00:32, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The significance of my pointing out which browser & OS I'm using is that since 2012 there have been no updates of any kind to either, so a bug at Wikipedia might be ruled out on that basis. Akld guy (talk) 00:55, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I see on my iPad running iOS 8.4.1 and Safari a reference separated from the previous word and thrown on the next line 11 times on China. 2 times it is alone on its line. And on fr.wikipedia.org fr:Los Angeles, you can see on the same version of iOS (no screen geometry issue in the middle, so everybody can reproduce it), that the last period is thrown alone on the next line. All this is new, it didn't happen in the past, something changed in the rendering process which broke references rendering. I am utterly surprised nobody is able to see what I see... Vincent Lextrait (talk) 01:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

I seem able to reproduce your issue on this page on frwiki: screenshot. I count two occurrences of such solitary periods on that page. (But I have not experienced it on enwiki.)--Anders Feder (talk) 02:19, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Aaaaah, very good, I was starting to believe I was delusional, I saw the issue everywhere, and nobody saw it anywhere... ;-) On en.wikipedia, it is slightly different. The source of the issue is that a reference can suddenly now be separated from a word next to it or from a period next to it. So on en.wikipedia, the consequence is that references can be isolated from the preceding period (and its preceding word), and thrown on the following line. Occurrences of this are everywhere, and very ugly. Understanding what broke references rendering for fr.wikipedia will give the explanation for en.wikipedia. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 02:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I went to Special:Random and tried adjusting the width of my browser window, and was able to get a screenshot of what Vincent describes on the first attempt. It's at File:Screenshot of reference wrapping problem on enwiki.png. Vincent, is this what you are seeing at the English Wikipedia as well? — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 03:11, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly! Vincent Lextrait (talk) 04:07, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not positive, but I think that this might always have been how references have wrapped on enwiki. I also suspect that the exact behaviour may depend on your browser. (For the record, my screenshot was taken using Chrome on Windows 7.) Perhaps others here can give a better explanation of why the reference wraps the way it does in that example. — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 05:30, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as far as I know it has always been this way. On en.wp, the period will always be connecting to the word, browsers enforce this in their line breaking algorithms, but the ref counts as a 'new word' and is allowed to be put on the next line (and this is what is different on fr.wp btw, because there they put the period behind the ref, creating two line break candidates instead of one).  The Word joiner character could perhaps help here, but it would also not allow for any break in a row of references, which might also look weird, and lead to unexpected results when people try to copy paste parts of articles for usage outside of Wikipedia. It seems to be rare enough that not too many people complain about it however. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 06:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You might be right, but I have a hard time believing it. This implementation causes final periods to be ejected as solitary on the final line of a paragraph on fr.wikipedia.org. I've been on that wikipedia almost 9 years, I would have noticed it. It is not very frequent, but easily noticeable (cf. Anders Feder's post above. He could find instances of the issue fairly easily). Ejecting a solitary period is not just weird, it is incorrect. Reports like mine started to arise only recently. Also, separating references from the preceding word on en.wikipedia.org is not rare at all, as explained above, I see it 11 times on China for instance. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 14:54, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It has always been like this. I remember such a discussion years ago. Browsers may occasionally change their behaviour, which may spark another discussion. One thing we tried (and which is still active) is the CSS rule . But that does not affect any preceding content, so it is still allowed to wrap. (But it will group multiple references and not break between them.) We have simply no control here because in CSS, there is no way to select preceding content.   17:18, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I trust you, I am stunned! I understand the difficulty to manage this at CSS level, but why not at html generation level? It seems quite doable. Putting a nobr directive around the last word, the period and the reference prevents the reference to be thrown on the next line. So technically there does not seem to be any hurdle, only if the update is kept at mere CSS level. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The <nobr ></nobr> element (HTML doesn't have "directives") is a non-starter. It was never a formal part of the W3C Recommendations for HTML, and its first mention in those docs came in HTML5 where it was marked as obsolete, with no indication of what it did or how to achieve the same effect by legit means. The [//www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/nobr W3C Wiki] says "No, really. don't use it." It was probably only provided by a small number of browser vendors and so like <marquee ></marquee> or <blink ></blink> never became universal. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:35, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I was not referring to html nobr, but to the wiki nobr template, which allows to prevent throwing the reference on a separate line. It works fine, so it shows it is technically possible to avoid the issues I reported, with proper html rendering (just like nobr is able to). Anyway, the bug is now confirmed, and the code fallen back. As it turns out, "it has always been like this" and "code did not change" were both wrong. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 01:48, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking at a 2013 html-level archive page for the China article:, it is obvious there is not a single solitary reference. It really seems something has changed... Vincent Lextrait (talk) 17:55, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's always been this way. I can't reproduce it from your examples today, but I've seen it in the past.  User:Gadget850 (who retired a month ago, and whom I miss) had looked into it a few years ago, to determine whether a non-breaking thin space could be used to keep the ref element associated with the previous word.  I don't recall the outcome, but it will probably be in the archives of WT:CITE.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:03, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

I apologize, I was mistaken. There has been a change, and the change has already been undone, it undo just hasn't reached wikipedia yet. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 21:07, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I confirm, I do not see the issue any longer anywhere! Pheew, that has been some work! Thanks a lot to whoever fixed it. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 23:44, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, very strange. I never at any time saw the problem and I'm using the original iPad of 2010 with iOS 5.1.1 and Safari 5 browser. Note that it has been impossible to update the OS and browser for this original iPad since 2012. This implies that whatever problem was seen was not due to a Wikipedia bug but was due to some update pushed out to users, perhaps as part of the Windows 10 upgrade process. Akld guy (talk) 00:46, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not sure how you reach that conclusion. It could have been due to some change on Wikipedia that only affected some browsers, but not the one you are using.--Anders Feder (talk) 00:54, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, this problem, as described, is such a basic formatting issue that I thought it would be sure to show up in my iPad. Secondly, nobody initially saw the problem except the user who reported it, and then subsequently users did begin to see it, implying that an update was being progressively pushed out to more and more users. Akld guy (talk) 01:12, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And to emphasize the point, note that the OP said in his very first words that he had been seeing the problem for days, quote, 'since a few days'. Akld guy (talk) 01:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Nobody initially saw the problem because 1) they were using an unaffected browser or 2) they had not previously noticed a problem themselves.--Anders Feder (talk) 01:41, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Exactly. And I believe all this is due to 2), as I tried most browsers available on the market (the only one I did not try is Firefox), on different machines, different operating systems and different accounts. I was able to see the issue everywhere fairly easily. You just needed to look hard enough. I do not buy at all the idea of the update progressively pushed to users. Several users have seen this for weeks, it is not a transitory thing at all, it has been there for a long time for everybody to see. Vincent Lextrait (talk) 01:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Most users have not reported any problem, and I had to go to frwiki to encounter it, so it was almost certainly limited to some particular "Bermuda triangle" combination of browser and browser version, CSS, and formatting of the wikitext.--Anders Feder (talk) 02:01, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Patrol log
Since May this year, edits to pages under pending-changes protection are appearing in an editor's Patrol log as well as in Review log (example: all the entries with "automatically marked"). As I understand it there is an error here, as the top of that same page states Only newly created pages can be marked as patrolled. Can this be fixed, so that the two different types of contribution can be distinguished in the logs? <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b> (talk),  17:04, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Spaces not displayed in Punto Fijo (album)
The first paragraph of Punto Fijo (album) is displayed without spaces that are present in the source. The sentence without is
 * Punto Fijo (from Spanish: Fixed Point; also transcribed as "Axis mundi") is the second studio album by Slovak vocalist Szidi Tobias released on BMG Ariola in 2003.

which should display as
 * Punto Fijo (from Spanish: Fixed Point; also transcribed as "Axis mundi") is the second studio album by Slovak vocalist Szidi Tobias released on BMG Ariola in 2003.

But it actually displays as
 * Punto Fijo(from Spanish: Fixed Point; also transcribed as "Axis mundi") is the second studio album by SlovakvocalistSzidi Tobias  released on BMGAriola  in 2003.

I see this using Firefox, logged in, and Internet Explorer, not logged in. This has persisted for at least several hours.—Anomalocaris (talk) 18:07, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I see it too. It seems Extra album cover is to blame; it was placed outside the infobox. Anyway, it was empty, so I removed it.  18:39, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 18:49, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The template is only for use inside tables (infoboxes are tables) - if used outside, you get some bare <tr ></tr> elements, and I have found that even a single bare <tr ></tr>, with nothing inside, it will cause the effect described above. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:19, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Charinsert gadget changes
What's happened to the charinsert gadget? Everything's more spaced out, and with "Wiki markup" selected, it occupies four lines instead of three; and the mouse move from <code ></code> to <nowiki ></nowiki> (often used in combination) is now half the screen width where previously it was two inches. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:53, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like h-padding was increased [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-charinsert-core.css&curid=37112214&diff=677830619&oldid=659505252 Diff]. I agree, some menus are now "too wide" for my taste while some others appear a bit more "organized" compared to before the change. I'm still hoping for booklet/loading improvements to [at least] WikiEditor so each project can easily customize their own default character sets site-wide in conjunction with the ability for individual Users to add or remove to that site-wide default as needed -- eliminating the need for such a gadget once and for all in the process. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:06, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, Edokter increased the padding in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-charinsert-core.css&diff=677830619&oldid=659505252]. <code ></code> and <nowiki ></nowiki> were and still are far from each other on the same long line which may wrap for some users at some window widths to randomly display them close to each other on different lines. At MediaWiki talk:Edittools/Archive 8 I made a suggestion which got no replies. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, this edit restores previous appearance. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:24, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Underline links always
I've had Special:Preferences set for some time now. At first I thought it was normal behavior when colored links tags would not apply to the link's underline, so I went through the ordeal of using separate  tags within span tags as a hack to make the underline match (e.g.,  ). But the hack also forces underlines on links when some users do not have the aforementioned preference set. Still, I'll see templates like UK Labour Party with a link in its navbox header—underlined, by my preference—but its underline shows in blue instead of white, so not matching the text. Is there some way to format that navbox header such that it will display correctly in my browser (with matching color underline) without forcing the underline on those who turned the preference off? (OS X, Chrome/Firefox) – czar   22:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think  (placed in Special:MyPage/common.css) should work in all situations. It certainly works for me in MonoBook with Firefox 40.0.3. I may have gone overboard with the selectors but one or two extra ones won't hurt. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:52, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I turned the Preference off, added the css, purged browser and WP cache and I'm still getting the non-matching underline in UK Labour Party's navbox header. Apart from myself, my question is also how to make color links work as intended with the aforementioned Preference. I'm sure I'm not the only one getting an unexpected result from the Preference. – czar   23:59, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Different browsers behave differently. Some show the underline in the link colour; some show it in the text colour. If your browser supports CSS Text Decoration Module Level 3 (which is not yet a full W3C Recommendation), try using the  property. -- Red rose64 (talk) 00:05, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's handling the same across Chrome/Firefox/Safari for me (OS X). Even when the "Always/Never" Preference is set, the underline doesn't match the link color (it shows as blue underline on hover when set to "Never"). Are you able to style intra-wikilinks such that the underline color matches the set link color? I haven't seen that in action apart from, say, the show/hide link on UK Labour Party. But in that case, I don't know why show/hide can be styled for both link/underline in white but not the title. I asked on its talk page. – czar   01:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

How to use a web font via common.css?
Edit: See below for solution

I'm trying to use custom CSS in my common.css page to make Wikipedia use the Dotsies font. As the font is non-standard, I'm trying to use it as a web font by adapting the site's dotsies.css file for common.css use.

The relevant parts of my common.css are as follows.

@font-face { font-family: "Dotsies"; src: url("http://dotsies.org/Dotsies.ttf") format("truetype"); } html, body, #globalWrapper { font-family: "Dotsies"; }

However, even after manually purging the server's cache of my common.css and clearing Firefox's cache, everything is still in the default font.

I ran a search for "font" in the "Village pump (technical)" archives and only found issues relating to setting standard fonts or asking about Wikipedia's default fonts. Can someone please help me figure out setting a web font as default for Wikipedia articles via custom user styles? Or is this impossible? I only want Dotsies as my font for Wikipedia and not every site because having Dotsies everywhere would be overwhelming with my current level of experience reading it.

I don't think it's too relevant, but I'm running Firefox 40.0.2 on fully updated Chakra Linux.

I have practically no experience with CSS, so I could have easily missed something. Also, should modifying the Print view tweaks example CSS (i.e., changing "@media print" to "html, body" and adjusting font sizes) work for changing general font sizes? Dotsies looks a lot better at specific sizes where the component dots have integer pixel dimensions. Edit: I think I got font sizes adjusted fine, so it's just an issue with setting Dotsies as my font everywhere.

MarkGyver (talk) 02:47, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I found the answer by searching for general web font CSS help online. I found out that I can import CSS files by using, and then   works as expected. I'm still wondering if I can import the font directly instead of importing 3rd-party CSS over an insecure connection. I think it would be less of a potential security issue to import/reference only the font and not some CSS file that might be maliciously changed in a man-in-the-middle attack. MarkGyver (talk) 03:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

On mobile, why do people sometimes confuse the content and the edit summary fields?
If you look at the pages created by new accounts on mobile, you'll see that a fairly large number create the page with just a little bit of content, with a whole lot of content in the edit summary. It appears to me that they are confusing the edit summary field for the page content, and vice versa. This only appears to happen on mobile, not on web. Can someone investigate? Gparyani (talk) 17:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not loading
The site is down temporarily. Sometimes the pages load, and for few minutes it doesn't. Other sites have no problem. -- Aero  Slicer  16:40, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * An educated guess, but preparations for the new MediaWiki version? <sup style="color:#009933;">My <sup style="color:#009933;">name <sup style="color:#009933;">is not <sup style="color:#009933;">dave (talk/contribs) 17:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Deployments (normally) do not take a site down. --Malyacko (talk) 08:14, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there an error message when it does not load? Also, the site might not be "down" but some parts might not be loading in your browser (e.g. user scripts that try to access unreachable servers). If this happens more often, your web browser's developer tools should offer a "Network" tab to investigate. --Malyacko (talk) 08:14, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Repeated Spam on Bubble tea page

 * The Bubble tea page looks normal when logged in, but shows a youtube link repeated hundreds of times when logged out or in incognito mode. Perhaps the page could be purged but I want to make sure someone with a technical background can look at it...  --George100 (talk) 16:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems the culprit was the vandalism to Template:Infobox prepared food. I'm not seeing it when logged in or out so it appears to be fixed on that page at least. Sam Walton (talk) 16:22, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A sampling of the other pages using that template seems to show that everything's back to normal now. Sam Walton (talk) 16:24, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Cannot edit custom CSS
I'm logged in, but unable to edit my custom CSS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chexni/common.css). Am I overlooking something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chexni (talk • contribs) 21:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Could you share the error message you get when you use this link? You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: —? 185.108.128.19 (talk) 04:51, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please explain what exactly you mean by "unable to edit". For example that you don't have an "Edit" tab, or you get an error message when you click "Edit", or after clicking "Edit" you see an empty box where the code should have been, or that you see the code in the edit box but you cannot change it, or you can change it but not save your changes. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, PrimeHunter. I'm now able to edit with the query "?action=edit" added to the URL. Without the query added, I don't see an "Edit" tab. The link I'm using to navigate to the page ("Preferences" > "Appearance" > "Shared CSS/JavaScript for all skins: Custom CSS") doesn't seem to add the query. Perhaps there's another way to access this page which adds the necessary query? Chexni (talk) 19:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The "read", "edit" and "history" links and the "watch" star are contained in a with ID "p-views" in Vector. In your CSS you've set the element with that ID to not display, together with the "mw-panel" and "left-navigation" elements. The links should be visible again if you remove the   row. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4  (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 19:39, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Overstriking/superposing characters
I was told how to rotate (and flip) characters at the Teahouse, but not getting an answer to this one.

I see there's transform which allows translation of glyphs, but there's not enough documentation for me to figure it out. Can I translate one character on top another, say, overstrike an "x" with a "~"? (That is, a ~ superimposed on x, like x̴, not ~ on top of x like x̃.)

Thanks — kwami (talk) 01:16, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This might work: x ~. Alakzi (talk) 01:40, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, that helps. It lines them up by their left edge. Is it possible to center them so e.g.
 * m l
 * (m + l) would also be symmetrical? — kwami (talk) 02:21, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, that's slightly more involved: x ~   . What's your use case? Alakzi (talk) 07:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting. That centers them both horizontally and vertically. I'll play around with the code.
 * There are several esoteric phonetic symbols in old documents that aren't supported by Unicode. Some of them might be approximated with transformations like these, though I'm aware that they wouldn't be copy&paste friendly and so should be used sparingly.
 * Thanks again! — kwami (talk) 19:33, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Matlab/Simulink widget
I am interested in the fact if it is possible to link a Matlab/Simulink GUI (graphical user interface) in Wikipedia something similar like a small calculation programm on java basis. Something where the user can interactively change the Matlab/Simulink programme and get the results on a wiki webpage? Maybe it is possible to link Matlab/Simulink with Java and put it than on a wiki site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.6.76.40 (talk) 08:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * We cannot do this for security reasons. In that case someone would have to write an open source implementation of something like that and it needs to be hosted on our web services. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 09:03, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Running it on a separate domain solves the security issue. The problem is political: Wikipedia is a copyleft encyclopedia, so is everything from the web browser to operating system (excluding certain foundation teams *cough*fundraising*cough*).  Now I tried to find examples of Matlab/Simulink web views and didn't find anything compelling.  What questioner is probably asking for an interactive web plot.  There are FLOSS tool, but integrating them into Wikipedia would take years because of lethargic foundation.  — Dispenser 14:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Stan Shebs
Stan Shebs is not currently listed as a bureaucrat. On the web archive page, it is listed as a bureaucrat. However when I go to the public logs, it does not say anything about changes in group membership. Probably it was done by a steward. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:00, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Removals of higher rights are done by Stewards on meta, yes. See the log. 198.73.209.4 (talk) 00:26, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

View history not working?
Anyone having problems accessing article histories? A user reported at Talk:Jurassic World that he couldn't access the view history at Jurassic World. I tried and couldn't either--the page didn't load after a minute or so. Also had a problem accessing history at this talk page. Thoughts? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:54, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It could be a problem affecting certain articles somehow. The problem only seems to apply to Jurassic World for me so far, and I haven't found any other articles with the same bug. Versus001 (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Does the error go away if you use a different web browser? - X201 (talk) 08:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Additional: I've managed to recreate the problem with Chrome, but not IE or Firefox. - X201 (talk) 08:58, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Confirmed, we will further investigate this, but me and valhalla have looked into this, and we think we found the trigger for this. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 11:26, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem goes away if I use Firefox. I'm using Chrome right now and still experiencing the problem. Can't arbitrarily switch to Firefox though. Too many bookmarks and such. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:49, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have what I was advised at the Help Desk may be a related problem. If I use Chrome, or am logged in, I can't see my own Contributions list, the browser tab just hangs. But I can see it if I use Safari while not logged in. Another editor there has reported the same problem. Maproom (talk) 12:35, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Does it work in Microsoft Edge, the new browser in Windows 10? GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have the same issue with the history of Jurassic World. I'm on a Mac running 10.10.5 while using Chrome version 44. I have the same problem trying to access Maproom's contributions, though I can access my own. Dismas |(talk) 14:52, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to make sure we didn't have a browser security issue on our hands, but this is caused by a bug in webkit triggered in some circumstances. I'll see if we can revert the line that is triggering this bug. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 18:53, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I recently had a problem with my watchlist freezing during loading, using Firefox. After consulting Google, I cured the problem by disabling the McAfee WebAdvisor plugin, which Firefox reports "could not be verified for use in Firefox". I don't know if this is related or not.--  Dr Greg   talk  20:10, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not in this case, but thanks for bringing ideas. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 20:19, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Watchlist does not load
When trying to load my watchlist in Chrome, it does not load and instead gives an error message that 'something went wrong'. This happens on multiple machines (one uses Windows 8, the other one Windows 10). However, it does not happen in Firefox, nor for other MediaWiki projects and other Wikipedias in Chrome. A day ago or so it still loaded just fine. Does anyone have an idea what could be wrong? --JorisvS (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See View history not working above - X201 (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For me, the article histories load just fine, my contributions will load just fine. It's my watchlist that won't load. Update: The first time just now it wouldn't load, the second time now it started to load, though just barely, and the third time it again wouldn't load. --JorisvS (talk) 15:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Update: the article history of specifically Jurassic World won't load (those of Pluto and Sun load just fine). --JorisvS (talk) 15:44, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Safari - Watchlist not loading, freezing
Since yesterday, my watchlist has not been loading at all. Anytime I try to go it, my browser (Safari) freezes. I have no problem with any other Wikipedia page, only my watchlist. Not sure what's going on, but I'd appreciate if someone could explain what's going on. RGloucester — ☎ 17:35, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Fixed

 * ✅ Hey all, we've done an emergency deploy of 's patch to fix this. Sorry about the issue. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 20:05, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , thanks, works for me now. What specifically was the problem, if I may query? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:09, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A change made last week attempting to fix the positioning of "autocomments" in right-to-left languages like Arabic and Hebrew. This triggered a long-standing bug in WebKit  (and thus Safari, Opera and Chrome, amongst other browsers). The revert means that we're back to a bad experience for RTL users, but at least they can now see it. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 20:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hm. Clearly outside of my wheelhouse. :) Much obliged. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Yep, that got it. Thanks! Dismas |(talk) 20:36, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Cite error for nonexistent reference
On The Thundermans, I'm seeing "Cite error: The named reference was invoked but never defined", but "Futon" is not mentioned anywhere in the wikitext. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:42, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The article transcludes List of The Thundermans episodes. The ref in question will be in there. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * should fix it. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:50, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I didn't think of that. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:57, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Can links via navboxes be excluded from "what links here"?
Is there any way to perform a search equivalent to the "what links here" tool that excludes links that are due to navboxes transcluded in articles? (Or more generally, due to any types of navigation template transcluded in articles?) For example, if navbox X links to article Y, I would like know what articles would link to article Y if navbox X wasn't transcluded in any articles. Is there any tool that can achieve this? --  Dr Greg   talk  20:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You could try searching for, though this will exclude articles that link to "Article" both in the body and in the template. Alakzi (talk) 20:20, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the rapid reply. Yes, that would be good enough for me. --  Dr Greg   talk  20:24, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Rdcheck
The links in Rdcheck with "redirect=no" still use http. They should be changed to https. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:45, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/rdcheck.py is an external tool. It says "Maintained by Dispenser (talk)." PrimeHunter (talk) 01:28, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's actually protocol relative. I've been waiting for Let's Encrypt to open up.  — Dispenser 01:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Redirect to section
Anchors have been very unreliable lately when using redirects to article sections. For example: Grand Theft Auto V (re-release), Singles match, WP:NATURAL. They are mostly leaving me at the top of their targeted articles, instead of sending me down to the intended sections. It does work as expected after a few tries, but it's been a real inconvenience. Is anyone else experiencing this? Prefall 05:59, 23 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I can confirm this misbehavior on Firefox, but I usually see pages scrolled down too much and positioned past the actual anchor or section. &mdash; Dsimic (talk &#124; contribs) 07:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * All those three redirects sent me to the right section in the first time, maybe I'm just lucky :) It could stay at the top of the page, if section name in target article is renamed and a) redirects aren't updated or b) anchor isn't used in target article. For usually see pages scrolled down too much - it happens if there is something in the page, that collapses. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 07:17, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of the positioning issues with pages containing collapsible parts that are collapsed by default, but I've seen the misbehavior only recently on a few redirects I've never seen incorrectly positioned before. Can't recall the exact examples, unfortunately. &mdash; Dsimic (talk &#124; contribs) 07:29, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This has come up before, see Village pump (technical)/Archive 126 and Village pump (technical)/Archive 129. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:58, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Prefall, which web browser are you using? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * 64-bit Chrome, 45.0.2454.46 Prefall  19:18, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * If you click this link to Special:Preferences at fr.wp, do you end up on the Beta Features page or on the first page of prefs? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That sends me to the Beta Features page each time—seems to be fine. I forgot to mention that my issue also occurs in Microsoft Edge, version 20.10240.16384.0. Prefall  21:38, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Beta Features link works as intended for me, but the "WP:NATURAL" link up top leaves me at the top of its page. OS X, Chrome (only when logged in). Fine in Firefox. – czar   14:29, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Shortcuts
Has the use of shortcuts specifically linked to certain sections of policy/guideline pages been deprecated recently? I've noticed that some shortcuts that used to always work before are now redirecting to the main article. For example, WP:NOPIPE redirects to WP:PIPE, WP:RSCONTEXT redirects to WP:RS, etc. for me. I am just curious if this is a known bug or the problem is on my end, or if shortcuts like this are no longer to be used. - Marchjuly (talk) 01:00, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've been getting this too for the last several days. It isn't just projectspace shortcuts, it's section shortcuts on article pages. It doesn't scroll to the target area on pageload, but it works if I reload the page or execute the URL again. Chrome, OS X – czar   01:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response Czar. I'm using Chrome as well so maybe that's where the issue is. - Marchjuly (talk) 01:35, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Same issue - Safari, OSX but works fine on FF. I suspect it's a WebKit bug. 185.108.128.19 (talk) 05:33, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Reported in Phabricator now. Not likely a bug in Webkit, but possibly more visible due to different execution/timing paths of the scripts in both browsers. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 09:10, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Is this the same issue as Village pump (technical)/Archive 139 above? -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:13, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep – czar   14:28, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This has been an issue in Safari for years: when you go through a redirect, it "forgets" the #Section.  (Thus my question to User:Prefall about Special:Preferences; that link takes you to the wrong page in Safari.)  But I believe that the problem is new and somewhat different for Chrome.
 * Are you all using the same version? User:Prefall found the bug in 64-bit Chrome version 45.0.2454.46  as well as in Microsoft Edge version 20.10240.16384.0.  Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:43, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems to be. Sorry if I created a redundant section, I didn't notice the "Redirect to section" posts. I'm using the latest version of Chrome (44.0.2403.157 m) on Windows 10. - Marchjuly (talk) 21:32, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * , I updated to the latest Chrome and it's fine now (both when logged in and logged out). – czar   19:44, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I am currently still experiencing the issue as has been mentioned above by others. Clicking a wikilink, such as Arrowverse, that is a redirect page, just takes me to the top of the redirect article, not the section it should. I'm on Chrome 44.0.2403.157 (64-bit) [which is telling me is up to date] and OS X. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Script error
At many places, such as IP addresses' contributions, IP addresses' talk pages, and when editing this page, the following error is displayed:. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

There seems to be a serious script error going on right now. I initially thought it was my own error; then I thought it was a problem at WP:ANI, but it appears to be all over the encyclopedia (look at the very top line on any page one tries to edit).  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 00:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup, it's in the edit notice on this page, and I first noticed it on Bench Accounting. It's on ANI 37 times alone. Everymorning (talk) 00:27, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Also on edit filter interface, and most places. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:28, 26 August 2015 (UTC).


 * Having the same problem; I just created a new article (Leon Dubinsky) and this error is sitting on top of anywhere in the entire article that I used curlicue brackets to transclude a template. It's also worth noting that, oddly enough, the imdb name template still functions correctly, linking to the correct offsite EL, if you click on that text — it just doesn't display properly. Bearcat (talk) 00:29, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * On some talk pages too - see Talk:Energy Catalyzer where it appears repeatedly in the header templates. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It appears to be on any page using any module. The module feature is completely broken. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It also appears to be happening over at Commons, which seems to imply something *quite* widespread. grendel|khan 00:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Revert to pure templates! Quick! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC).


 * Not sure what this will do to Category:Pages with script errors currently standing at 2865. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC).


 * Like this? Script error: The module returned a value. It is supposed to return an export table. Something obviously blew up real good. Dl2000 (talk) 00:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

.. and fixed... ? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:34, 26 August 2015 (UTC).
 * Same issue here, As an aside it's also at Commons so looks to be a rather big problem!. – Davey 2010 Talk 00:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Maybe. Boy, that was a frustrating ten minutes...  Erpert  blah, blah, blah... 00:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've experienced this problem too. I hope Wikimedia can fix this. -  Ev il La ir ( ✉  |  c ) 00:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems fixed for me. Careful with that axe, Eugene. -- Diannaa (talk) 00:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I ran a hard refresh on a page where this occurred and it went away. —Mr. Matté (Talk/Contrib) 00:38, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Now it's back at the top of WP:AFD. Everymorning (talk) 00:54, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Many pages need a purge to fix it. The search currently gives 386 mainspace results where a significant part still needs purging, and there are thousands of hits in other namespaces. I wonder whether there are many others not found by the search. Can somebody flick together a tool to at least purge those in the search? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:56, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * They should all be in Category:Pages with script errors. I did a quick test with pywikibots  script, but that sleeps for 10 seconds after purging a page. Anyone with a better script? --Sitic (talk) 01:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There was a small side conversation about this at Help desk that you might want to peek at too but now that has a link poining over to continue the convo. here. Over at the help desk convo, I posted this screenshot of the bug. 8-26-15bugscreenshot.png Tortle (talk) 01:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup Sitic. I checked a few random pages from the category and they all seem to need purging. This would be ridiculously painstaking to undertake by hand. Do they automatixally purge after time or can a bot be created or allocated for the purpose of purging? Tortle (talk) 01:10, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I think that the best way to handle this is teamwork. Its only about 2000 pages which if divided well will be manageable. Each letter of Category:Pages with script errors has 100-200 pages. I suggest that we all take a chunk to purge. Please write your username underneath next to a letter to handle that chunk of pages. Ill take A which is probably a large chunk of the 2,000+ pages. So for those of yoh who want to help, you can learn how to purge a page here and just go to the category above, and go to all the pages of the letter that you choose and purge each one. Thanks

A-Tortle

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Thanks, Tortle (talk) 01:20, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * UPDATE- It seems that all of the pages were automatically purged at once and are now all fixed. So now there is no need for manually purging them and the problem is solved. Tortle (talk) 01:55, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I still see it on some pages, for example Japan Television Service, but most pages do appear to be fixed quickly. I don't recommend spending time on manual mass examination/purging. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


 * It's at the top of Double circulatory system but not other articles nominated for deletion. Blackbombchu (talk) 01:27, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I just fixed the script error in that article with a null edit. Blackbombchu (talk) 01:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I see it in Stephen Hawking, where it's particulatly bad. I happened to visit the article because he's the subject of a mainstream news item here. Akld guy (talk) 06:01, 26 August 2015 (UTC) He has just announced a new theory and the article is likely to be getting a lot of views. Akld guy (talk) 06:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Can someone look at Riki-Oh: The Story of Ricky? --George100 (talk) 19:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A purge has fixed it. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:01, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I just looked up the purge function, and realized I could have handled it! --George100 (talk) 20:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Toshiaki Kawada
Hello.

There are large, red error messages appearing on this page. I'm unsure as to what is creating this problem. Should be easily fixed by somebody more experienced in syntax. Thanks. 108.206.185.180 (talk) 03:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See the "Script error" section above. There has been some widespread error that caused the message you see. I've purged the article and should have fixed it (if you still see it, you need to bypass your cache).--Anders Feder (talk) 03:15, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Stephen Hawking still has the same problem. Please purge it too. This is urgent because Mr Hawking has just announced a new theory and the article will be getting a lot of views due to media coverage. Akld guy (talk) 08:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Stephen Hawking has been fixed, some time between 09:15 and 09:25. Akld guy (talk) 09:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Is there any maybe a way to purge all broken pages? I guess many remain for instance Syriana. Syced (talk) 10:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Currently, there are 501 pages. You can try out User:Frietjes/masspurge.js. I don't have good Internet connection to test the tool myself. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 10:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyone can WP:PURGE a page, it doesn't need any rights, even for protected pages. Logged-out users merely get an extra confirmation step. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I hadn't realised that Purging was open to all. Akld guy (talk) 11:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The script error is rampant on the page for LOUIS FERREIRA. I checked out the fixes you suggested and unfortunately I don't understand how to do ANY of them. I'm not a technical person and have only recently begun to contribute to Wikipedia. It took me 3 hours just to find this post (and I'm so glad I did!) Is there a way to explain the purging to a simpleton like me? I need to fix the page ASAP since I have just obtained legal permission to upload a copyrighted photo and I need the page to work properly. Please help. I'd be forever grateful. Thank you so much for your time to read this!Bczogalla (talk) 02:22, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Bczogalla
 * Hi, I was just told to do this: Purge cache by adding ?action=purge to the URL of the page and hit enter. It totally worked!! Bczogalla (talk) 02:33, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Bczogalla

"Script error: The module returned a value. It is supposed to return an export table."
For some reason the Michelle Malkin article is displaying this text multiple times at the head of the article, within the body text. (Screenshot)

Why is this happening? Is it only happening to me? And how do we fix it? Jajobi (talk) 07:14, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I see this issue has already been addressed. See . Jajobi (talk) 07:18, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * @Jajobi - I just performed a WP:PURGE on the page, it should be fixed. --George100 (talk) 12:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * @George100 Hi, the LOUIS FERREIRA page is virtually covered with this error message. I am in desperate need of help as I can't figure out the instructions for the purge. It's probably really simple but to someone who's never done it there is just no way to figure it out... If you could help me out here I'd be so grateful - and thanks for reading this! Bczogalla (talk) 02:26, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Bczogalla
 * @George100Hi, I was just told to do this: Purge cache by adding ?action=purge to the URL of the page and hit enter. It totally worked!! Bczogalla (talk) 02:34, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Bczogalla
 * If you go to your Help:Preferences, there are at least 2 WP:Gadgets which will make it easier to purge listed under Appearance (for gadgets i.e. Special:Preferences). Nil Einne (talk) 14:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It is happening to me as well on the article Arizona pinstriping. Everymorning (talk) 01:15, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Purged/fixed.--Anders Feder (talk) 01:43, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Fixing wikilinks
I'm sure I've used a tool in the past for fixing links that point to the wrong page. IIRC, it allowed me to go to a 'What links here' page and fix them in big batches. Anyone? --Dweller (talk) 09:49, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


 * A what links here for disambiguation pages? dplbot/dab_fix_list.php, part of the DPL tool collection. — Dispenser 18:34, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Duplicate media viewer links
On file description pages in MonoBook skin, I sometimes get two pairs of "Open in Media Viewer"/cogwheel links. It's intermittent: I was seeing two pairs at File:Nicola Stugeon Official Portrait.jpg after, but only one pair now. Not the first time this has happened. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I also noticed that. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 11:28, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See T110493. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 07:54, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia search is full featured
Q. Why include a list of five external search engines on the special search page, along with the internal tool to select a search domain?

A.1 Because Cirrus Search is still in Beta?

A.2 Because the other search engines are user friendly: documentation, popup hints, a widely known "query language"?

A.3 To support Search engine bias?

A.4 To support "education" about other search engines?

A.5 To offload our server?

A.6 To compete with the Templates for searching Wikipedia that use external search links?

I think those are all the "false" reasons, and with that I'm seeking some "truth" here, some validation of the existence of external search engines on the special search page (if only to document their existence). I see no reason for them, and I see no way to document them, other than to link to there "query language" page.

I'm thinking the only reason an external search engine would ever be needed to site:Wikipedia.org is because they had more features, or they had some unique flavor of page-ranking. Could page-raking the only true reason? I'm pretty sure that page-ranking is never tweakable, so it could be a valid reason.

Cirrus Search offers every possible search feature in all the standard ways, and as for speed, it's as good as it gets with the open source, industry-leading, elasticsearch/lucene core. &mdash; Cp i r al  Cpiral  23:44, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Because you enabled a non-default gadget in your preferences called: "Add a selector to the Wikipedia search page allowing the use of external search engines" ? —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 00:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * SMirC-chuckle.svg That's why, right? But Google has better typo correction. Compare Special:Search/Wikiedia with . Eman 235 / talk  01:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the typo in AG Vulcan Stettin. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:04, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You dida. &mdash; Cp i r al  Cpiral  08:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This is nah, nah. [[file:frowny.svg|20px]] &mdash; Cp i r al  Cpiral  08:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * smiley.svg. &mdash; Cp i r al  Cpiral  08:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Talk archive navigation
On some pages, Template:Talk archive navigation shows two bold selflinks instead of one redlink to the next archive page. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Post an example. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:43, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * For example, User talk:Doniago/Archive 44 has "Archive 44" in bold twice. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A purge has fixed it. It looks as if some layer of the software miscounted the archives during the creation of archive 44. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:04, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The archive link to the right of User talk:Doniago/Archive 44 uses Module:Highest archive number to go to the first non-existing archive. It was a bold self-link instead in the page creation, because the page itself was not registered as existing during its creation. A purge after the creation will fix it. To see the issue without creating new pages, enter  at Special:ExpandTemplates with a non-existing archive in the "Context title" field, for example , where the last archive is currently User talk:Doniago/Archive 44. It tries to link to User talk:Doniago/Archive 45 to the right, but the link becomes bold text because the rendering recognizes that it would be a selflink with the given Context title. A higher number like   as Context title will also link to the first non-existing archive number User talk:Doniago/Archive 45, but in this case it remains a red link. Note that previewing   on User talk:Doniago/Archive 45 will not reveal the problem, because the preview behaves as if the page already exists. To see this difference more directly, previewing   on User talk:Doniago/Archive 45 returns "yes", but the same code on Special:ExpandTemplates returns "no" even if   is specified as Context title. It's probably a good idea for test purposes that previewing behaves as if the page already exists, but it might be better if ExpandTemplates and saving also worked like that. I created User:PrimeHunter/sandbox5 with  . Before saving it previewed "yes", right after saving it said "no", and after a purge it said "yes". PrimeHunter (talk) 20:51, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

"preview references" and "preview references in full page" button needed in "edit/preview" mode.
Wikipedia:Village_pump (technical)/Archive 1#Needing_the .3Creferences.2F.3E tag (from way back on 23:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)) had some good ideas but more work needs to be done.

A simple "Twist-tie" item similar to the existing ones ("Templates used in this section:", "This page is a member of 5 hidden categories (help) :", and "Parser profiling data (help) :" ) called "References used in this section" which would display what would be in the to your common.js will add a Preview w/Refs button to the edit window which gives you the functionality you are looking for. - 185.108.128.4 (talk) 17:56, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Missing sections
Some sections of Village pump (proposals) are not shown in mobile. They are shown only when you expand the 2nd section. 208.54.39.238 (talk) 17:37, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * http://i.imgur.com/UcyC3if.png 185.108.128.4 (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Caused by div tags, now fixed. - 185.108.128.4 (talk) 18:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Table of contents
I've noticed that some talk pages in mainspace have a table of contents and some don't.  How can a table of contents be generated if the talk page doesn't have one? Does the phrase _TOC_ which appears in the source of some talk pages have any significance? 81.157.95.160 (talk) 12:17, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See Help:Section - David Biddulph (talk) 12:31, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Cross-wiki preferences
Now that we have single sign-in is it by any chance possible to set preferences (gender, for example, or "show hidden categories) for all Wikipedias at once? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:03, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No. Any feature would probably be for all Wikimedia wikis and not just Wikipedias. There is a request at T16950: "Global preferences". You can make a global user page and global css and js, but that's about it. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:38, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Although it is poorly documented, I'm using this to have a few preferences to be set automatically in each WMF wiki I visit: https://github.com/he7d3r/mw-gadget-GlobalPreferences. Helder 20:42, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * So, how do I install this script, where do I edit the "userjs-global-preferences" and "userjs-global-preferences-exceptions", and where do I find possible preferences to configure and their possible values? --Pipetricker 16:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

No images showing, once again
Although a workaround was implemented 4 days ago, the problem is arising once again. I understand that this is an ongoing issue that will a have a proper fix delivered soon, but what has happened to the workaround? Is it a case of it working for those 8 hours and 8 hours only? On Chrome on Ubuntu 15.04, I am unable to see any images. When clicking on a link to an image file, I receive a 404 error. What is occurring? Thanks, <sup style="color:#009933;">My <sup style="color:#009933;">name <sup style="color:#009933;">is not <sup style="color:#009933;">dave (talk/contribs) 12:53, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Image problem mentioned This Thread. The Incident Documentation indicates it is still in progress. — Maile (talk) 13:06, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No images at all? With which browsers does this happen? Any example link/URL for an image that does not load and creates a 404? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The display of images is highly erratic. One minute I can see all, another I can see some and then they all go. Then, around 15-30 minutes later,images come back. This seems to occur on Chrome for Android as well, on Firefox this didn't occur, but I see it as a matter of waiting. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Schoenfussroehrling.jpg is an example of where it fails to load, but as said, that depends whether it wants to load or not. <sup style="color:#009933;">My <sup style="color:#009933;">name <sup style="color:#009933;">is not <sup style="color:#009933;">dave (talk/contribs) 10:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. The 404 I get is a WMF 404 and not a browser generated one.
 * The "OCSP Stapling issue" mention above should be unrelated because this is about 404s not showing any OCSP related error messages. Not sure what's going on so I'm curious if other users face the same problem. :-( --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:26, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This appears to happen with all media. File:Alveolar_trill.ogg fails to function. <sup style="color:#009933;">My <sup style="color:#009933;">name <sup style="color:#009933;">is not <sup style="color:#009933;">dave (talk/contribs) 21:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

No images (yet again, it seems)
This morning when I started browsing, I noted that no images are being displayed on any pages; only the alt-text is shown as a link. If I click on the link, the proper image is shown in the media viewer, but not in the page context. I'm using Firefox 40.0.3 with the Monobook skin. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:10, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Never mind. The problem appears to have been resolved. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:18, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC for Navbox colors
There is currently an RfC regarding changes to the default background colors on Navbox with regard to WP:COLOR. The RfC is located at Template talk:Navbox. Thank you.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 18:01, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

keeping Wikipedia's local storage when clearing browser data
I came across an interesting script, 's IPLabeller, which allows you to add labels/colors to IP addresses. Unfortunately, since I routinely clean up/clear my browser data, those labels would get wiped. Does anyone know of a way to whitelist or create an exception for a particular site's local storage? Or maybe another workaround? I realize this is more of a browser question than a Wikipedia question, but it seems like something that would have come up with other scripts and such. Thanks. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 19:03, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What browser are you using? GoingBatty (talk) 19:22, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry, should have mentioned that. Chrome (v44...). &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 19:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Fragile template:infobox company
This version of Sepahan Oil Company crashes my copies of Opera and Google Chrome (but not Firefox!). The problem was solved by removing the around the logo file name. It may also only show if the logo is on Commons. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:04, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The file has a size of over 10k x 10k pixels at maximum. I guess that the template was calling the full sized file that was too large for your browsers. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:11, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's because the full resolution logo is enormous. Removing the brackets means it's being parsed by Module:InfoboxImage, which applies the  keyword to produce  . Alakzi (talk) 22:12, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I had in fact just worked that out for myself. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:13, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit not displayed
For some reason I still can't see this most recent edit in the article's section for the second day, even though I repeatedly purged the cache and restarted the browser. The wikisyntax seems to be normal and my secondary browser doesn't shows the edit either. Do you see it? Ideas? Brandmeistertalk  08:22, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * There are two sections with the same title. Are you looking at the second one? -- zzuuzz (talk) 08:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, haven't noticed, my bad. Brandmeistertalk  08:49, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Alt text statistics
I spent Saturday figuring out how much Alt text is in use. I've included other interesting measurements as well. Enwiki has more traffic than the next 30 wikis combined. According to information/compression theory the compressed size should correspond to the information regardless of language or codecs. Surprisingly the majority of articles don't have images and those that do, 25% have three or more (enwiki). Regarding alt text we're only second to the French (1.94% total), although our is more spread out (enwiki 2.39% 1 alt text per pages vs 1.94% for frwiki). Photographs see more alt text at 2.0% than drawing/loss-less image, 1.7%.

Measurements were done on dumps around Jan 2015, except enwiki which used the Aug 2015 dump. Images were detect by file extension (DjVu, GIF, JPG, PDF, PNG, SVG, TIFF) followed by a gallery, template, or link closing character. This is an upper-bound, excluding indirect transcluded images. Any questions? Other numbers you'd like to see? — Dispenser 17:00, 30 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Dispenser, I'd like to know if it has improved over time. Can you compare it to January 2014 (at least for a couple of the bigger wikis, like the French Wikipedia)?  WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:51, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * WhatamIdoing, WMF's snapshot dumps only go back 9-12 months. Finding older dumps is hard, got some for enwiki, but nothing else.  The proper way would be parse the complete dump (enwiki: 103 GB compressed), dump it into a database, then we can graph it day-to-day.  This is beyond my current needs, but if somebody's willing donate high performance cloud computing or Bitcoins it can be done.  — Dispenser 21:47, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Pages appearing erroneously in a category
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Devon/Archive 2 and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/Archive 10 both appear in Category:Civil parishes in Devon, which of course they should not do. I cannot see what is making them do this. Can anyone here see what's going on and advise how to fix it? DuncanHill (talk) 14:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The template Devon parishes was transcluded on both pages. I've removed both instances, it should be OK now. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:05, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 15:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have used main other so the category is only added in mainspace.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Devon_parishes&diff=prev&oldid=678785664] PrimeHunter (talk) 16:32, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Cool. Item # 4,187 on the list of things I didn't know it was possible to do. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:56, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The navbox shouldn't categorise anywhere, see WP:TEMPLATECAT. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:39, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-36
<section begin="technews-2015-W36"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * VisualEditor will now automatically create a link when you type in or paste an ISBN, PMID, or RFC.
 * The link editor in VisualEditor is now a bit wider. It's now the same width as the automatic citation tool.
 * VisualEditor gadget authors can no longer use the backwards-compatibility module . Use   instead.
 * Gadget writers can now use mediawiki.ForeignApi to communicate between different Wikimedia wikis.

Changes this week
 * The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from September 1. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from September 2. It will be on all Wikipedias from September 3 (calendar).

Meetings
 * You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on September 1 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The Wikidata API will be updated with breaking changes. This will probably happen on September 9.

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Site notice (banner)
Where is this WikiConference USA site notice coming from? I've been looking for an hour and not finding any info on its provenance. It needs to be edited to include more specific application deadline information (it implies that the deadline is the end of Aug. 31 UTC (which passes within the hour), but it's actually August 31, 2015 at 11:59 PM EDT.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  23:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


 * meta:Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/WikiConference USA 2015. Note the display ends in four hours. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:44, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks anyway. I didn't get to it in time to do anything with it.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:09, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Delete a Draft
I'm sorry, but I couldn't figure out where I can ask for a deletion of a draft of mine. Please delete User:Liadmalone/John Roy Carlson. Thank you. Liadmalone (talk) 00:03, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I've deleted the draft for you. The fastest way to request deletion of your drafts is normally to place db-u1 at the top of the page. I honestly don't know how those who are unaware are supposed to find this out, aside from reading the entirety of the deletion policy. Someguy1221 (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * User pages - or WP:UP for short. -- Red rose64 (talk) 07:39, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * exactly. I couldn't find myself there! In the Hebrew Wiki it's easier to find... thank you. Thanks, I'll add the link to my user page. Liadmalone (talk) 09:43, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Protected pages...
I need to correct a page, please but am warned that it is protected against vandalism. Yet it also says it was amended just 3days ago! How can I unlock this page & 'claim(!)' a correction?

Thanks in advance. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merseymale (talk • contribs) 05:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This is really a WP:HD matter, not VPT. You can't "unlock" (or as we say in Wikipedia, "unprotect") a page, that ability is reserved for administrators; but on the talk page of the article concerned, you can describe the edit that you want to make, and request that somebody with the appropriate user right carry it out on your behalf. See Protected edit requests for information on how to do this. -- Red rose64 (talk) 07:45, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You didn't name the page so we cannot see whether it's semi-protected or fully protected. If you have an Edit tab which gives a box saying "This page has been semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it", then you can edit it. Some users misunderstand the message and think they cannot edit it. If it's fully protected which is rare then it has a "View source" tab and can only be edited by administrators. If you click the tab then it's easy to make an edit request. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:52, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

PASSWORD
How can I find out what my Password is after I logged in? I need to write it down since I forgot it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dexhu (talk • contribs) 05:23, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You can't. If you have forgotten your password, see Help:Logging in.--Anders Feder (talk) 05:30, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Question about IP talk pages
If I leave a message for an anonymous editor, by creating a new section on the talk page for the IP that edited an article, how will they see the message that I write? When I'm not logged in, I don't have links in the upper right for a user page, notification count, or talk page, so how will the not-signed-in editor know that someone is talking to them, and how will they get to their talk page? — Mudwater (Talk) 17:54, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that they get the old-style WP:OBOD. They certainly get something, because was responded to. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:40, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, they do - You have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:87.112.148.223&redirect=no a new message] ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:87.112.148.223&diff=cur last change]). but it only shows only when they click an "edit" link, not when visiting a page. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:56, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Good, thanks. — Mudwater (Talk) 19:34, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It does show on every page, not just on edit. (tested/confirmed) :-) If you are getting different results, that's a bug. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 23:34, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Good morning.  A post was made to an IP editor's talk page and removed by someone else two minutes later.   When the IP editor switches on his machine and visits this website will he see the orange message bar - i.e. is its appearance contingent on the message being visible when he visits or does the bar remain activated until he visits regardless of what happens to the message in the meantime?
 * I was surprised recently when I turned on my computer and clicked on the orange bar to find that it was telling me about a message posted on the IP's talkpage in 2009.  In fact that IP had never edited although somebody created a talk page with the 2009 post referring to a previous edit.
 * My second question is, I believe that if you type ping|12.34.56.78 with double curly brackets at either end (or whatever the IP number is) it will not register an alert - i.e. the only way to get the attention of an IP is to post on their talk page.  Am I right? 86.143.23.178 (talk) 12:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi. 1) Yes, the orange bar is technically simple, and appears whenever an edit is made to the talkpage. Reverting the edit (or otherwise removing the message) does not (afaik) nullify the orange bar. To remove the orange bar, someone using that IP has to visit the talkpage. 2) Correct, the Mentions feature does not work for IPs. Many IPs change owners frequently (Dynamic IP), also many IPs are shared (Shared IP address), so it's difficult to assume that anyone using that IP will consistently be the same individual. Hence, all messages need to be sent to a public location. Hope that helps (and was technically accurate!). Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems 100% correct from my experience. I believe that, even if someone posts a usertalk message to the talkpage of 12.34.56.78, and then a few minutes later another person reverts that post, the orange bar still appears (and likely says "messages from two users").  Not sure what happens if somebody posts a message, and then self-reverts.  75.108.94.227 (talk) 00:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I may have had something to do with that. Back in 2008-09, I went on a rampage of deleting thousands of old IP talk pages because the messages on them were stale (i.e. unlikely to relate to anyone who would see the pages in the future), or blanking them so that they would be deleted by a bot which used to delete such pages. A consensus of the community later developed that these should not be deleted, but should instead be templated, so that the record of the IP activity remains visible in the edit history. Last week I went back and templated all of the pages I deleted, so that I can restore their edit history and maintain them per the going consensus. These will, for the time being, showing up as pages templated to indicate in edit history, but with no underlying edit history visible to most editors. I am now in the much slower process of restoring those edit histories.
 * On a completely unrelated note, does anyone know a fast way to restore the edit histories for a set of 2,720 pages? bd2412  T 16:56, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Update: I have put in a bot request at Bot requests Barring any issues which may be raised here, this will speed the restoration of the edit histories of the remaining 2,525 pages. Cheers! bd2412  T 01:48, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Barring objections, I think I'll file a BFRA for this, as I have the code ready. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Page moves marked as minor edits
I recently moved some pages, and I noticed that the moves are automatically marked by the software as minor edits. Specifically, the edit of the old page name is marked as "new" and the edit of the new page name is marked as minor. Both of these descriptions seem to me to be wrong. I think that the changing of the name of a page should, in the default, be considered something that editors might not consider automatically noncontroversial, and therefore should not be a minor edit. --Tryptofish (talk) 01:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I do realize how marking the old page as "new" can make sense, in that it becomes a new redirect. However, I think the main point, about it not usually being a minor edit, remains a valid concern. --Tryptofish (talk) 02:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed, those shouldn't be marked as minor edits. &mdash; Dsimic (talk &#124; contribs) 02:29, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Every Wikipedia page has two unique identifiers: its name, and its Page ID (visible by clicking "Page information" in the left margin, it's in the fourth row). When you move a page, its name is altered but the Page ID is unchanged; a redirect is created (this action may be suppressed if an admin moves the page), and this redirect gets the old name of the moved page, but it can't be given the old Page ID as well, because those must be unique, and it stayed with the moved page. So it's given a fresh Page ID, and so the redir counts as a new page, hence the N marker. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:41, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A move does not change content; it is not even an edit. That is why it is marked minor.  12:45, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * When an administrator protects a page or imports edits, a minor edit is also formed. These, like moves, are not counted in the server count. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 13:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Replying to a couple of editors in one comment, I agree with what Redrose64 just explained about N. I'm also not concerned here with page protection or other administrative tools. I continue to believe that it is a mistake to mark page name changes as minor. Help:Minor edit explains minor edits as those where the editor making the edit reasonably expects that no other editor would question or disagree with that edit. An edit that changes a pagename to a new pagename may occasionally fit this description (as when a spelling error is corrected), but usually such a move means that our readers will find the content under a new title, and the title change can potentially cause quite a large change in meaning. Thus I strongly disagree with Edokter, in that a move does indeed change content, and potentially in quite a conspicuous way. Some editors do not watchlist minor edits, and would miss such changes, even though they might very likely want to discuss it. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * So perhaps then there should be a minor edit checkbox in Special:MovePage. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Page moves do show up in the watchlist and recent changes, even with minor edits hidden. You'll see the log entry for the action. Reach Out to the Truth 05:14, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a good point about the log entry still being watchlist-visible. I think the idea of having it as a regular edit, but with a minor edit checkbox is an excellent idea. But it still disturbs me that, currently, someone can rename a WP:BLP to something that violates BLP, and yet have it shown as a minor edit. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Let's say hypothetically that there were to be a consensus to change Special:MovePage to default to a regular edit, and offer a checkbox if an editor wants to mark the move as a minor edit. How would the change be carried out? In other words, can it be done locally (at the English Wikipedia), or would it have to be requested at Wikimedia? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyone? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:57, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * As far as I know it would not be any harder to mark page moves by default as minor edits on enwiki than on wikimedia. To do that in the code would require to create an configuration setting (mw:Manual:Configuration settings) and turning the minor edits off on either wikimedia wikis or enwiki. Getting an checkbox to mark page moves as minor will take more time to implement than an default setting.--Snaevar (talk) 21:32, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer! To do that, does one have to be an administrator, or simply be any editor with the skills to set the configuration? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe that you have to be a dev, not an admin. Anyone with the skills can become a volunteer dev.  See How to become a MediaWiki hacker.  Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:51, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Whatamidoing! That answers all of my questions. Myself, I definitely do not have those skills! I think that what I have suggested should only be implemented if there is a clear consensus, so when I get around to it, I'll open an RfC. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:04, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Gallery mode packed
Hello. I am Jack ma, from fr:wiki. Since last year,


 * I just checked with an old MediaWiki instance running MediaWiki 1.21 and honestly, the margins were not really slimmer as far as I can determine. The captions seem to be a bit further down in the new version. There is also a 1 pixel rounding difference in the width for 3 images, but overall, they are the same. I think you are just noticing more how wide this old style really is.. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 09:52, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Measuring the extent that redirects are used
Is there a way that we could do this. At WP:RM editors frequently present request like the one found at Talk:Stupid on the basis of WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. It would be helpful to collect data on the use of links from navigation pages. ping GregKaye 17:31, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The page view statistics tool already provides usage for redirects separately from the target article. Are you looking for something more specific? older ≠ wiser 18:41, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I went to http://stats.grok.se/en/201509/Stupid but didn't see a breakdown.  The page "Stupid" contains a hyperlink to the page Stupidity.  Is there, can there be, a way of telling how frequently that, and other, links are used?  GregKaye 12:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If you're wanting to see how often a particular link on a disambiguation page is clicked separately from traffic directly to the page, you'd need to create an artificial redirect that would only ever be used on the disambiguation page. So for example, you could modify the entry on the disambiguation page stupid to link to the redirect stupidity (redirect). The traffic tool would then be able to track traffic through that redirect. To be of any value though, the experiment would need to be in place for some time to account for any curiosity traffic driven by any current discussions (and  minimize potential for gaming the system from parties who might want to bias the results). Also, I suspect there may be some small initial spike in traffic from search engines and other automated web crawlers as they discover the new link. older ≠ wiser 15:47, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Section link malfunction
Firefox 40.0.3 maximized. The link Neo-Nazism initially takes me to the right place; about a second later the page scrolls down 5.5 screens worth, to near the end of the Notes section. ― Mandruss  &#9742;  12:37, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Sandbox testing shows that the problem is corrected by removing, , and , all of which contain a lot of collapsed content. Is this a known problem? ― Mandruss  &#9742;  13:03, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes it's a known issue. Wikipedia inserts an anchor in the html of the page. It is then up to the user's browser to go to the right part of the page, but collapsible boxes use JavaScript which may push content around after the browser has decided where to go. In most browsers you can click in the address bar and press Enter to go to the right place afterwards. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:13, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Chrome is much better at it though. So it might help to push the Firefox people a bit on this problem. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 19:44, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Could we just fix our collapsing box code? If location.hash was within x pixels of anchor before collapsing is now at Δy, adjust viewport by Δy. — Dispenser 00:38, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This is T110770. Legoktm (talk) 06:02, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Template:Respell
This template is supposed to generate bold small-cap letters in stressed syllables, so as to not unduly dominate the lead of the paragraph, but it is producing full caps. Can anyone fix?

Thanks — kwami (talk) 18:59, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


 * What's your browser and browser version? Alakzi (talk) 19:14, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not see full caps in the examples on Template:Respell. Are you using a font that does not support small caps?--Anders Feder (talk) 19:15, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe that's the problem. The small caps in the description look fine, it's only in the examples that they're off. Perhaps we could remove the Unicode formatting? The only possible reason for it is the schwa, but schwa should be included in just about any generic font. — kwami (talk) 20:38, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You could also replace  in your monobook.css with  . Alakzi (talk) 21:02, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The Unicode class does nothing unless you have Windows XP. But it does allow other uses to specify their own font.  21:42, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The reason for the Unicode class is to force support of characters WinXP does not. But schwa is not a problem, and it is the only non-ASCII character in the respelling. Can we just remove the Unicode class, and let the respelling appear in the user's preferred font? — kwami (talk) 22:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should, because support for Windows XP ended on April 8, 2014. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:34, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * End of support by Microsoft doesn't mean end of support by MediaWiki, nor that nobody is using XP any more. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:19, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As I said above, it only acts on XP. That does not preclude a user from specfying their own font. Incidentally, the template [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Respell&diff=504414041&oldid=482883138 used .IPA] before. Shouldn't it be changed back instead, considering it is an IPA template?  16:16, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it's not an IPA template.
 * The point of the IPA or Unicode class is to support esoteric characters that do not appear in most fonts. That may mean a font that is inadequate for other things, such as small caps, bold or italics, all of which are used here. Since there are no esoteric characters in the output, there is no need for a special font class. I'll make the request. — kwami (talk) 18:53, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is coming - new date set
Hi everyone,

A while ago I announced a rollout date for enabling a feature here - access to arbitrary data from Wikidata. We encountered some issues and decided to delay the rollout to make sure we're not screwing things up. I'm sorry for this delay. We've now fixed the issues and have set a new date for the feature rollout. It'll be September 16th.

In case you want more background information what arbitrary access is or have questions please see d:Wikidata:Arbitrary access.

Cheers Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 11:49, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Is there a better way to illustrate a " --> '' change in the diff view?
Confusing subject heading, eh? Hi there, when we look at diffs, (for instance here) it's really difficult to see whether someone changed a quotation to italics, or what. Even with the improved diff tool, it's still difficult to tell what happened unless you drag your cursor over the change to see if you highlight one or two things. Is there any way to easily improve this? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:34, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Some time ago I changed the diff font to monospace in my CSS for the same reason, but have changed it back since. I just wrote this user JS to add some slight padding around apostrophes in diffs, which should help distinguish pairs of apostrophes from double primes without having to change the font. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4 (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 18:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've improved the script to not affect the diff headers ("Revision as of ...", username, summary, previous/next edit links). It caused visible HTML code in case the headers contained apostrophes within HTML attribute values. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4 (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 13:48, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The API diff [//en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Disney_on_Ice&rvstartid=677788601&rvendid=677788601&rvdiffto=677646421] has monospace so it's easy to distinguish  and  . But it's not meant for human reading so everything else is hard... PrimeHunter (talk) 21:21, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Why can't I send an email?
I have a legitimate reason for a sockpuppet account that I want to reveal secretly to someone in order to follow the guidelines.

But I don't even get a copy of the email. Other emails from Wikipedia arrive just fine.HarleyRandomBoy 22:20, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Who is sending whom an email? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:24, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it didn't appear anyone had responded. Who should I send the email to? I (HarleyRandomBoy) chose User:Yunshui out of a list that appeared to be the correct one for reporting a legitimate sockpuppet account.HarleyRandomBoy 22:52, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That email never reached me, I'm afraid - I was away on holiday at the time, but have now caught up on all my emails; there's nothing from you there. Not sure why it wouldn't have arrived. You might want to send it again, or try emailing the general arbcom list at instead. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水  06:53, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Default number of search results
Is there a way to change the default number of search results. I've looked. I've searched. I've not concluded. I hope it's twenty for everyone. &mdash; Cp i r al  Cpiral  22:46, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Default I don't know about. What I normally do, once the first screenful has arrived, is append  to the URL. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:07, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's it. Thank you. &mdash; Cp i r al  Cpiral  23:30, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You can also click one of "20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500" at the bottom of search results, and manually change the url to a number up to 5000. The choice is not remembered for future searches. Earlier there was a "Search" tab in preferences for this and other settings but it was removed in 2014. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:56, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe the reason MediaWiki starts at twenty and offers the other low numbers is because, on average, the up-front cost of page-ranking is recouped in the first twenty results, and that the only other significant processing costs are the post-processing work done  as it is sent—gathering the context in each page, highlighting the terms on each page, performing word-proximity search requests on each page. I think all indexed searches (even with millions of results) are nearly instant and represent only an insignificant amount of processing required at search time. (Although the indexes take quite a bit of work to build and maintain in the background.) &mdash;  Cp i r al  Cpiral  05:47, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I wish there was a way to remove context and highlighting and all other post-processing, and just get the number of results and the pagenames from the index search. &mdash; Cp i r al  Cpiral  05:47, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's what we have API's for: mw:API:Search. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 07:47, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You can modify the search results display - for example, the wrapping at 38em (less than half the page width at 1280px wide) was annoying me, so I (it might work in Vector too). On a search results page, each entry has three parts: the page name; the context; and the page size/edit date. If you only want to display the first of these, it should be possible to hide the other two with a CSS rule like   placed in Special:MyPage/common.css. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:39, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Notification of search-related request discussion
Anyone knowledgeable in CirrusSearch or regular expressions, or wiki-search in general, please consider lending your expertise to WP:VPR. Thanks. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 23:20, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Looking for the 's Bot and the 's Bot owner
Bob Marley's to Bob Marley's.

There is a Bot that scrubs Wikipedia for wikilinks that have 's outside the wikilink and then moves the 's to inside the wikilink (e.g. the Bot changes Bob Marley's to Bob Marley's . Thank you. Checkingfax (talk) 01:47, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Where is the policy that encourages this house style?
 * 2) How do I get a hold of the Bot owner?
 * 3) How do I request Bot attention to an article needing changes?


 * User:Basilicofresco?
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 01:53, 3 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I think FrescoBot did the opposite but later reverted its own edits when it turned out to be controversial. See User talk:Basilicofresco and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking. I don't think there is currently consensus to go either way by bot. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:05, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

FrescoBot managed by goes from   to   and I'm looking for the Bot that is doing it in reverse to make the "apostrophe s" part of the blue link. The Bot is out there. I've seen it. Thank you. Checkingfax (talk) 04:41, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Where have you seen it?--Anders Feder (talk) 04:48, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I wish I had jotted it down. That's why I'm here. The Bot was scraping a few pages on my watchlist. There is an alphabetical list of Bots but it is extremely long and there is no Bot description on that long list. Thanks again for checking in. Checkingfax (talk) 05:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Checkingfax, please contact me later after you get some conclusion about this idea. -- BullRangifer (talk) 05:32, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It was which both moved the 's outside the link, e.g.  and then put it back inside, as a self-reversion, see . -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:02, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

+ = extra whitespace
At Life is Good Company, there is some extra whitespace before the article content. I have found that if I remove just one of either or, the whitespace disappears, so it seems the combination of the two is causing the extra whitespace. This repros on Firefox, Chrome, and IE. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa  (talk) 06:06, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * already solved I think ? —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 07:42, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, two consecutive "blank" lines (with no rendered content) cause extra whitespace. Both  and   can be anywhere on the page. They have both been removed from that page by now but that's another matter. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:48, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia's HTTP compression
I am doing some research on Wikipedia's HTTP compression (I believe that Wikipedia uses mod_gzip.) I want to use 7zip (I am open to using something else) to compress some HTML files the same way that Wikipedia compresses them when sending them to the browser. The goal is to see how much the size of compressed file changes if we change the HTML in various ways

With 7zip the following options only give you one choice if you want to use gzip:
 * Archive format: gzip
 * Compression method: Deflate
 * Dictionary size: 32 kB

But you have choices for the following:


 * Compression Level: Fastest, Normal, Maximum, Ultra
 * Word size: 8, 12 16, 24, 32, 48, 64, 96, 128, 192, 256, 268

Related: mod_gzip, gzip, DEFLATE, [ http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1952.txt ], [ https://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1951.txt ], [ http://www.schroepl.net/projekte/mod_gzip/ ], [ http://www.innerjoin.org/apache-compression/howto.html ], [ http://perl.apache.org/docs/tutorials/client/compression/compression.html ].

So what 7zip compression level and word size would match Wikipedia's HTTP compression? --Guy Macon (talk) 13:52, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Does this answer your question ? —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 15:27, 3 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I think it does. Specifically:




 * ...gives me the compression level, and I see no place where the word size is defined, so it must be the default. I will have to figure out what the default is, but it should be findable. Of course I am assuming that Wikipedia uses the same settings for compressing text/html -- the code above only sets it for CSS and Javascript. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah I haven't been able to find that yet. Maybe if you checkout the entire git repo of the config you can fulltext search through it. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 16:08, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Rowspans in tables not quite working?
Please look at this table:

In the code, the "31" cell in Term is supposed to be three rows tall, and Babbitt is two rows tall. So it should look like Castro, Bolin, and Babbitt all shared term 31, and then Babbitt has 32 to himself. But it doesn't work that way ,at least in my Chrome; if people are seeing it correct, let me know and I'll post a screenshot. But when I examine it in Chrome, it has the third row for 31 as being 0px high. Is there any reason or fix for this? I've gotten complex rowspans to work recently but this one is still fighting me. --Golbez (talk) 21:04, 3 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The requested declarations are sent to your browser but Row 3 has no content that cannot be displayed alongside row 4, and then browsers may display a row with height zero. Below I have used  in row 3 to force it to display above normal height. Row 4 displays at normal height and you get the wanted result, at least in my Firefox. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:31, 3 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Yep, works here for me too, thanks. Incidentally, I solved the problem by adding portraits to the table, which made the rows much taller and thus Chrome got on board with it. I'll keep this in mind definitely for when it's needed, thanks!! --Golbez (talk) 21:36, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * See Village pump (technical)/Archive 138 and threads linked back from that. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:06, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Template error:
Something has gone wrong with : it now adds the characters  on to any page where it is used, as you can see on the description page itself <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b>  (talk),  09:27, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds as if something like HTML Tidy is being enthusiastic. Maybe there's a character blacklist, and the CR character has been added to that by a Unix guru who isn't aware of its uses in Windowsy systems. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:08, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I suspect it has something to do with the following line from the HTML5 spec: "Where character references are allowed, a character reference of a "LF" (U+000A) character (but not a "CR" (U+000D) character) also represents a newline." This refers to content, not to using a CR in general. Somewhere further along it states: "The numeric character reference forms described above are allowed to reference any Unicode code point other than U+0000, U+000D, permanently undefined Unicode characters (noncharacters), surrogates (U+D800–U+DFFF), and control characters other than space characters." So it's no longer valid in HTML5 —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 18:52, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * What problem does this template solve? The first and last examples both produce a list. Alakzi (talk) 19:17, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Countytabletop problems
What's up with Countytabletop? It's displaying & #  1  3  ; randomly in three of the columns, and I can't figure out what's changed; the page history shows such code as far back as 2010. It wasn't looking like this just a few months ago, so I suspect some change to a transcluded sub-template, but Special:RecentChangesLinked/Template:Countytabletop shows nothing relevant: all the changes are to Transclusion‎, various documentation pages, and the Borough article. Nyttend (talk) 03:30, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It's the same issue as . &amp;#xD; and &amp;#13; indicate the same carriage return character with a hexadecimal and decimal number. It's no longer being rendered as a character by MediaWiki. In [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Crlf2&diff=678979266&oldid=480841108] User:TheDJ removed it from another template and said "CR no longer exists in html5". PrimeHunter (talk) 05:05, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

New categories
Categorization does not seem to have instructions on how to propose a new category, for discussion or for a more experienced editor to simply create. If there is a place for doing this, said article should mention it.

I have noticed many disambiguation articles with multiple entries that are chemicals, usually enzymes, for example, HPSE. There is a Category:Science disambiguation pages‎, which seems awfully broad for this and contains only 4 articles, one of which is an enzyme disambiguation page, DHQD. I would like to propose a subcategory of Category:Science disambiguation pages: Category:Chemical disambiguation pages with its subCategory:Enzyme disambiguation pages, but I want a discussion first. If this is to be done, I think templates should be made, or existing templates modified, e.g. and. Is there a better place for this discussion? —Anomalocaris (talk) 15:10, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Also note that DHQD has been set up as a member of Category:Enzyme set index pages. This is a possible path for HPSE, but I am not sure if it is the best path. —Anomalocaris (talk) 15:14, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * WT:CAT and WT:CATP are better places than VPT. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:56, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Readers are invited to continue this discussion at WT:CATP. —Anomalocaris (talk) 17:38, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It appears HPSE uses a template to categorize the page, something that I think is not recommended according to Categorization ("it is recommended that articles not be placed in ordinary content categories using templates").  So the first question I would ask here is: how difficult is it to remove the category setting form template:disambig?  Ottawahitech (talk) 21:32, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Template:Disambig and its subtemplates is the primary case where WP:CAT doesn't apply. --Izno (talk) 01:23, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Denali section editing gone?
Is this a bug only for Talk:Denali that I can edit the entire talk page, but not the sections? It worked earlier today and I seem to have no problems with any other article talk page. Thanks. P.S. Another user has confirmed this problem, so it's not just me. Using Firefox ver 39. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:15, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's really weird. I'm getting the same thing on Chrome, so I assume it's a problem with the page. Purging the page and removing the recently added toc limit didn't help. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:20, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I dunno, but removing the fixes it (sandboxed, I haven't modified the talk page). &#8213; Mandruss   &#9742;  05:22, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure where to report it. It could have been a bug, or perhaps an administrator checked off some weird setting that I'd never heard of before. So I tried here first to find out what others thought. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:26, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm getting the same result as Mandruss. Dunno why that would mess with edit links. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:28, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * FYI, when I made this edit at 17:31 PST I believe it was working fine. So I think it happened sometime after that edit. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:32, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Added yes per doc. ― Mandruss  &#9742;  05:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone for taking the time to figure it out. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:02, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If only I'd have been awake, I would have recognised it as the same problem described at User talk:Bgwhite/Archive 44. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:24, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I added some warning text to the template, but wouldn't it be better if the default was not to suppress the TOC and sections edits? You would have to add the parameters with a "no" to specifically include suppressing? Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:56, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The template (which was originally at, later at ) was designed to assist in the layout of portal pages, which normally don't have section editing, and normally don't have a TOC either. It wasn't intended for general use, nor was it intended to be used in the specific ways that it is now being used at Talk:Denali and 2015 National Pro Fastpitch season. Those pages would perhaps be better off using templates more suited to the purpose.  should be left alone, since if its behaviour in the absence of the TOC and EDIT parameters is changed, the appearance of [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Box-header&namespace=100&limit=5000&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1 several thousand portal pages] will be compromised. Since the use of yes and yes is very much non-standard, I have reverted . -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:40, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Based on this edit, then, it sounds like User:Wiklan would benefit from reading this thread. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  09:50, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Or User:WikIan, even! &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  09:53, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, but that still leaves a problem because editors are using it for general use, probably because it says right up top "A template standardizing the portal templates and for other purposes. What about some extra wording added to Usage that would tell of the consequences if those parameters are missing? Without some additional warning, it seems unacceptable and a portent of more troubles down the road. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:52, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree. As a general rule, we should not only fix the immediate problem but take measures to avoid recurrences of the same problem. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  09:59, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, so I added the info to the documentation. Please feel free to tweak it if it doesn't sound quite right. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

To get around this I used   <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #03A9F4, -4px -4px 15px #4CAF50;"> WikIan  - ( talk )  08:17, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "get around", but there were no section edit links after the addition of . Just wondering whether you got that (1) is not intended for article talk pages, and (2) if you use it there anyway, you must code yes. &#8213; Mandruss   &#9742;  09:18, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You stated TOC was not available after the box (which I did not know required that parameter to keep section editing and TOC open) template was added, so adding doesn't do much in this case except bring back the TOC because there are no deep-level subheadings <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #03A9F4, -4px -4px 15px #4CAF50;"> WikIan  - ( talk )  10:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I haven't said anything about the TOC, this was about the section edit links and I wasn't aware there was an issue with the TOC. Reviewing the page history, I now see that the TOC did disappear when you added and was restored when you added . So that's two things one has to remember to do if using  on an article talk page. Myself, I think I'll just not use  on an article talk page. (Or any talk space, for that matter. I just forgot the tlx in two places and screwed up this page for about half a minute until I got it fixed.) &#8213; Mandruss   &#9742;  10:30, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit by user tool
Now that Flow development is (almost) dead, any chance WMF development will finally take a more professional attitude towards the Tool server and the tools (some of which are called by the standard Wikipedia interface) it hosts? --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes!!! I depend on Edits by user a lot. It has been broken, on and off, for weeks. When the tool is broken there are no instructions on who to report the problem to. Ottawahitech (talk) 01:21, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * https://tools.wmflabs.org shows maintainers, here at https://tools.wmflabs.org/#toollist-usersearch which says Scottywong and Σ. See however User talk:Scottywong, and I see you already posted to User talk:Σ. They are volunteer editors and not WMF employees. Calls of external tools, including those hosted at wmflabs, are added by editors at the English Wikipedia, for example at MediaWiki:Histlegend for the top of page histories, and at MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer (which uses Sp-contributions-footer) for the bottom of user contributions. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:45, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Whether Flow development is "(almost) dead" is disputable. Tool Labs is a pretty different department. If you have questions for the WMF you may want to bring them up on Meta where there is a dedicated place. --Malyacko (talk) 10:10, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Given the past responses I've gotten (and the disappearance of staff from a thread when I propose something concrete), WMF development is well aware of my criticisms of its practices. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 17:55, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit count is also broken
The Edit count tool is also broken right now: the error message says:'''This URI is managed by the xtools-ec tool, maintained by Cyberpower678 and Tools.xtools. Perhaps its files are on vacation, or the link you've followed doesn't actually lead somewhere useful?''' I assume this is supposed to be funny, only I don’t have a sense of humour when trying to update Missing Wikipedians when I am short of time, sigh… Ottawahitech (talk) 15:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't look at me. I don't make that error message, labs did.  In any case I restarted the services.—cyberpower <sub style="margin-left:-10.1ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Chat :Online 15:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Today I got a slightly different message: This URI is managed by the xtools tool, maintained by MusikAnimal, Cyberpower678, Tools.xtools-articleinfo, Elee, Technical 13, Lixxx235, Tools.xtools-ec, and Nakon.bPerhaps its files are on vacation... (wikilink is mine) Ottawahitech (talk) 16:05, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Weird things going on with the User:David Tombe account
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/David_Tombe today, which reads:
 * 06:27, 3 September 2015 User account David Tombe (talk | contribs | block) was created

which is odd, because the David Tombe account was created a long time ago, and that user departed from Wikipedia in 2011: see the deletion log of User talk:David Tombe. At the same time, according to the logs, that account does not appear to have made any edits, deleted or undeleted, at any time, past or present, which just doesn't make sense, as Tombe was a prolific contributor. This is really peculiar: is this a database glitch, or the result of some sort of special administrative procedure? -- The Anome (talk) 17:43, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I see also from the logs that:
 * 15:38, 11 August 2015 Maire (talk | contribs) renamed user David Tombe (0 edits) to Cinnamon90 (per request)
 * David Biddulph (talk) 17:50, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If you look at the deleted edits on the user page or talk page you can see what the renamed account is. -- GB fan 18:05, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking at it more, what probably happened is that in March 2011 when he left the project he was renamed to the new name. Then in April of 2011 some recreated the account.  That is the one that was recently renamed to Cinnamon90.  Today someone again recreated the account.  -- GB fan 19:28, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If you use pop-ups, you can see the contributions from the old account. Why was the usertalk page deleted? That is not normally allowed. DuncanHill (talk) 19:45, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You would have to talk to the deleting administrator about that, . -- GB fan 19:52, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, and the contruibutions by David Tombe seem to be credited to User:FDT = FDT contributions. DuncanHill (talk) 19:56, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The account was renamed at some point and when that happens the contributions are credited to the new username. -- GB fan 20:05, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * But the rename left his old signature pointing to the old name - see here for instance, and the original name has also been renamed to Cinammon90, and also recreated today. So - there appear to be at least 3 accounts with the same name at some stage or other. God help anyone trying to work out who contributed what! DuncanHill (talk) 20:12, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Renames do not change the contents of pages, except of course for moving userspace pages to the new names. Whenever a user is renamed, signatures left under the old username will always be unchanged unless someone manually (and disruptively) modifies them.  Nyttend (talk) 04:35, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually it is really easy to figure out who contributed what. What the original David Tombe account contributed, What the April 2011 David Tombe account contributed and What the September 2015 David Tombe contributed.  The only one that might be a little confusing is the first one where the signature points to the original account but it has 0 edits.  Then it takes just a little digging to see what the account is named now.  -- GB fan 15:22, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It's really easy 'once you have spent half an hour working out what happened. On renames, isn't a redirect normally left from the old userpage to the new one? DuncanHill (talk) 17:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the renamers sometimes suppress the creation of the redirects. I don't know why. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:45, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

We allow people to create new accounts with the same name as deleted old ones? Surely that's a mistake: it can lead to confusion, as it has done here, and could also possibly be used for mischief. -- The Anome (talk) 20:35, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Opera Repertory of the Salzburg Festival 2015
Help! The list should look like de:Opernbesetzungen der Salzburger Festspiele 2015 but it doesn't. I'm desperate. Please help. Thanks. --Meister und Margarita (talk) 14:16, 4 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I guess you want the background color in the wide cells at de:Opernbesetzungen der Salzburger Festspiele 2015. It's made with  where   is defined with   in de:MediaWiki:Common.css. We don't have that class here but I have added the background color directly in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opera_Repertory_of_the_Salzburg_Festival_2015&diff=679434896&oldid=679433732]. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:24, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. Great job. Just another small request: In the German versions the participants start right on top, in the English/American version the lists of participants are centered. I would very much prefer the German version. Are you able to fix this too? Thanks and regards --Meister und Margarita (talk) 15:27, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Done with  in the table rows.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opera_Repertory_of_the_Salzburg_Festival_2015&diff=679436944&oldid=679436300] See Help:Table for general table help. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:35, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * is an obsolete attribute;  is the corresponding CSS property. I'm rewriting Help:Table to use the proper CSS methods instead of the old HTML ones. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4  (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 15:50, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

page width bar chart?
I've just added a use of Template:Bar chart at Refugees of the Syrian Civil War and have made use of the field | bar_width    = 36 (the default is 30) so as to make the length of the third bar harmonise with the length of the number presented. One problem is that when page width is reduced (as may be the situation if people are reading from a small device) two word titles such as "United States" get split onto two lines. I was also wondering about a way of changing the width to page width and then to apply a minimum width.

Thanks.

GregKaye 14:29, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * For United States, United Kingdom and all other you can use nobr. -- Edgars2007  (talk/contribs) 18:17, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Script error: The module returned a value. It is supposed to return an export table.
It's back? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:26, 4 September 2015 (UTC).


 * Did you WP:PURGE the page? -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:15, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It was (and still is) this page. Let's try a purge though. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:00, 4 September 2015 (UTC).

Still can't make tags stay on page
Referring back to this, I still have to rush if I want to click on anything before it goes away. It is a Windows Vista and IE9 problem.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:56, 4 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Your link goes to Help desk. Did you mean Village pump (technical)/Archive 139? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:01, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * D'oh! Thanks for fixing it. I was informing someone on the Help desk I had suggested coming here. Looking back at my contributions, it appears I went to the archived page and somehow didn't get it copied and pasted.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:26, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Show the crossed W in Wikipedia logo
How do you specify the crossed W in the Linux Libertine font?

We're trying to use it in the header at 2015 main page redesign proposal/draft/Mrjulesd. The Transhumanist 21:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

... produces = 
 * -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:51, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * After the equals sign above, I see a little box with "E02F" in it. The Transhumanist 22:07, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This will be difficult to get to work since users have to install Linux Libertine in order for it to appear (for me, on a Mac, the glyph renders as "tofu" [a square]). The only way that you'll be able to ensure that the font can render is to serve it as a WebFont (and then we'll be dealing with various browser support for web fonts).--Jorm (talk) 22:11, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Me too, the code is right but the browser support is probably extremely poor so don't use it as a character. Only use it as part of an image produced with software that can actually display it. In case you don't know, characters are sent as numbers to the user's browser which then has to know how to render the character. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought Linux Libertine was already part of the WebFonts associated with the default (ULS) Universal Language Selector "package" so I assumed anybody using ULS would automatically "see it" (renders fine here btw). This isn't one of those things crippled by setting lang to en-gb or en-ca instead of just en is it? -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:18, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Apparently it's language-independent, because I have plain en set in prefs, and I also see "tofu". Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:34, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * When you click on the "gear" icon in the Languages section of the left hand Nav side-bar, under the Fonts tab -- is download fonts when needed selected? If not, I believe you're not rockin' any of the webfonts found in the ULS extension. I just assumed that enabled is default setting for everyone but its been so long since I've even opened it that I could be wrong about that. -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I doubt that would be enabled globally by default given the significant extra load it would put on the servers. Web fonts are not trivial downloads.--Jorm (talk) 22:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * My mistake then. Still, if one enables it even for testing purposes here, I'm pretty sure it should render for them too. The alternative would be to build an .svg file using characters within the Libertine font to spell W-i-k-i-p-e-d-i-A and substitute that for the ULS webfont approach. The downside then becomes the inability for some percentage of users to resize or zoom at the same ratios as the surrounding normal text does. -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:55, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Mine's not enabled, and I've never altered it; so the default is disabled. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:04, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That is correct per this MediWiki page for WebFonts under the ULS extension. -- George Orwell III (talk) 23:08, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor update
A few people have wondered why I don't spam this page more with notes about VisualEditor, so here's one for all of you:

James F. has started a discussion at WP:VPPR about offering VisualEditor to inexperienced editors. All new accounts already have access to both VisualEditor and the wikitext editor now, and this proposal would expand that (for example) to retroactively opt-in dormant accounts and inexperienced editors who were missed during the last couple of months (e.g., 75% of the editors who created an account during the week of the gradual deployment process when only 25% of new accounts were being opted in, etc.). There are some WP:PERF issues with having a quarter million people opted into any Beta Feature, and this one is on track to hit a million (mostly inactive) accounts around the end of the year. If you have opinions on the best way to handle these accounts, or the best way to define inexperienced editors or dormant accounts, then please join the conversation. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:57, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Anyone else having problems entering in edit summaries ? I can type anything else (this message for example), however, when I attempt to enter an edit summary I get no text in the Edit Summary window (I do see a flashing cursor). I'm running Chrome Version 45.0.2454.85 m on Win 7, using monobook skin, everything else seems to be working fine, except edit summaries   KoshVorlon  We are all Koshundefined  17:35, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Have exactly the same issue since today and also use C45.0.2454.85 m with W7. It has made me switch to VisualEditor for the day which is actually pretty good although it takes some getting used to.--Wolbo (talk) 22:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Since Chrome 45 was released only 2 days ago, might it be a browser bug specific to Windows 7 ? —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 07:53, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It might also be Chrome itself. I booted into Win 10 (at work) using Chrome 44 and edit summaries were no problem.  I'll try the same with IE, FireFox and Opera as well and see what happens.   KoshVorlon  We are all Koshundefined  16:32, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Just did some test, and it looks like it's a Chrome issue. Using Windows 7, I was able to use edit summaries with Firefox and IE, just not Chrome.   KoshVorlon  We are all Koshundefined  18:01, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I have this too. Supremely irritating. Chrome version and set-up same as Kosh's. --Dweller (talk) 09:51, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

By any chance does this happen only when you use the WikiEd interface? - 185.108.128.3 (talk) 10:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Speaking only for myself, I didn't know what that means. And having followed your wikilink, I still don't know what that means. --Dweller (talk) 10:48, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you mean does my edit screen look like this, the answer is yes. --Dweller (talk) 10:49, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I tried testing on Chrome 45/Windows 7 and could not reproduce the issue except when using the WikiEd interface. Disable "wikEd, a full-featured integrated text editor" in Special:Preferences and see if you are able to add edit summaries. - 185.108.128.10 (talk) 10:58, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That worked a treat. Thank you. --Dweller (talk) 11:09, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

BRIEF Followup - Seems Disabling "WikEd" in "Preferences/Gadget" works for me at the moment - entering text in the "Edit Summary" window now seems OK - Thank you for the suggestion - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:18, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) I actually don't use WikiEd at all. (Just checked again to make sure it wasn't turned on), it's off.  Seems to be a Chrome issue.   KoshVorlon  We are all Koshundefined  11:10, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Could you try removing  from your monobook.js and check again? If that does not work, could you clear your entire monobook.js and see if the issue persists? - 185.108.128.10 (talk) 11:21, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

| per this edit summary just done in Firefox, with me logged in :)   KoshVorlon  We are all Koshundefined  13:45, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Struck out. I just tried Chrome logged out and it works just fine. Our I.P user seems to have it right, however, the delta monobook.js grants me a sidebar that I've really grown accustomed to using.  I'll live with it I guess.  It seems to not work well with my current version of Chrome.   KoshVorlon  We are all Koshundefined  13:49, 4 September 2015 (UTC)


 * ping . Seems to be a WikiEd styling issue with Chrome 45. No input on forms like edit summaries and new section titles. Happens to me on OSX as well. - 185.108.128.10 (talk) 12:57, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, working on it. Cacycle (talk) 14:56, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

FWIW - YES - Same/similar problem - Sent Feedback to Google (see copy below) - hope this helps in some way - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 14:41, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

NEW: Also, If Interested, See "Google Help Forum" Here => https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/eXYKzUTK9yw;context-place=forum/chrome

PROBLEM - GOOGLE CHROME - SEPTEMBER 4, 2015

SENT GOOGLE CHROME FEEDBACK (see copy below):

Subject: Google Chrome: unable to enter "edit summary" in Wikipedia?

--- https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/186850?rd=1

--- FEEDBACK TO GOOGLE:

PLEASE HELP - PROBLEM: Google Chrome Version 45.0.2454.85 m (on two different WinXP

computers) => Unable to enter text in the "edit summary" box in Wikipedia? - Earlier

Google Chrome browser versions seemed all OK - Other browsers, including Firefox, are

also OK - Thank you for your help with this - Enjoy! :) Dennis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Drbogdan

Computer systems: Windows XP; Google Chrome (Dell desktop; HP Pavilion laptop)

Files attached: GoogleChrome-Wikipedia-UnableToEnterTextInEditSummaryBox-1.jpg

Related webpage: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Google_Chrome&action=edit


 * Dr Dennis Bogdan * Computer DataPro Consulting
 * drbogdan at comcast.net * drbogdan at yahoo.com
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Drbogdan
 * http://www.facebook.com/drbogdan
 * http://home.comcast.net/~drbogdan/publications.html


 * Google will try this with a basic setup. If the problem is a conflict between Chrome and User:Δ/monobook.js, they won't have that script in their user setup, so won't see anything wrong. If you mention User:Δ/monobook.js to them, they'll say that it's a problem in that script, nothing to do with them. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

is a collection of various deprecated scripts and the reason I asked you to remove it is because it contained an instance of an older version of WikiEd that is causing this issue on Chrome. - 185.108.128.8 (talk) 16:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

New problem
I now can't see edit summaries in page history, watchlist and my contribs. What a bleeding pain. --Dweller (talk) 11:11, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As a first step, could you try clearing your browser cache? - 185.108.128.10 (talk) 11:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Just restarted. That seemed to fix the bugger, thanks. --Dweller (talk) 11:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

wikEd disabled under Chrome 45.0
wikEd had to be disabled for the most recent Chrome version 45.0.2454.85 because of a browser bug. It was not not possible to type into empty wikEd input fields such as the edit summary or the find and replace fields. Cacycle (talk) 17:24, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * See the Google bug report: Chrome 528382 (Typing into empty fields is not possible). Cacycle (talk) 18:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

WikEd no longer works
I just had my computer updated to Windows 10. When I got the computer back, it was set to Internet Explorer as the browser, so I changed it to Google Chrome, which is what I had before. Now, even though I have selected WikEd in the Gadgets section of "Preferences", WikEd is not displayed at all. Do you have any suggestions? Corinne (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * wikEd disabled under Chrome 45.0 2 is a current thread on this issue.— Maile (talk) 15:18, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

A curious email...
Just recently, I received this curious email in my inbox (the one that I use for Wikipedia). This has happened once before. It was written in Arabic, said something about "MediaWiki message delivery", and was from wiki@wikimedia.org. The email address seems to have been responsible for an email confirmation scam in the past. I didn't open the email (I just deleted it), but I'm wondering if anyone else has received an email like this. -- Biblio worm  15:32, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Just a wild guess... Someone may have clicked on 'reset password' on the Arabic Wikipedia, while trying to (unsuccessfully of course) log in with your user name. Happens all the time.  15:45, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * But you must know the recipient's email address to reset the password; only I and a few other users know my email address, and none of them edit on the Arabic Wikipedia (that I know of, anyway). The email also didn't appear to be about password resets, but rather said something about "MediaWiki message delivery", as I mentioned above. -- Biblio worm  15:51, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Check your talk page on Arabic Wikipedia and other Arabic wikis. You may have received a talk page message and had an email notification as is default on many wikis. BethNaught (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I have received many mails from wikis where I'm not active, usually welcome mails or notifications that somebody edited my talk page. And anynone can enter your username at Special:PasswordReset without knowing your email address, and request a new password sent to whatever address is stored for the account. The old password continues to work and the new expires if it isn't used. If you have deleted the mail and don't know what it actually said then I don't think there is much point in trying to guess what it was about. Don't worry about it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:52, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * A lot of people got these messages. The e-mail message says that you have a message on your talk page at https://fa.wikivoyage.org/wiki/بحث_کاربر:Biblioworm (Farsi, not Arabic).  The message on your talk page (and 2,500+ other people who have ever visited the Farsi Wikivoyage while logged in) congratulates the community upon their successes and encourages you to improve articles.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:29, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Special:CentralAuth/Biblioworm shows that during 13 minutes on 20 October 2014 the account was created at 665 Wikimedia wikis. I guess some tool was used to visit all the wikis and cause automatic account creation. The numerous accounts are likely to produce some mails. Just ignore them. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I find these messages worth checking. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC).

Database dump question
Is there a way to get a list of editors who have edited any of the articles tagged with a certain WikiProject banner? If so, how would I go about getting said list? –Fredddie™ 00:01, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I responded at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject X. Harej (talk) 02:56, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Can be done with a SQL query. It wasn't very useful since articles tend to have lots of minor edits and vandalism, so you'll scoop up RC patrollers.  Never got the system to work.  You can try hitting me up again to take another stab if I ever get database access again.  — Dispenser 05:04, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * if it came with a number of edits, I would have trimmed down the list to remove people with, say, fewer than 10 edits. –Fredddie™ 11:43, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Freddie, do you really need something beyond what's listed at the bottom of WikiProject Directory/Description/WikiProject U.S. Roads? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:29, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, since USRD turns 10 this year, in our newsletter, we were thinking about listing everyone who had been significant contributors over the years as a way to say thanks. I started compiling a list on my own, but I know that I've certainly missed a few.  I figured it would be worth a shot to ask here. –Fredddie™ 04:23, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Replacing WP logo in my skin
Is there some Javascript or CSS trick for replacing the Wikipedia logo in the upper-left corner with some other file or text? I edit several WP-language sites, all of whose logos are the same large image and differ by a small and non-visually-separated word or two in the native language. I would like a more obvious reminder about what site I'm using (given I know I'm on *.wp), so just a giant "EN.WP" or "DE.WP" text or something would be ideal. DMacks (talk) 22:01, 4 September 2015 (UTC)


 * There may be better code but try this in :


 * 1) p-logo a { background-image:url(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/150px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png) !important;}
 * To get the url I started at File:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg, clicked one of the sizes below the main image and manually changed the size in the url to 150. Maybe something with text can be done for all wikis at once in meta:Special:MyPage/global.js or meta:Special:MyPage/global.css. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:37, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There's also this CSS script. By default, it replaces the current WP logo with the original Nupedia logo, but it can be modified to use other versions, and also allows for the addition of a custom logo/image (not sure about text additions, however). lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  06:52, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Userfy deleted history of an article without destroying the current version?
A user made what seems like a perfectly reasonable request on my talk page to userfy for him an article which had been deleted. If it was still deleted, I would just restore all the versions and move it to his userspace. Easy. The problem is that the title has been recreated (if only as a redirect). What's the right process here to comply with the request while still keeping the exisitng redirect and avoiding trashing any of the past history? -- RoySmith (talk) 22:22, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to undelete an article under a different title/namespace from the previous one? Otherwise, I'd delete the redirect, undelete the article, move it to userspace without leaving a redirect and then undelete the redirect. Does this work? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:32, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it is not, and the proposed process is relatively error-prone (because it's possible to undelete the redirect revisions by accident). A better way would be to move the redirect to a /Temp page, undelete the article, userfy it, then move the temp page back . All the steps involving page moves should be done without leaving a redirect behind. Graham 87 10:27, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:04, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Blue links that should be red
The page 2147483659 (number) has been deleted, but still shows as a blue link on Articles for deletion/2147483659 (number). Purging might help. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 01:35, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, purging fixes this. It happens when a page with a blue link has not been rendered since the linked page was deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyone can WP:PURGE a page, it doesn't need any rights, even for protected pages. Logged-out users merely get an extra confirmation step. -- Red rose64 (talk) 08:19, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia editor missing toolbar images
Would need some help, found today that Wikipedia editing toolbar is missing all images, Im using newest firefox, I see only Advanced Special characters Help, Cite and heading dropdown menu in toolbar, links are there but all images are missing. Already tried uninstalling FF, disabling FF addons and so on. Tested that it work ok with Internet explorer. Any help? Im using WIN10,FF 40.0.3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Typ932 (talk • contribs) 06:49, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Works fine for me with that configuration. Could you clear your monobook.js and then your browser cache and see if the issue persists? - 185.108.128.20 (talk) 09:22, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Tried, that doesnt help >Typ932 T&middot;C 09:35, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Got it work somehow, dont know how but its now working, weird -- >Typ932 T&middot;C 12:11, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Missing stats dates
I just left the following message at User talk:Henrik: Currently February 5 and September 3 are missing at http://stats.grok.se/. September 4 has run and February 5 had been present at the end of February although it seems to have disappeared.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:58, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Open call for Individual Engagement Grants
Greetings! The Individual Engagement Grants program is accepting proposals from August 31st to September 29th to fund new tools, community-building processes, and other experimental ideas that enhance the work of Wikimedia volunteers. Whether you need a small or large amount of funds (up to $30,000 USD), Individual Engagement Grants can support you and your team’s project development time in addition to project expenses such as materials, travel, and rental space.


 * Submit a grant request
 * Get help with your proposal in IdeaLabor an upcoming Hangout session
 * Learn from examples of completed Individual Engagement Grants

I JethroBT (WMF), 09:34, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Problem with media viewer in "mobile view" on mobile devices
See example in my sandbox: User:Mare44/sandbox ---Mare44 (talk) 15:27, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * You don't need to use a mobile device. I just tried it with Safari on Mac OS. Switch to 'mobile view' using the link at the bottom of the page and only the first two images work. In 'desktop view' they all work. Looking in the error console there’s the following error:

[Error] URIError: URI error decodeURIComponent (undefined, line 111) (anonymous function) fire (load.php, line 45) add (load.php, line 45) loadImageOverlay _matchRoute (anonymous function) each (load.php, line 5) _checkRoute proxy (load.php, line 6) emit (anonymous function) dispatch (load.php, line 65) handle (load.php, line 60)
 * -- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 15:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I've put in a bug report.-- JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 19:45, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

CharInsert question
Good day, I have a quick question, regardless of the fact it makes me look like a moron. I must have inadvertently clicked on something yesterday, and now when I pull up my editing screen, the handy-dandy characters menu below the edit screen (where you can click on {{ or  Onel 5969  {{sup|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>}} 18:36, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * {{Re|onel5969}} Could you tell me the OS, browser version and skin you're using? Do you have the same issue while logged out? - 185.108.128.17 (talk) 18:51, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * {{Re|onel5969}} Alright, figured it out. You need to revert this edit. - 185.108.128.17 (talk) 19:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

{{Re|SilkTork}} Since you had the same issue earlier, could you check if replacing "w.loader.load" with "mw.loader.load" in the last line of your vector.js and monobook.js will fix the issue? - 185.108.128.17 (talk) 19:11, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks {{u|185.108.128.17}} - That did the trick. Wonder why it took almost a month to cause a problem. Anyway, really appreciate the help and the time you took to figure it out. Perhaps someday I can return the favor.  Onel 5969  {{sup|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>}} 21:32, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear that. Syntax errors in skin.js sometimes messes with the loading of certain gadgets. - 185.108.128.13 (talk) 22:44, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Does API expose CategoryCollation value?
Does the API expose the value of $wgCategoryCollation in a query, I can't find it in the siteinfo data. Detail: in AWB I want to be able to determine using the API which language wikipedia wikis are using one of the uca- options i.e. use diacritics & accents in sortkeys. (From what I can see it seems like this value could be category-level, I am interested in the site value only.) Thanks Rjwilmsi  08:16, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know an API call but the actual setting for Wikimedia wikis is done in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Use the raw text link at top for parsing. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that does the trick. Rjwilmsi  18:02, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Template:Russian ruble displays huge in wikitables
(Pasted from .)

I just tried to use Template:Russian ruble in List of circulating currencies. Unlike in text (₽), it is displaying about 8x size, not character size, everywhere it appears. This seems to be an interaction with the wikitable code:

BIG PROBLEM HERE! Please me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 15:15, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a known issue (see for example this archived thread; I can't find it on though). If image markup with two consecutive pipe characters (e.g.  ) is used inside a table, it will display in its nominal size regardless of the specified display size. I'll try fixing the template. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4  (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 16:06, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Moving the alt parameter appears to fix it but Editor SiBr₄ may have better knowledge so I'll bow out.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 16:14, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Russian_ruble&diff=679756900&oldid=599138444 This] should fix it. I moved one pipe into the #if statement used for setting the link (using ), so the pipe is only added if link is set. <span title="User:SiBr₄">SiBr4 (<span title="User talk:SiBr₄">talk ) 16:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)